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I am unable to understand what you're attempting to articulate. You posted some random URLs to videos and sites. If you aren't familiar or comfortable with English, post in whatever language helps. I will try and get a Google translate translation done.

Yet, curiously, you seem to have a new fake ID. Who is this again?

I read the whole specs sheet and various reviews a few times and came to the following conclusions (please feel to correct me if I am wrong): 1. OIS helps push another few stops of stabilization that helps way more in correcting hand shake than anything else. 2. All phones with OIS have some serious issues with HDR which they circumvent by doing something similar to correcting PDAF gaps and noise as well as blurring detail. 3. One can create superb HDR by image stacking, but one has lesser time in the case of phone without OIS, and plus they have far greater limitations on variable shutter speeds for stacking (they can't go too slow). 4. While the image from the Nokia 9 looks superb for a smartphone, I suspect that it may have lesser dynamic range that a Pixel 3. The Nokia 9 may have more dynamic range in RAW especially if the image fusion creates a RAW photo. The Pixel 3 may have much lesser actual detail and a lot more digital sharpening though. I also think the 2.9 times more light, that the Nokia 9 presentation was mentioning, may be a little exaggerated. The night photos were actually blowing out the highlights a little. I suspect it may have to do with faster shutter speeds due to the lack of OIS. I am wondering whether there were any limitations of the Snapdragon 845 and also what the image sensors that are used in the Nokia 9. Curiously Nokia claims that it's only making a limited number of these and will not produce more than the ones it has altered predetermined tor the production run (maybe it gets better with the Snapdragon 855). I am looking for 9 camera smartphones with 3 different focal lengths, 3 b&w sensors and 3 DoF sensors. @DBounce the Nokia 9 is actually path-breaking in many ways.

The smaller screen when its closed, is a good way to save battery. And an unreasonably thin Folding phone with the fold left on the outside makes the device a lot more vulnerable to scratches and damage. Unless the special protective case you mentioned is thin enough to be attached to the phone and not interfere with the folding mechanism or screen quality. 7.3 inches or so. I agree it could have been more like 8 inches instead. But the Huawei isn't like 2 inches larger or something. The Huawei X costs a lot more too. And to be honest, I doubt either of them will be a production powerhouse for photo and video editing (unless either carries the nre Snapdragon laptop aimed SoC).

That post focus ability is amazing, especially considering that it has 1200 planes of depth (or whatever the term for it is). I think you may be referring to the JPEG capture. I remember hearing or reading somewhere that the JPEG one is much faster. It would be interesting though, if like you suggest, the RAW writing is happening in the background where the phone is ready to take the next shot.

"... The Nokia 9 PureView just offers a single focal length. In my tests, it took around 10 seconds or so to process a picture once it was shot, and then another few seconds to fully load the finished result in full resolution in the photos app. Now, Nokia says that those features will be off by default, and that regular JPEGs should shoot faster. But if you’re someone who’s buying the Nokia 9 PureView, odds are you’re probably interested in taking full advantage of all those cameras." https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2019/2/24/18234962/nokia-9-pureview-cameras-5-features-specs-multiple-price-release-date-photos-hands-on-mwc-2019 Which which means nothing even remotely quick in terms of Photography. Only something that has to be shoot very slow. No fast moving objects and no sports or reasonably fast moving wildlife Photography. Not having an OIS is a big deal. It could have easily improved low light photo quality, even handheld ones. But I am guessing they couldn't find a way to do sensor fusion with 5 sensors and OIS. Unless they implemented a single OIS panel for all 5 sensors (though it would be a battery guzzler and quite large). I saw the sample photos from the Nokia 9 and they are superb, especially considering that they are from a Smartphone. I can imagine a 9-Camera version of this, with 3 focal lengths (each with a coloured, b&w and ToF/Depth sensor). And with much faster processing (DRAM sensors, 12Gb RAM and lot more ISP?). That could be the next generation of this. I am looking forward to DXO labs testing this. The depth of field seems to be the best part, apart from native RAW dynamic range (rated at 12.4 stops).

Samsung's concept IMHO seems to be the best implemented, since it bends inwards reducing any likely damages to the screen, and rhenoutaide screen is small, warranting lesser power. The only downside is that the front camera have ruined the symmetry. Other company implementations don't seem ready for primetime yet. I wish Samsung would put that new Snapdragon processor for tablets and laptops on it with some amazing RAM for actual photo and video editing.

