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You articulated it precisely. FF cameras have to be huge, to be able to manage reliability issues. The 5D's all the way upto Mark iv only has like 30 mins of recording time, and half or less of that with higher frame rates. And the 1Dx is HUGE, even compared to something like the S1H (though, to be fair, it has a hugh attached battery grip). I agree. People say full frame all the time, like camera sensors larger and smaller than it, are somehow greatly inferior. Which is not even remotely the case. Overheating during video seems to still be a huge issue with many ILCs, and that includes FF and APS-C cameras, that try and cram larger sensors into proportionally smaller bodies and also have lousy heat sinks. Panasonic has to make a precise effort to only improve everything that the GH5 and GH5s have, and use these cameras to attract the M43 camera audience of BMCC4k and ZCam. While it can never replace RAW (with anything except perhaps RAW), it can offer advantages that actual cinema cameras will never have like weather sealing, IBIS, the ability to be used for photography with ease, ease of use, extremely ergonomics design, great battery life and usable almost right out of the box etc. The FF depth of field is almost like a joke. I noticed that a lot of TV episodes shot on the 5D have such terrible focus issues, and because the DoF is so thin, its almost impossible to get it right at higher apertures, without superb autofocus. Also, for wildlife too, at higher apertures, opened wide, it would blur the background and perhaps parts of a subject's face too much. M43 is 1/4th the sensor size of FF (actually the proportion is 1/3.6th for non MARs Sensors and the GH5s sensor is even larger). Therefore Full Frame will always offer better exposure latitude, better low light and better dynamic range. Though the XT3/XT4 (and even Nikon APS-C offerings such as the D700 and other after that), have shown, that the returns are diminishing and marginal, as the sensor and pixel size keeps increasing. Also, 13-14 sops for video as SNR of 1 seems possible and more in the ball park of 12 usable stops at SNR of 2 seems reasonable. So, M43 cameras can be reasonably close to FF in quality, at a much greater price advantage. And way greater reliability.

At 1:21:30 onwards, without explicitly saying it, Sean Baker implies that things are in the offing. Meaning the GH5 successor, and that users should just be a little more patient. I have to agree with you. M43 could easily get a new video sensor (or 2), that have atleast another 0.5 to 1 stop more dynamic range than what is already on the GH5 and GH5s, along with much higher frame rates. Panasonic should just hurry up with that. They could release the camera at the end of the year, but they should atleast start giving us hints and posting rumors on M43rumors.com. Sometimes curiously does kill the cat 😉

Any idea about the bitrates?

Like I mentioned above. A face off between the Sony and the Canons. For overheating.

Very likely that the Sony is (incorrectly?) being sounded for overheating by the direct sunlight, mistaking it for sensor overheating (since the body records the temperature, it mistakes dissipation from the sensor to direct heating of the body). That's an interesting little circus trick that the Sony has.

The Sony and Canons need a serious face off. And the S1H to the mix, for the purpose of getting the ballpark right.

That's primarily an issue with the mount size (circumpherence) to sensor size (diagonal). There isn't much wiggle room. That's a design flaw. They started with APS-C and then Full Frame happened in the design stage. Or they wanted to make it the chihuahua of APS-C/FF ILCs.

Without external recorders and other ideas for dissipating heat. No lenses which aren't black either. White lenses will obviously absorb less heat.

I would agree. Reviewers need to test all cameras with exact temperatures and time durations mentioned. Between the S1H, A7siii, R5 and R6. From 21 to 36°C, and in the shade and in direct sunlight. Though in direct sunlight the camera body absorbs a lot more light, due to urs colour. So that should be tye ultimate pressure test.

Canon had stated 30 mins in most cases at 23°C. Sony states 1 hour or until the battery drains at 25°. I am guessing neither is superb., but Sony's claims are conservative compared to the actual performance. I've had a camera shut down in direct sunlight once (though that was at 40-46°C). Everyone should keep mentioning the temperature, in the shade and in the sun, indoors or outdoors. Camera makers can't be forgiven for making cameras that only work in the air conditioner temperature ranges (16-25°C). That's a camera for little children, not a professional work horses.

It does have. At ISO640 and ISO16000. And the ISO performance has been stated to be better by 1 stop from all mid to high ISOs.

