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Just when 48MPs have started becoming the norm in the best mid rangers, the 64MP sensor wars seems to be gatecrashing the 48MP party. It looks more promising and I am hoping there is some truth to the promised 16.5 stops of dynamic range in HDR (hope it's close and 10-bit HEIF or something). Since the 48MP sensors (in 12MP mode) seem to have a lot more detail than regular 12MP sensors, I am hoping the 16MP mode on the 64MP sensors actually has a lot of detail for a smartphone sensor (apart front the dynamic range). We should know soon, since this already seems to be a working prototype (waiting for mass production). https://mobile.twitter.com/MadhavSheth1/status/1143409226426900480?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-30533495583623248758.ampproject.net%2F1906282130140%2Fframe.html

I hope you're right. I like the S1, but it's too large for me, and too overpriced (the zooms more than anything else). It's got some superb dynamic range though, and from the videos with the VLog, it does seem to be hitting it outside the park. I hope the GH6 gets more dynamic range. I love the size of it, and the feature set would be perfect for me with just a few tweaks for video. If they could squeeze an ND in there somewhere, it would be great. Once the GH6 is announced, M43 users would be certain that Panasonic isn't abandoning the format. The Panasonic G95 / G90 and 10-25mm f1.7 zoom aren't really enough for convincing customers otherwise.

And a comparison with the Sigma f1.4 M43 trio.

The s1 seems better than the A7iii in certain shots. It's slightly slower to acquire focus on the face, but faster to transition to the background. Plus the A7iii transition is not smooth, maybe its oriented more for stills. Also the A7iii ead struggling a little when the guy was far and face was tiny in the frame. I hope Panasonic implement the algorithms on the GH5 and GH5s.

I hope the GH6 has similar video dynamic range to the S1, and usable ISO of atleast 12800.

Google has VP9 with some tall claims on quality. I am not sure why that hasn't by default, found adopters, considering it's free and they YouTube adopts it too. H.265 seems to have contributed to the financial failure of the NX1 project IMO. Hopefully h.264 finds a good replacement, and soon.

Nobody seems to be debating this, but I suspect the h.265 algorithms have some issues with detail and efficiently and processor handling. It was introduced even before the Samsung NX1 and the adoption hasn't really been as widespread as it should have. Edit: I read this immediately after posting this. Apparently the adoption not being widespread is due to Patent issues and the greed for making more money and the various levels of users. They should just make it free, instead of trying to kill other codecs and extort money from adopters. https://www.een.com/h-265/

Aaah ok, thanks. That's reassuring. For a moment I thought Panasonic was going the Canon way ?

Ok, interesting. Curiously the 25p and 30p are at 150mbps, and yet, the 24p is limited to 100mbps (all at h.264). Not sure what Panasonic is upto, but this is not terribly inspiring, as a company policy. https://www.panasonicff.com/panasonic-lumix-s1-s1r-firmware-version-1-1-announced-improves-image-stabilization-and-af-performance/

The grade and shooting was superb. The guy on YouTube mentions that the 150mbps is in h.264 (and not h.265). Can somebody else confirm this?

Terribly noisy, very contradty, crushed blacks and the video resolution looks like 720p or something. Maybe a bad job shooting it and then working on it in post. I hope they take it down. Not good publicity with the best video FF camera around.

My Wasabi batteries got super puffy, either due to heat (the temperature is over 45 degrees here, during the summers), or due to over charging (not sure because only battery charges at a time, and they didn't get puffy until many days after being charged). They could be put into the camera, because they wouldn't fit anymore.

The Sony A7siii just lost 300 customers (even before being announced). ???

10-bit wouldn't be so bad, even if it were cropped 3x. Though, suddenly it wouldn't have the MF (video) look anymore. Also, @androidlad is there a possibility for 4k RAW video, like it is being rumoured, lately? You're confusing crop with pixel and sensor size. FF is almost 4 times the size of M43. And the crop is approximately 2 times.

I guess Fuji could have improved RS by having a (massive) crop for the 4k (8.3-8.9MP necessary for 4k or DCI 4k) amounting a little over 3x Crop on the 100MP Medium Format sensor. Which would get it to an APS-C Frame size (?) The article below has a video shot on a much larger camera (Hasselblad H6D-100c), which probably has rolling shutter even in a still frame. The video the NFS article mentions, has rolling shutter, which is MASSIVE, and it shows in a frame which hardly even has movement. https://nofilmschool.com/indie-imax-medium-format-video-hasselblads-h6d-100c To be fair to Fuji, it probably has less rolling shutter than most MF cameras around (this is for the Hasselblad 1XD "With a sensor readout speed of 300ms, you will notice a strong rolling shutter effect with quickly moving objects" this is from https://fstoppers.com/originals/hands-hasselblad-x1d-50cs-new-firmware-adds-electronic-shutter-and-multiple-193832). It may even has The Least rolling shutter on any MF camera. In the end, it probably means that if you want a shoot something on a sensor much larger than full frame (1.7 times to be exact), and if that's the aesthetic or look you're after (along with 10-bit video right now, and maybe RAW with a firmware later), and you also want absolutely stellar photos, in a single package at 10k, you probably won't get it anywhere else. Ass IBIS and you probably get something almost no camera on the market can offer right now, or for a while to come.

