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Any info on payload capacity and price?

Wait foe the Zoom F6. It should tick all the boxes, and some more.

So the A7Siii be a 15MP sensor? Will it be 14bit or 16-bit (not that anyone will use it for photos). More importantly, will it have 10-bit video, in 420 or 422 format, and will it be internal or external? Any information in other video features?

I am sure they will come up with another methodology in another few months or years. The problem is not even a new methodology. It is that the error rate is so high or so vast. To be fair to them, some greater expert than them, who was once with the BBC, has rated the GH5s for 14.6 or 14.7 stops of dynamic range. My reference to those figures was not to suggest that you are a certified idiot, contradicting yourself. I did glance through your list, and I thought you did put quite a bit of effort into compiling it. I merely mentioned it, to say that the very edifice of the list is untenable, which is proven by the fact that they took down those figures (and the theory of discrepancy by downressing 4k to 1080p on the A7s, creating a vast anomaly in results, among 9ther theories of theirs), and the fact that the discrepancies were enormous. I do apologise if it sounded otherwise. You never conducted those tests. You just documented it or compiled it into a list. Also, don't bother researching or compiling anything from their figures, because I believe it's an exercise in futility. I am sure someone is extremely accurate or acceptably inaccurate, with dynamic range figures. It's just that that person has not been found yet or hasn't become famous enough yet.

Exactly. And many others in the Sensor Market have almost stopped trying. They have made hardly any improvements in the consumer sensor market. Only the Alexas and REDs and very high end cameras seem to have improving feature sets and quality. But those sensors aren't really made for mass market. I also suspect that if Samsung wasn't the No.1 in the smartphone market for the longest, it's own sensor division would have closed down. It missed out buying Toshiba (though apparently Japanese companies usually prefer being bought by other Japanese companies, mostly because they cannot accept work cultures from other countries), otherwise it would have improved way more in its sensor roadmap. Curiously too many people in the technology industry don't disclose reasons for not venturing towards particular technologies. Like what is the multi millions that TowerJazz is collaborating with Panaspnic on, when Panasonic is clearly sourcing almost every ILC sensor from Sony. I also suspect that the lack of PDAF on Panasonic has to do with patents and also perhaps licensing fee. Otherwise it wont be wasting so much of its resource on DFD. I also have a idea how DFD can improve substantially, but I don't want to share it with Panasonic for free ?. Especially after the terrible after sales nightmare I had with one of their cameras.

Sony is in a strange situation. It has sole monopoly over the entire Sony sensor catalogue, which frankly is the only sensor catalogue that matters, right now, and they're grossly abusing this monopoly. And they're trying to compete against anyone and everyone. With this sensor, it is now attempting to compete with the Medium Format cameras, especially the new Fuji 100MP. The good news, is that Sony has so many distinct lines, that it had to ensure no single camera system is handicapped in sales, because some other line impinges upon it, with regard to its feature set. It could have easily included 10-bit internal and way better video features, but that would eat into its higher end cameras and also the A7S series. I am guessing the A7S series will get 10-bit, because it won't be as good for photos. That is also one of the reasons why Sony's smartphones have such mediocre or bad video, for the longest, despite the 10-bit promised video.

I am guessing there may be 2-3 explanations to this. 1. Nikon and Atomos have not arrived as the payment % share of the ProRes codec to be paid, and nobody wants to budge a milimetre. 2. RED, the infamous rogue that files cases against everyone under the guise of protecting its imaginary patents on everything and everyone may be looking to sue one of these parties. So, there appear to be delays. 3. Both Nikon and Atomos overstated the capabilities of the RAW and that the pipeline probably doesn't support such high bitrates.

They keep contradicting their own ratings. I thought it was only the A7s or A7sii, but as some guy in their comments section pointed out, many other cameras have random and erratic ratings. We even had a discussion here somewhere and someone curiously compiled a long list of cameras which he claimed were consistent, which it probably wasn't, since I just did a random Google search with cinema5d dynamic range chats and there were all sorts of contradictory results. Plus, I realized later, that while some of their charts were on other sites (like NFS), they didn't seem to have those charts or writeups. It was very curious.

Actually I don't take Cinema5d's dynamic range tests very seriously, tbo. Hopefully someone who doesn't give the C300 15 stops (or more) or the GH5 10 stops, does a more balanced test.

And curiously he claims the Vlog adds nothing more to the dynamic range except perhaps malleability.

