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The Sony Xperia XZ3 and the Xperia 1 also do 10-bit. Though their profile seems less impressive, not sure why though. Thanks for sharing this. The HDR10 on the S10 does look seriously impressive. I am surprised not more people are shooting on it. I wish it has more bitrate options.

Could you check dynamic range in the HDR10 video recording, how easy it is to grade etc etc. Also how good or bad is Filmic Pro compared to the HDR10. Looking forward to seeing it. Am thinking of picking up an S10 too.

I had a similar experience with Panasonic India who were unable to repair a camera (GX85). Panasonic Australia were confident they could repair it, and they apparently did (or attempted to hoodwink me), sending the camera with the same problem back and making it worse. So basically because I bought a camera in Australia, and moved to India, and so I was stuck with a camera that couldnt be repaired (the camera had some issues with the sensor within the first few weeks itself, which apparently eas a common problem with the GX85 cameras). Finally Diamond Cameras (in their generosity) sent me a Replacement Unit because Panasonic were SO INCOMPETENT, that they couldn't repair their OWN camera across 2 different countries/ continents. Panasonic is a little like Ford Motors in that way. Their after sales can be pretty crappy. They have some great products (I find their air conditions to be in Daikin territory). But after this experience I am not too sure I would buy Panasonic products. Even if they gave them to me for free. Or maybe I would sell them if I got them free, and let someone else curse them ?

I remember someone saying that after the BRAW on their Ursa Mini, they got another stop of usable ISO. Could someone test whether there have been improvements to low light (another usable stop ISO).

Don't go by numbers and figures. When DaVinci entered the market everyone was already huge. I remember one of the Blackmagic guys saying that their NLE was developed by a student during his Computer Engineering days, which means he handled the job of many different people, maybe even hundreds of them. The purpose of resolve and all of the various suites was to get rid of the elitism and monopoly of the prohibitively overpriced editing (they were priced in hundreds of thousands) suites. Most of the large corporations handicap their features and performance to save their high end lineup. So instead of lacking talent, they probably lack willpower.

There is already a thread for this. Could one of the admins merge it with that thread. Multiple threads for the same topic are distracting.

If Sony gets their HDR right and unlike previous models doesn't directly upload it online, this could be a winner. A good boost to dynamic range and bitrate wouldn't harm anyone either. ? If the GH5s and PocketCinema 4k sensor can do 4k at 120fps 10-bit, there is no reason a smartphone sensor shouldn't have have 4k 240fps 10-bit. So instead of combining 2 frame, it could combine 3 or more for each and the detail, dynamic range and noise could be way better.

Also, there appears to be an issue with the url. I could be wrong, but it brings me back to this very page or the photos. Wow. If you were in the same city, we could have taken a selfie together and I could have added another famous person I know to my short list ? This is superb. Congrats and

I am still unable to understand you perfectly. Just for the record, I am mixed race, and Indians are probably more fluent in English than most countries whose native language is English. And there is a likelihood that Hindi (India's most common or spoken language), may be as commonly spoken as English. Or just a tad more. It was not an Idea, if I said they are making phone in limited numbers, I couldnt have imagined it. It could also not be clairvoyance. So obviously it's a fact and I read from a few reliable sources, and arrived that that statement. Actually the Pixel 3 may have like 13-14 stops but in JPEG format with lots of noise reduction and detail smudging. And no, I do not use a Pixel 3. I find the Google phone to be very intrusive, in the most curious ways. It's like its constantly recording everything one does. I saw a few photos where the highlights in night photos (or photos where the light was anything but ideal) were blown up. Actually I am guessing it may also have to do with something else (heavy handed editing or converting from RAW to JPEGs?). https://m.gsmarena.com/showpic2.php3?sImg=news/19/02/nokia-9-camera-samples/official/gsmarena_017.jpg&idNews=35690 https://m.gsmarena.com/showpic2.php3?sImg=news/19/02/nokia-9-camera-samples/official/gsmarena_002.jpg&idNews=35690# This has tiny light sources in the phone (because they are at a distance), but if you zoom in, you can clearly see that it is blowing out the light sources (highlights). https://m.gsmarena.com/showpic2.php3?sImg=news/19/02/nokia-9-camera-samples/official/gsmarena_015.jpg&idNews=35690# I am also wondering whether they can push the minimum ISO to ISO64 or 60 or 50, to get just a little more headroom. You could probably do reasearch and find out someone else who shares this viewpoint. And claim that my thought is not original. I completely agree. The Nokia 9 is a very drastic step from incremental changes or improvements in smartphone photography. The photos looked ALIVE. Even more than those from Leica Lenses. They have have such an amazing 3D effect about them. Like this photo for instance: https://m.gsmarena.com/showpic2.php3?sImg=news/19/02/nokia-9-camera-samples/official/gsmarena_010.jpg&idNews=35690

I am unable to understand what you're attempting to articulate. You posted some random URLs to videos and sites. If you aren't familiar or comfortable with English, post in whatever language helps. I will try and get a Google translate translation done.

