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So the Mavic 2 Zoom has NO crop in 4k mode? About the actual crop (on the Mavic 2 Zoom in 4k mode), this is the literature on the Sony IMX377, which may be (not absolutely sure) the sensor on the Mavic Pro (and Mavic 2 Zoom). In 4k mode, while the reduction in width may be unnoticeable, the reduction in height is pretty substantial, from 12MP to 8+MP or so that it does for 4k. The sensor area being used, effectively reduces from 1/2.3 inches to 1/2.5 inches, which us enormous. The ratio of the sensors (4/3, 3/2 etc) also determines the Crop (apart from the total pixels required to perform a certain job). Source: https://www.sony-semicon.co.jp/products_en/IS/sensor2/products/imx377.html Also, that image above, is from DJI's official release/ record? I could be wrong, but I believe you may have exaggerated the applicable Crop Factor in the image. The difference is between 77° and 55°, like I posted earlier, from DJI's literature, which is more like 30% (actually less). That is, unfortunately not correctlt represented by the image you shared. In 55° crop mode it cropa into approx. 14.28 megapixels from the original 20MP. Also the pixel sizes are Different in the Inch and 1/2.3" sensor. The pixels are 2.4 micron on the 1 inch sensor and 1.55 micron on the 1/2.3 inch sensor. You would have to take this into consideration, while making the image too. "... What is the difference between Full FOV mode and HQ mode under Mavic 2 Pro’s 4K resolution? Full FOV down samples from the 5.5K sensor to 4K resolution while HQ crops in the center for finer image quality but less FOV. Full FOV view is 75° and HQ view is 55°. You can select between them according to your actual shooting demands.." Source: https://m.dji.com/product/mavic-2 Except, that I was unable to find a difference between an 8-bit and 10-bit 4k mode, w.r.t. to Crop Factor, in the sensor material.

IMHO your argument make so sense.

I guess for the longest companies promised 10-bit video in a tiny form factor (from LG V30, to the Sony RX0, to a plethora of other companies). They all had issues they couldn't resolve and all oversold an idea. It was clearly possible, and Sony had sensors from the IMX477 size onwards (1/2.3") that could do 10-bit video. Companies didn't implement it, I am guessing, mostly due to terrible heat management (smartphone would probably explode and the Sony small cameras would probably melt). Anything apart from the GH5 and GH5s, even for ILCs, has been unable to handle it internally, despite their enormous size (in comparison to the M2P). Now that DJi had implemented it, I am wondering whether heat is at all an issue with it, and how it handles that and other issues so well. Also, somehow the whole form factor fascinates me. Would love to see something like this on a handheld gimbal, with interchangeable lenses (with the battery in the grip). Plus I also expect to see a bit of a rat race with cameras in small form factors implementing it (Hint: a 2019 flagship with a new kind of heatsink, which is being tested right now).

Source?

The link you posted has many of the drone footage one could look for. Thanks for sharing.

The scanner scan, sometimes is of no real consequence of the algorithms are not proportionally correct. Since you have bought the Mavic 2 Pro, and the Phantom 4 Pro, you would be the right guy to actually compare the 2 side by side and check which is better and sharper. Don't bother about the Crop that much. See if the transitions are good and if there is banding, and which seems better to the eyes and for grading and post work. Also you could compare the photo quality between the two, and check which seems to have more detail, more accurate colours and less digital sharpening. I could be wrong, but I am betting my money on the Mavic 2 Pro.

ProRes RAW is proprietary monopoly. And shamelessly so. If anything, it should probably be boycotted.

These are pics from the M2P. Flickr seems to ruined the quality of the pics. The Hasselblad site (https://www.hasselblad.com/collaborations/dji-mavic-2-pro/) seems to represent the quality way more precisely, without too much downsizing in terms of quality due to file size. Read the blog post too. He makes some interesting points, especially with regard to the Hasselblad collaboration. https://blog.mingthein.com/2018/08/24/2018-dji-mavic-2-pro-review/#more-17580

I am not sure your formula makes any sense. There is no official reason for this. It's quite likely that there is a reason for this beyond having a market for the next Phantom. If DJI wanted to solely keep a market for the Phantom, the need for a Hasselblad collaboration would be low. Whatever few videos I saw, I found the image pretty amazing too. There is no artificial sharpening. That is something I noticed on the high res pics on the Hasselblad site too.

It was a 1.3x crop I believe (I will check again). The MPP has a wider field of view than the P4P to begin with, so it may not be that wide. I hope someone compared that too. Or I will do a lil maths. Addition: the Crop is from a 77° Field of View to a 55° Field of View, meaning a 28.579 times crop. Now Before the Crop it was 28mm equivalent, so, after the Crop it be a 35.98 or 35-36mm equivalent. I checked on B&H and these are the details of the Phantom 4 Pro: "FOV (Field of View): 84° Focal Length: 8.8 mm / 24 mm (35 mm format equivalent)" So I guess the difference between the Mavic 2 Pro and Phantom 4 Pro may be a difference of 24mm to 35mm. That seems like a lot, as between the 2 Drones with 1inch sensors. Either DJI did it to protect the Phantom line or it did it because downsampling may have had issues in the HQ mode, or more likely, because the sensors may Not be the same, and the one in the Mavic may have 10-bit video, in a 1.3 times crop mode.