This is about the 10-bit video. For some reason Sony isn't able to advertise enough features of its smartphones and also the pricing, advertisement and refinement seem little off. Like if it had like 100mbps, this could have been a monster. https://www.sonymobile.com/in/legal/testresults/xperia-xz2/#gref The S10 video looks promising, but how good it is, is something we'll have to wait for. Btw I am noticing that Samsung is delaying and underplaying specs and features on the S10 lineup, including sensor and other specs. Which is a little suspicious. Either they're looking to make things superb video firmware or everything is not as stellar as it should be.

That question can only be answered after the HDR10+ on the S10 series is put to the test, by reviewers (the final firmware should he available after the launch, if not right now). I am also curious to know the bitrate on the S10 and whether Apps like Cinema4k and Filmic Pro have access to the full API on the Samsung. Actually the camera record in/for HDR10+ too. I clearly remember seeing it in the launch video. From Samsung's Own Official Site: https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-raises-the-bar-with-galaxy-s10-more-screen-cameras-and-choices "Both front and rear cameras can shoot in up to UHD quality, and in an industry first, the rear camera gives you the flexibility to record in HDR10+6." The Sony Xperia XZ3 was apparently the first smartphone to record 10-bit HDR video. I am guessing it was 4-2-0 and very low bitrate.

Most likely because the Full VLog (non L version) will be making it to the GH Series too. Also, the full VLog will add almost the full sensor dynamic range (which should be closer to 14 stops and over 13 stops in the least). And with the hight bitrate external External VLog update, one may actually be able to use most of this dynamic range in post work, almost like highly compressed RAW. I also suspect that the absence of PDAF may be glaringly obvious in video, but for photos it won't be as bad. If the new engine has improved, then the new autofocus may actually be very good (not necessarily high speed sports photography good, but even better than the GH5).

I would start believing real dynamic range figures once DXOlabs get their hands on the S1 series. Many othe sites have infamous figures, both dubious as well as uninspiring. It's not a BSI sensor. That was clearly listed at a few places including the Dpreview.com comparison with other 24MP mirrorless full frame cameras. Apparently the new micro lens arrangement would have an issues with a BSI sensor (light fall off due to angle of incidence, and introducing all kinds of colour and other noise). Also the improvement in low light between FSI and BSI could apparently, be easily negated by the new micro lens architecture (along with sensor design and some great processing). Which also explains why Panasonic is completely averse to PDAF because they don't want to substitute missing portions of the image and improve parts of the image by heavy processing (I personally don't agree with their viewpoint). Not according to the kind folks at Cinema5d.com. According to them the difference in more in the ballpark of 1 stop (or about 0.8 stops on the GH5s, being 9.9 stops for HLG and 10.7 stops for VLog-L).

My favourite dynamic range measuring site(?), claims that it has 12.2 Stops of Dynamic Range in HLG. You could probably get another 0.7-1 Stop with the VLog (non L). As well a perfectly usable ISO of upto 30000. Which is huge for both. Autofocus is as consistently terrible as always. But I guess you can't be superb in 3 fields. IBIS is also very impressive apparently. https://***URL not allowed***/panasonic-lumix-s1-review/ I wish it was a little smaller and $2000. That way 2 of these wouldn't pinch so much.

I am very curious how the 10-bit 4-2-0 vs 8-bit 8-2-0, both at the same bitrate (XT3 vs XT30).

The Oscar's should probably be banned Altogether. Apart from Obscenity (both language and visuals), crude political slugfests, racism, sexism, questionable selections and obscene innuendos the Oscar's have been getting more and more crude and sick every year. #BanTheOscars

That's interesting. I had heard of lumafusion but don't actually know anyone who edits on it. All the online reviews seem to be very positive. I hope someone makes something like that for Android. I wish there were like 10-15 inch Android tablets that had decent video editing capabilities (I was hoping Samsung make a tablet for video and photo editing professionally) with enough RAM (and a good gpu). My problem with iPhones has always been not having enough storage, no SD card and the iCloud being a joke. Plus cloud isn't accessible from most places that don't have access to 4G speeds, because you could spend forever uploading content. Yes, Cinema 4k, Open Camera and all video shooting apps only have a resolution of QuadHD (instead of Ultra HD), because the Samsung API is not fully open. Also things like 4k 60p and high frame rate are not features that these Apps have access to, either. Hopefully video quality on smartphones is finally great (that Filmic Pro Log V2 on the the new iPhones looks promising too). Sony smartphones have had HLG (and h265 for a while) but I don't know how good or bad it is.