Yet, curiously, you seem to have a new fake ID. Who is this again?

I read the whole specs sheet and various reviews a few times and came to the following conclusions (please feel to correct me if I am wrong): 1. OIS helps push another few stops of stabilization that helps way more in correcting hand shake than anything else. 2. All phones with OIS have some serious issues with HDR which they circumvent by doing something similar to correcting PDAF gaps and noise as well as blurring detail. 3. One can create superb HDR by image stacking, but one has lesser time in the case of phone without OIS, and plus they have far greater limitations on variable shutter speeds for stacking (they can't go too slow). 4. While the image from the Nokia 9 looks superb for a smartphone, I suspect that it may have lesser dynamic range that a Pixel 3. The Nokia 9 may have more dynamic range in RAW especially if the image fusion creates a RAW photo. The Pixel 3 may have much lesser actual detail and a lot more digital sharpening though. I also think the 2.9 times more light, that the Nokia 9 presentation was mentioning, may be a little exaggerated. The night photos were actually blowing out the highlights a little. I suspect it may have to do with faster shutter speeds due to the lack of OIS. I am wondering whether there were any limitations of the Snapdragon 845 and also what the image sensors that are used in the Nokia 9. Curiously Nokia claims that it's only making a limited number of these and will not produce more than the ones it has altered predetermined tor the production run (maybe it gets better with the Snapdragon 855). I am looking for 9 camera smartphones with 3 different focal lengths, 3 b&w sensors and 3 DoF sensors. @DBounce the Nokia 9 is actually path-breaking in many ways.

The smaller screen when its closed, is a good way to save battery. And an unreasonably thin Folding phone with the fold left on the outside makes the device a lot more vulnerable to scratches and damage. Unless the special protective case you mentioned is thin enough to be attached to the phone and not interfere with the folding mechanism or screen quality. 7.3 inches or so. I agree it could have been more like 8 inches instead. But the Huawei isn't like 2 inches larger or something. The Huawei X costs a lot more too. And to be honest, I doubt either of them will be a production powerhouse for photo and video editing (unless either carries the nre Snapdragon laptop aimed SoC).

That post focus ability is amazing, especially considering that it has 1200 planes of depth (or whatever the term for it is). I think you may be referring to the JPEG capture. I remember hearing or reading somewhere that the JPEG one is much faster. It would be interesting though, if like you suggest, the RAW writing is happening in the background where the phone is ready to take the next shot.

"... The Nokia 9 PureView just offers a single focal length. In my tests, it took around 10 seconds or so to process a picture once it was shot, and then another few seconds to fully load the finished result in full resolution in the photos app. Now, Nokia says that those features will be off by default, and that regular JPEGs should shoot faster. But if you’re someone who’s buying the Nokia 9 PureView, odds are you’re probably interested in taking full advantage of all those cameras." https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2019/2/24/18234962/nokia-9-pureview-cameras-5-features-specs-multiple-price-release-date-photos-hands-on-mwc-2019 Which which means nothing even remotely quick in terms of Photography. Only something that has to be shoot very slow. No fast moving objects and no sports or reasonably fast moving wildlife Photography. Not having an OIS is a big deal. It could have easily improved low light photo quality, even handheld ones. But I am guessing they couldn't find a way to do sensor fusion with 5 sensors and OIS. Unless they implemented a single OIS panel for all 5 sensors (though it would be a battery guzzler and quite large). I saw the sample photos from the Nokia 9 and they are superb, especially considering that they are from a Smartphone. I can imagine a 9-Camera version of this, with 3 focal lengths (each with a coloured, b&w and ToF/Depth sensor). And with much faster processing (DRAM sensors, 12Gb RAM and lot more ISP?). That could be the next generation of this. I am looking forward to DXO labs testing this. The depth of field seems to be the best part, apart from native RAW dynamic range (rated at 12.4 stops).

Samsung's concept IMHO seems to be the best implemented, since it bends inwards reducing any likely damages to the screen, and rhenoutaide screen is small, warranting lesser power. The only downside is that the front camera have ruined the symmetry. Other company implementations don't seem ready for primetime yet. I wish Samsung would put that new Snapdragon processor for tablets and laptops on it with some amazing RAM for actual photo and video editing.

This is about the 10-bit video. For some reason Sony isn't able to advertise enough features of its smartphones and also the pricing, advertisement and refinement seem little off. Like if it had like 100mbps, this could have been a monster. https://www.sonymobile.com/in/legal/testresults/xperia-xz2/#gref The S10 video looks promising, but how good it is, is something we'll have to wait for. Btw I am noticing that Samsung is delaying and underplaying specs and features on the S10 lineup, including sensor and other specs. Which is a little suspicious. Either they're looking to make things superb video firmware or everything is not as stellar as it should be.