Thanks for the reply Jordon. So, it doesn't have any other mode, for shooting 4k and other video resolutions, I am guessing? Also, what exactly were Fuji saying wrt to the mode or method of controlling rolling shutter? Any idea of the rolling shutter on other MF Sensors/Cameras?

Is the rolling shutter (RS) worse than other MF cameras and much worse than the 50MP cameras around? Is there a rating for the RS somewhere? That videos doesn't seem to show much. Or atleast I could make out much from watching it. Maybe it needs actually clinical testing. I clearly remember reading that the Fuji sensor was specialised for controlling rolling shutter. Maybe we wait for early buyers or testers with the final firmware version (market ready version).

Hi Jordon, since you guys have the camera, I thought I should ask you. Someone in another thread (or this one?) was saying the rolling shutter is terrible (for video?) on the Fuji. But I vaguely remember that Fuji has a quick readout mode or feature built into the sensor, whose sole purpose is to control rolling shutter. Could you comment on the rolling shutter, from your use with with camera? Thanks

Nice pics @Andrew Reid and @webrunner5 These new Quadbayer/ Tetracell sensors not only have good HDR, but they also are much sharper than other 12MP smartphone sensor cameras. I guess by the time the 64MP (/16MP) and 100MP (25MP) smartphone sensors make it to smartphones, the amount of detail and the improvement in HDR dynamic range will truly be impressive (especially if its anywhere close to the promised 100dB or 16.5 stops).

While a lot of very capable camera companies apart from the Major Players are now entering the affordable cinema camera market, it's always nice to have more players, more choice of cameras and more options for sensors, codecs etc. This one seems interesting, but right now the codecs are very heavy for a budget cinema camera with no compressed RAW option. Also, these will release some time next year, so the wait could be long (new entrants have delays, more often I guess). Hopefully they will have some great sensor options (in addition to the ones they already have) and superb codecs, by the time these hit the market. Ah yes, and great prices. https://www.newsshooter.com/2019/06/19/octopus-camera-open-platform-with-swappable-sensors/

What crap. Like seriously. I won't be surprised if they're using an older generations 50MP sensor to maximise profits. They're like Nokia, before it went down. They'll probably take DJI along too, if it doesn't start throwing out the Management Yetis.

Both EIS and IBIS have their pluses and minuses. EIS has issues with low light, especially with smaller and lower megapixel sensors, and I am also guessing it has issues with exposure consistency (I am guessing would have to be checked more finely). Also curiously while I remember EIS sensor being advertised as compensating for 3 axis only, I think they canprobably compensate/correct for all 5 axis. I am not sure it can be useful for photos, as much as video though. For photos OIS and IBIS seem way better (I doubt whether photos could replace OIS and IBIS with EIS).

I am hoping the DJI association (ownership actually), has put pressure on the Management of Hasselblad, and ensured that more features have been added and that the price seems less shocking than before. I guess Pantax and Fuji showed that medium format can be better priced, and the Nikon 850 that the difference between the two formats should be greater than it is right now. I am also hoping that DJI has trickled down some of its Zenmuse video features into the new camera. I doubt though, that, it will have IBIS. Another day or less to go. Hopefully Fuji hasn't already sent them to the cleaners.

13.3 Stops is pretty respectable for a Global Shutter Sensor. I am guessing Sony will have some interesting HDR tricks to ensure both photo and video have multiple frames for improving video and image quality.

The GY-LSX2 and GY-LSX1 seemed like the forerunners to the GY-LS300, with windowed higher frame rates removed and the mount options limited to just M43 (plus external recording options limited for 4k 422). Quite likely that they are sticking with the same roadmap now, concentrating on adding more lens options, along with high speed and ProRes. Also, V60/V90 SD Cards should be able to handle more flavours of 10-bit codecs, higher frame rates and they have an SSD options for some of their camcorder(s), so maybe they have that too. Basically they are trying to get the GY-LS300 on steroids, and what's holding them back is the knowledge of what Sensor and Mount they think most Filmmakers (who buy their own equipment) want, as well as perhaps fitting in things like IBIS if absolutely necessary. There seem quite a few capable Super35 and FF sensorsavailable including the one on the Zenmuse X7 which has almost 14 Stops, does 6k RAW and a few other tricks up its sleeve (the super35mm sensor should be easily converted by the M43 mount too except, perhaps if they need IBIS).