Samsung, Twentieth Century Fox and Panasonic created the HDR10+ format and unlike Dolby's (which seems more promising), it seems to be created for greater adoption (starting with the pricing). Last year Samsung got many other partners ro adopt the standard INCLUDING Qualcomm. Which would mean broader integration with other smartphones using Snapdragon's SoCs. https://www.whathifi.com/amp/advice/hdr10-everything-you-need-to-know In one of the data sheets of the Samsung S10 Series to be introduced (obtained by XDADeveloper.com), it appears that a mention of HDR10+ (for recording as well as playback) seems to be mentioned. Which means that Samsung seems to be the first Smartphone manufacturer who is bringing 10-bit video recording capability to a smartphone. The LG V30 stated it too, very ambiguously, but that was rubbish. This is genuinely huge. It was going to happen since some smartphones image sensors can do 12-bit at upto 60fps, but there must be issues with the processor (specifically to do with Combining HDR AND 10-bit, since it would be a waste to have it without enough dynamic range). Strangely Apple didn't implement it first, especially considering how much they have about their processing power. Hopefully Samsung iron out the compatibility issues with playback (on devices that do not have HDR10+). https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-galaxy-s10-may-have-hdr10-video-recording-1080p-super-slow-motion-best-shot-and-more/amp/

https://fstoppers.com/originals/micro-four-thirds-versus-full-frame-how-much-heavier-panasonics-s1-336236 "Now that Panasonic are entering the full-frame mirrorless market, they’ve created the heaviest camera of the bunch. The S1 weighs 2.25 pounds, with the S1R weighing basically the same at 2.24 pounds. Out of the competition, it’s only the Sony a9 that comes close with 1.48 pounds. All of this is with the battery inside the camera. Here’s a breakdown: Nikon Z 6: 1.29 pounds Canon EOS R: 1.45 pounds Sony a7S II: 1.38 pounds Sony a9: 1.48 pounds Panasonic GH5: 1.59 pounds Panasonic S1: 2.25 pounds Panasonic S1R: 2.24 pounds" Weight of the GH5 vs the S1: "Panasonic GH5 GH5 with a battery inside: 1.59 pounds Lumix 12-35mm f/2.8 - 0.67 pounds Lumix 35-100mm f/2.8 - 0.78 pounds X5 batteries at 0.2 pounds each - 1 pounds Total: 4.04 pounds Panasonic S1 S1 with a battery inside - 2.25 pounds Lumix S 24-105mm f/4 (kit lens) - 1.50 pounds Lumix S PRO 70-200mm f/4 - 2.17 pounds X5 batteries at (guessing) 0.3 lb each - 1.5 pounds Total: 7.72 pounds" I remember Chris Nicols of DPReview mentioning that it was heavy, especially when he wasn't using it and only carrying it around. In comparison, the humble Fuji XT3 weighs in at 1.188 pounds.

Here is with the iPhone XS Max thrown in. That has way less noise reduction. So its images look much closer to the Honor View 10 in terms of resolution and sharpness. https://m.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=5&idPhone1=9468&idPhone2=8966&idPhone3=9319 I had replied in one of the forums that smartphone companies need to make a phone camera that can switch between the CFA and one without it, In very quick succession. And something where the micro lens setup isn't affected. It could add a lot more light as well as a lot more sharpness and detail.

I realised that the CFExpress and XQD had identical slots and almost identical/ identical connections, I also know the CFExpress guys were in talks with Sony and Nikon for having compatibility transitions ironed out, but I didn't realised that it already happened. I guess it's a win win for everyone then.

I was hoping for higher MP cameras too, and I have a feeling that I am going to be disappointed with the images from the S10 series too. The Sony/ Samsung 48MP though, is a bit of a scam. It already has a permanently attached quad Bayer CFA on its sensor, so the 48MP is just up-ressing 12MP. Even the proposed new 36MP IMX607 (which apparently had a triple ISO of 50/500/5000) is not a real 36MP sensor. Anything above 12MP on a tiny smartphone camera and lens, usually has poor quality images and other issues. The Pureview 808 and Lumia lineup, and the monster sized Panasonic CM1, had superb High MP image quality due to larger sensors. But their sensor sizes were too large, and maybe also slow and too processor intensive. Plus all those phones had way slower processors than the ones we have nowadays. The single weakest link on the l16 Light camera was the the processor (apart from the super low cost image sensors). The Snapdragon 845 and all competitor equivalents (Exynos 9810 onwards) have ensured that with a few ISP additions, the processors are more than powerful enough. And the image size options are nearly limitless (metaphorically). Like the Exynos can apparently do 8k at 30fps (which could be great for HDR photos). There are many free and paid apps for up-ressing pics. If you want just a single pic to be up-ressed, you could easily use one of these apps. The detail improvement is seriously noticeable. You just have to ensure you have a great detailed image to begin with.