Btw, I think he also said the A7siii has about 1.5 more stops of dynamic range than the R5(?). But I am guessing that was tested with the Clog 1. Clog 3 should have probably another 1.5 stops more of dynamic range. So they should be similar with that update.

It has 10% crop in quite a few modes. Which isn't a big deal TBO

Excellent first review. He noticed that it does indeed have 15.1 stops at 1 SNR and about 13 stops at 2 SNR (Signal to Noise Ratio). Also his tests seem more convincing that C5D. He also tested the rolling shutter and it seems way lesser than the A7iii. I noticed that there doesn't appear to be any DCI 4k modes and everything is QHD only. Not that it's terrible or anything, but just it out there. Sony had advertised the Ambient Shooting Temperature as 25° where it records at 4k 24p 10-bit for 1 hour or until the battery runs out. Sony, unlike Canon have been generous since almost no reviewer said it overheated and wasn't usable after that. One said it overheated but after an hour or so. And then he got another take after that. And he didn't have to use a blower or ice or fridge. He also noticed that the camera seems to have Dual ISO at ISO640 and .... .... ... ISO16000. Which is INSANE. Which means that at super high ISO upto 51200, it should clean as a whistle. I am actually looking forward to his Dynamic Range Tests. Which seem very interesting.

Premieres in about 30 mins

Maybe, as long as it doesn't barbeque the memory cards, like the competition 😉

I read the article in German. He's just compiled the rumors it appears. And I am not sure what publication it appears for, either. Plus its dated the 27th of July, so not really a press release, even remotely. I am not sure the Ninja can do over 12bit RAW. Or ProRes either. I am also guessing the missing Cinetone may be due to the fact that the author's guesses aren't as accurate.

Maybe not right now. ProRes RAW seems limited to 12-bit, but maybe they move to 14-bit and 16-bit. Btw this is not an official press release. Its some magazine piece. So not sure this is 100% correct.

Whoa, sounds insane.

After Panasonic (Mark Frazer and the other guy), Spny seems to be the 9ther manufacturer to make fun of Canon's overheating circus. "4K with 120p One focus of the camera is video recording. Unlike Canon with the EOS R5, Sony does not use 8K for video, but continues to use 4K, which is said to achieve the best results so far with an alpha camera. The sensor’s 12 MP resolution enables a full-pixel readout without pixel binning and without crop up to 4K / 60p. In this setting, the recording limit should be one hour without overheating – the EOS R5 only manages 30 minutes at 4K / 60p. The video recording of the Alpha 7S III in 4K / 120p mode is limited to this length – by the way, a slight crop is used (1.1x).SonyAlphaRumors." Visit Sonyalpharumors.com

Ok. That would be interesting. Maybe a comparison with internal and over wireless.

But that may also lower the quality and but depth of the audio(?). Plus RF interferences, transmission drops and other issues. Since the recorder is a good quality backup and the one transmitted is more of a reference sound.

I know get it.

Please don't keep saying that. It seems almost articulated to suggest that the non 8k or non HQ modes have no issues with heat management. Which is patently false. The camera heats up, when switched on, regardless of whether you shoot 8k, 4k or HQ, or just shoot photos or don't even shoot anything on it. That's also what Gerald Undone corroborates. Claiming it to be untrue or saying it can be fixed by firmware, or hoping for a miracle that Canon installs a micro aircon inside the camera is just ludicrous. The majority of the people here are or have been Panasonic and M43 users. But when Panasonic created that VLogging G100, it was called out, for the absolute rubbish that it is. Except for the audio, which they've gotten from Nokia, it doesn't have much else going for it. To say that camera is going to become perfect for VLogging with a Firmware update is beyond ignorant. You reaction means you're way more devastated than the entire Canon design team, and many people whose heads are going to be rolling soon. There are no perfect cameras. And the A7siii is also releasing tomorrow. So you have both the choice of an apparently good video shooter releasing tomorrow, and the worldly wisdom of knowing that that too, like every camera before it, won't be perfect.

The Behiri video on C5D said that he only switched on the camera with a monitor attached. And that caused severe overheating. Which means that merely switching on the camera causes it to start heating up. Which is completely contrary to random claims that it can shoot Regular 4k at 24p unlimited or some other BS. As long as the camera is on, it is overheating.