That question can only be answered after the HDR10+ on the S10 series is put to the test, by reviewers (the final firmware should he available after the launch, if not right now). I am also curious to know the bitrate on the S10 and whether Apps like Cinema4k and Filmic Pro have access to the full API on the Samsung. Actually the camera record in/for HDR10+ too. I clearly remember seeing it in the launch video. From Samsung's Own Official Site: https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-raises-the-bar-with-galaxy-s10-more-screen-cameras-and-choices "Both front and rear cameras can shoot in up to UHD quality, and in an industry first, the rear camera gives you the flexibility to record in HDR10+6." The Sony Xperia XZ3 was apparently the first smartphone to record 10-bit HDR video. I am guessing it was 4-2-0 and very low bitrate.

Most likely because the Full VLog (non L version) will be making it to the GH Series too. Also, the full VLog will add almost the full sensor dynamic range (which should be closer to 14 stops and over 13 stops in the least). And with the hight bitrate external External VLog update, one may actually be able to use most of this dynamic range in post work, almost like highly compressed RAW. I also suspect that the absence of PDAF may be glaringly obvious in video, but for photos it won't be as bad. If the new engine has improved, then the new autofocus may actually be very good (not necessarily high speed sports photography good, but even better than the GH5).

I would start believing real dynamic range figures once DXOlabs get their hands on the S1 series. Many othe sites have infamous figures, both dubious as well as uninspiring. It's not a BSI sensor. That was clearly listed at a few places including the Dpreview.com comparison with other 24MP mirrorless full frame cameras. Apparently the new micro lens arrangement would have an issues with a BSI sensor (light fall off due to angle of incidence, and introducing all kinds of colour and other noise). Also the improvement in low light between FSI and BSI could apparently, be easily negated by the new micro lens architecture (along with sensor design and some great processing). Which also explains why Panasonic is completely averse to PDAF because they don't want to substitute missing portions of the image and improve parts of the image by heavy processing (I personally don't agree with their viewpoint). Not according to the kind folks at Cinema5d.com. According to them the difference in more in the ballpark of 1 stop (or about 0.8 stops on the GH5s, being 9.9 stops for HLG and 10.7 stops for VLog-L).

My favourite dynamic range measuring site(?), claims that it has 12.2 Stops of Dynamic Range in HLG. You could probably get another 0.7-1 Stop with the VLog (non L). As well a perfectly usable ISO of upto 30000. Which is huge for both. Autofocus is as consistently terrible as always. But I guess you can't be superb in 3 fields. IBIS is also very impressive apparently. https://***URL not allowed***/panasonic-lumix-s1-review/ I wish it was a little smaller and $2000. That way 2 of these wouldn't pinch so much.

I am very curious how the 10-bit 4-2-0 vs 8-bit 8-2-0, both at the same bitrate (XT3 vs XT30).

The Oscar's should probably be banned Altogether. Apart from Obscenity (both language and visuals), crude political slugfests, racism, sexism, questionable selections and obscene innuendos the Oscar's have been getting more and more crude and sick every year. #BanTheOscars

That's interesting. I had heard of lumafusion but don't actually know anyone who edits on it. All the online reviews seem to be very positive. I hope someone makes something like that for Android. I wish there were like 10-15 inch Android tablets that had decent video editing capabilities (I was hoping Samsung make a tablet for video and photo editing professionally) with enough RAM (and a good gpu). My problem with iPhones has always been not having enough storage, no SD card and the iCloud being a joke. Plus cloud isn't accessible from most places that don't have access to 4G speeds, because you could spend forever uploading content. Yes, Cinema 4k, Open Camera and all video shooting apps only have a resolution of QuadHD (instead of Ultra HD), because the Samsung API is not fully open. Also things like 4k 60p and high frame rate are not features that these Apps have access to, either. Hopefully video quality on smartphones is finally great (that Filmic Pro Log V2 on the the new iPhones looks promising too). Sony smartphones have had HLG (and h265 for a while) but I don't know how good or bad it is.

Samsung, Twentieth Century Fox and Panasonic created the HDR10+ format and unlike Dolby's (which seems more promising), it seems to be created for greater adoption (starting with the pricing). Last year Samsung got many other partners ro adopt the standard INCLUDING Qualcomm. Which would mean broader integration with other smartphones using Snapdragon's SoCs. https://www.whathifi.com/amp/advice/hdr10-everything-you-need-to-know In one of the data sheets of the Samsung S10 Series to be introduced (obtained by XDADeveloper.com), it appears that a mention of HDR10+ (for recording as well as playback) seems to be mentioned. Which means that Samsung seems to be the first Smartphone manufacturer who is bringing 10-bit video recording capability to a smartphone. The LG V30 stated it too, very ambiguously, but that was rubbish. This is genuinely huge. It was going to happen since some smartphones image sensors can do 12-bit at upto 60fps, but there must be issues with the processor (specifically to do with Combining HDR AND 10-bit, since it would be a waste to have it without enough dynamic range). Strangely Apple didn't implement it first, especially considering how much they have about their processing power. Hopefully Samsung iron out the compatibility issues with playback (on devices that do not have HDR10+). https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-galaxy-s10-may-have-hdr10-video-recording-1080p-super-slow-motion-best-shot-and-more/amp/