Doesn't RAW cause overheating. And the S1 and S1R already have time limits (30 mins for 4k 30p) to combat (prospective) overheating issues. The 4k 4-2-2 VLog is already something that may be External, so having internal RAW seems unlikely. XQD may be an alternative to CFast, but they are nowhere near the fastest cards available. Maybe Panasonic didn't wanna wait and the buffer could be higher with XQD Xards. Panasonic needs to collaborate with Samsung and create TINY SSDs like on Atomos Ninja 5". It can be tiny, much cheaper that CFast and XQD per Gb and much faster. If they innovate well they could have SSDs the size of CFast cards, and ones that fit into slots of the same size too. Or better still, they could just get CFexpress cards with blistering read/write speeds of 1,400MB/s and 1,000MB/s. That should be more than sufficient for internal RAW (which I doubt any ILC lineup apart from the GH series will get).

Panasonic is waiting to start selling a few hundred thousand S1 cameras, before any GH6 announcements, since the next GH Camera would eat everyone's breakfast, in the video department. So there will be a deafening silence on the GH front until the S1 has sold in a fee truckloads. I am guessing the GH6 will redefining video quality and features on an ILC just like the GH5 did 3 years ago.

And yet Bird Box the Zombie apocalypse, strangely ripped off from War of the Worlds, seems to have been made into a film. I heard praises of it, and was genuinely curious to watch it. I can't say it was terrible. But it certainly wasn't original and the story could have been a lot better.

This is from an interview at Imaging-Resource.com with Panasonic. I wonder if truly there is an image degradation or just BS. In many ways I feel the more and aliasing and lens corrections on Panasonic cameras actually causes a slight image degradation. I could be wrong. But this seems like its pushing things. https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2017/03/14/panasonic-cpplus-2017-gh5-dev-story-on-chip-pdaf-affordable-4k "... DE: Moving on to a question about autofocus: The specs for the GH5 say that it's faster than the GH4 for Depth from Defocus. So far, Panasonic has focused most of your attention on DFD, if you'll pardon the pun. You haven't yet done anything with phase-detect pixels on the sensor. Is there a technical limitation for on-chip phase detect that makes it less desirable or is just a matter of intellectual property and licensing things? Or do you feel that with DFD that you really don't need to have phase detect? Panasonic: Phase detect on the image sensor will cause image defects [which] are very easily detected when the [subject] is moving slowly. For example, if the object is moving very slowly and [phase detect is used], so this interaction makes… DE: As an edge crosses a phase detect pixel… Panasonic: …it is not smooth, yeah. So to avoid those kinds of artifacts, we do not use the phase detection. DE: Very interesting, because even if they're recording the light for image formation, the phase detect pixels are only seeing half the light because they're shaped differently, and so you have to do some processing to make up the difference. Panasonic: Yeah, that's another reason, yes. DE: And they're doing interpolation, like a nearest neighbor or median filter or something like that… Panasonic: Right, right. DE: …and so if you have a sharp edge coming across [the phase-detect pixel] slowly, it will flicker a little. Panasonic: Right. DE: Ah, that's very, very interesting." I know PDAF is supposed to introduce striping or banding issues, but I wonder why its more prevalent in some cameras over others. and more noticeable at High ISOs and other factors. What do you guys think?

I couldn't agree more. The emphasis on expensive equipment and expensive cast and crew is stubbornly stupid. Plus writers in most jurisdictions aren't paid enough and plagiarists aren't punished enough. If VoD platforms kept a fund for 100 Feature Films under 100k, and ensured that the stories were great, they wouldn't have to think of most of the rubbish. The problem is VoD platforms have not been able to separate themselves from the over budget Hollywood rubbish they are attempting to replace. Suddenly there are so many VoD platforms that no one player is probably making enough. And until they improve their content and budget better, they don't deserve to.