I thought about it. I guess the Majority of Panasonic users believe the LX100 ii is DoA. I was attempting to have a Poll on it, but the Poll thing has some glitch, which happened for the 2nd time. But the LX100 ii being a damp squib seems yo be the Majority opinion around, I guess.

Actually if Nikon claims the cameras have 12 stops in video, I would guess it's a little less than 12 stops.

Panasonic needs to Seriously sort out its video, regardless of profile. Add atleast another 1 stop of dynamic range, across the board and little better log profiles.

All cards thay handle 100mbps on the Phantom 4 Pro in 15th opinion should be able to handle the 100mbps H.265 codec too. This is one of the early reviews (people are claiming theirs have shipped, so I am guessing Mavic 2s may also be available at various retailers). The video is too short to warrant a clear winner (between the Phantom 4 Pro and the Mavic 2 Pro) and the lighting situations and other things aren't much to chose from. I would put my money on the Mavic 2 Pro though.

I am guessing you're right, because most of their other photos on the site (Hasselblad's) too seem to be worked on, RAW photos, even though they mentioned somewhere that their collaboration with DJI was about colour accuracy in OOC photos, ready without (too much) post work. The Sony 1inch sensors seem have a lot of scope for performing HDR in both photo and video. That is really encouraging.

Wow. I don't know why, but I believe the camera in this is very capable. I also wished it had a removable camera unit (like on the ill fated Karma Drone), because it could easily outshine many DSLRs for video with those specs. Even the photos (apart from the video) taken from the Mavic 2 Pro are pretty amazing. Go to Download Sample Images and check the image quality. I find them pretty great (not oversharpened, and with superb colours). https://www.hasselblad.com/collaborations/dji-mavic-2-pro/

I am sure that smaller sensors (such as 1inch anf M43) can improve dynamic range by combining multiple exposures and employ Dual Gain Architecture (like on the Arris), and have the advantage of faster readout, lesser rolling shutter and other benefits. Especially for sensors (such as that in the GH5s), that have 10-bit 4k at upto 240fps (I am guessing 60fps may be the baseline and anything above that is just an added bonus). And if smartphone (and drones by DJI) can get excellent photos (in HDR Mode) by photo stacking, there is no reason why camera companies cannot improve their photo quality (in JPEGs to begin with). Changes in ILCs is way slower than smartphones. If Snapdragon processors (limiting photo sizes and the number of devic3s natived controlled by the processor) and Android platforms (very slow adoption of the vari0us nat8ve codecs used, plus other algorithm support) didn't have so many hiccups (and if HEIF and other codecs and arrived earlier), smartphones would actually have DSLR comparable pics. The only limitation may be that they would be in 10-bit HEIF instead of 12 and 14-Bit RAW. Panasonic needs to seriously consider a Sensor with 48MP that does the Quad Bayer sensor stacking like on the Sony IMX586 Sensor. Or a Sensor that has a clickable or shutter positioned Colour Filter Array that adds 2.5 times the sensitivity with the regular colour information, and combining the two, to create a Sensor that punched way above it's weight (size).

You could check. The DJI site claims to have delivery immediately after payment (whatever that means).

Wow. That would be pretty amazing, if it can. I guess DJI has seriously re-invented the drone (sensor size, form factor n codec). And I agree, the Phantom is just cumbersome and almost unyielding.

That's what I heard too. They targeting 30th September at 23:59:59 A promise if a promise, apparently.

I am curious as to how the Mavic 2 Pro compared in video to the Phantom 4 Pro, especially considering it now had 10-bit video and possibly a sharper Hasselblad Lens. Would love to see a dynamic range and sharpness face-off at 4k and in Photo Mode.

Size comparison. The image doesn'tseem to be loading: http://j.mp/2w5EaSE

So true.

I guess with the Nikon Z6 and Z7 releases (especially due to their video features like 10-bit via c-HDMI and the new NLog Profile), there is more pressure on Panasonic to up the video ante, and add more features. I am guessing a price revision may also be welcome, but that's a debatable point. PDAF has become an absolute must for future Panasonic Cameras. And the video dynamic range needs to be opened up more (across All Profiles). Suddenly I am wondering whether Panasonic can make more 20mm f/1.7 Pancake type primes (10mm and 30mm Pancake Primes?).

Thanks. I finally saw this too. They've thrown out a lot of mirror and body parts, and that's helped apparently helped with the weight. Not full sized: "HDMI: Type C HDMI connector" "Movie Maximum Recording Time 29 minutes 59 seconds" For the Z7, from Nikon's site. I don't know why, but I still find a lot of hidden restrictions, that are yet to be unearthed.