I actually doubt the A7Siii will have RAW external, but will definitely have 10-bit internal which will probably be the most robust codec around, barring none. The 8-bit on the A Series is already pretty amazing. Also, I am guessing that the A7Siii will also have even better low light, higher speed 1080p (240fps?) and 4k (60p), as well as a higher megapixel count, much battery battery life and improved IBIS, and the dynamic range will be even better, probably adding another stop for video and almost 15 stops for photos, and maybe at 16-bit RAW (photo). And for autofocus, it will be second to none. Also, I predict that the price will be in the $3000 (or below) price range. Sony with the A7iii has shown that it wants to capture Canon and everyone else market share (the Panasonic's for video), by aggressive pricing, pushing down the prices for full frame across the entire spectrum. I also expect the S1 to see a price correction immediately after the Announcement of the A7Siii, by about $500 or so.

More. This is like someone taking a plate away, after offering a tiny little bite.

I hope RED are also brought down for Patent abuses, by users of other cameras. They've become the bullies who like Apple can file a suit against anyone and everyone who cannot waste millions (or hundreds of millions) in Attorney fees in the US.

I got this from the Newsshooter.com site, though they do not say where they got this information from, and I was unable to find it on the Sigma site, or anywhere else. https://www.newsshooter.com/2019/07/11/sigma-fp-a-pocketable-full-frame-cine-stills-hybrid/ "Sigma is quoting 12.5 stops of dynamic range for the fp when it is recording in CinemaDNG." If this is the case, I am wondering what sensor they are using.

Or more likely, Firmwares are Common Across systems, like how you found that the GX85 had Cinelike profiles hidden within the menu (which wad probably common for the G85). The S1, S1R and S1H probably have similar menus, and the additional functionality and other fee regarding the same, may be a hidden RAW within the S1H somewhere. Panasonic is waiting to pounce on Sony this time. ?

It's Official. The S1 has more dynamic range than the EVA1. And it handles highlights better than anything out there. One could probably shoot someone dancing on the sun, and we would be able to see it.

Just when 48MPs have started becoming the norm in the best mid rangers, the 64MP sensor wars seems to be gatecrashing the 48MP party. It looks more promising and I am hoping there is some truth to the promised 16.5 stops of dynamic range in HDR (hope it's close and 10-bit HEIF or something). Since the 48MP sensors (in 12MP mode) seem to have a lot more detail than regular 12MP sensors, I am hoping the 16MP mode on the 64MP sensors actually has a lot of detail for a smartphone sensor (apart front the dynamic range). We should know soon, since this already seems to be a working prototype (waiting for mass production). https://mobile.twitter.com/MadhavSheth1/status/1143409226426900480?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-30533495583623248758.ampproject.net%2F1906282130140%2Fframe.html

I hope you're right. I like the S1, but it's too large for me, and too overpriced (the zooms more than anything else). It's got some superb dynamic range though, and from the videos with the VLog, it does seem to be hitting it outside the park. I hope the GH6 gets more dynamic range. I love the size of it, and the feature set would be perfect for me with just a few tweaks for video. If they could squeeze an ND in there somewhere, it would be great. Once the GH6 is announced, M43 users would be certain that Panasonic isn't abandoning the format. The Panasonic G95 / G90 and 10-25mm f1.7 zoom aren't really enough for convincing customers otherwise.

And a comparison with the Sigma f1.4 M43 trio.

The s1 seems better than the A7iii in certain shots. It's slightly slower to acquire focus on the face, but faster to transition to the background. Plus the A7iii transition is not smooth, maybe its oriented more for stills. Also the A7iii ead struggling a little when the guy was far and face was tiny in the frame. I hope Panasonic implement the algorithms on the GH5 and GH5s.

I hope the GH6 has similar video dynamic range to the S1, and usable ISO of atleast 12800.

Google has VP9 with some tall claims on quality. I am not sure why that hasn't by default, found adopters, considering it's free and they YouTube adopts it too. H.265 seems to have contributed to the financial failure of the NX1 project IMO. Hopefully h.264 finds a good replacement, and soon.

Nobody seems to be debating this, but I suspect the h.265 algorithms have some issues with detail and efficiently and processor handling. It was introduced even before the Samsung NX1 and the adoption hasn't really been as widespread as it should have. Edit: I read this immediately after posting this. Apparently the adoption not being widespread is due to Patent issues and the greed for making more money and the various levels of users. They should just make it free, instead of trying to kill other codecs and extort money from adopters. https://www.een.com/h-265/

Aaah ok, thanks. That's reassuring. For a moment I thought Panasonic was going the Canon way ?

Ok, interesting. Curiously the 25p and 30p are at 150mbps, and yet, the 24p is limited to 100mbps (all at h.264). Not sure what Panasonic is upto, but this is not terribly inspiring, as a company policy. https://www.panasonicff.com/panasonic-lumix-s1-s1r-firmware-version-1-1-announced-improves-image-stabilization-and-af-performance/