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I don't know, but there appear to be a lot of hiccups with these, most of which people are still discovering. From Newsshooter.com: "The cameras can shoot Full frame without cropping the sensor at 4K UHD up to 30 fps and Full HD up to 120 fps. A new N-Log colour profile is available for capturing high dynamic range for flexibility in post. Nice to see they have provided full 4:2:2 10-bit HDMI output compared to Sony with only 4:2:2 8-bit so it is broadcast friendly. 5-axis image stabilisation will aid in handheld shooting and Nikon has designed the Z-mount lenses with video in mind with minimal focus breathing and quiet AF performance. Both cameras only feature a single XQD card slot & 3.5mm microphone input." The stabilization may not be very satisfactory, and the electronic stabilization seems suspicious. I saw it in some other DSLR before (Nikon), and had a strange jerky effect. Limited record time. A single card. Does anybody know why the bodies are made of?

I agree with you. The average IQ (of people) in these forums is rather low ??? H.265 is at best, twice the efficiency per bit of H.264. The Panasonic GH5 has 400mbps in H.264 for 10-bit 4k. Which, for some people is still less, for the sheer amount of colour information needed. I am not sure how DJI will be able to pull off the 10-bit 4k at 1/2 (less) the amount of information/efficiency. Those figures dont make much sense. Could you post the links to these figures? I am comparing stills RAW with Stills RAW. According to DXO Mark it is 12.5 for the Phantom 4 (which is most likely the same sensor). https://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/DJI/Phantom4-Pro For the X4S (12.6 stops): https://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/DJI/Zenmuse-X4S For the X5S (12.7 stops): https://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/DJI/Zenmuse-X5S

The dynamic range difference between the 1inch Sony sensors and the top M43s (except perhaps the GH5s), is about 0.5 stops. Also, Sony uses the Slog brilliantly in its video codec implementation, pushing dynamic range very close to stills territory (for their A Series). If this sensor can be pushed by the HDR or DLog + 10-bit codec (actually even the 8-bit handled well TBO), then it could reach or come close to 12 stops in video. That would be better a lot of ILCs for video out there (even the GH5 does under 11.5 stops in video). Like you mentioned, the 100mbps even in H.265 may be the weak link.

When I see the DJI line-up, I feel DJI is so far ahead of the competition, it's shameful for the competition. The only hope is someone poaching DJI employees into their company and making drones at all price points. The 10-bit video on the Mavic 2 Pro has me super excited. I am very curious to see how it compares to video from cameras like the Sony A Series and Pansonic's GH Series. Also it said 100mbps somewhere. I wonder if it is in H265, and if it possible at that low bitrate.

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Hahaha. Half of London is a ghetto, filled with extremists, thugs and beggars. It's amazing how people can be oblivious to it or pretend it doesn't exist.

I believe the movement from the left hand side of the road to the right, was the movement from swords to pistols, and which side should prepare you for a possible attack. I could obviously be wrong.

Actually the Phantom 4 Pro was launched at $1499, so considering the reduction in size (added portability), 10-bit codecs (HLG and DLOG) and the improved obstacle avoidance and battery life itself justify the higher cost. Actually, if Parrot and others didn't release their various drone in the last few weeks, DJI could have priced these drones even higher.

4k 60p would have been sweet. But I guess the 10-bit in video seems more exciting. I also suspect the hyperlapse mode, though I wonder how long it needs to be in flight for. I am also most eagerly looking forward yo know the price. Hopefully in another 24 hours or so, we should know.

It appears the Mavic 2 Pro is gonna one hell of a beast. If you look at the specs pic carefully, you will notice that it has 10bit DLOG and HLG, a variable f2.8-11 aperture, 31 mins flying time and 1080p at 120fps. Apparently it will also have some kind of photo time lapse feature coming later (I read it in one of the of the discussions). I hope the pricing isn't too much. This is going be One Insane drone. Source: https://dronedj.com/2018/08/22/specifications-leaked-comparing-dji-mavic-2-pro-zoom-vs-the-mavic-pro/

Hahaha. My autocorrect is Chinese or something. This is still decent. In social media chats it indulges in all sorts of innuendos. I think they will arrest me soon for obscene language, very soon.

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They could have just added a mic jack, GX85's semi articulating screen and changed the EVF. The 17MP resolution is pretty Good, considering it doesn't have OLF. So approx 34% actual resolution increase (12.7 to 17MP) and about another 25% as a theoretical one for the removal of OLF (photos have a lot more detail). I am guessing there shouldn't be too much moiré, since the lens can't be that sharp (it was a soft wide open). There is a further from in 4k video. Thanks for this information.

Only specialised zooms. I still believe there is a need for very fast zooms. And a lot of Olympus lenses are larger than their Panasonic counterparts. Even then, there is a need for zoomm, that makes up for the smaller sensor.

What about a mic jack? And is the viewfinder the same?

IMHO, if they have got the following ONLY, things will be superb: 1. 17MP seems more than enough, Especially if it does not have a low pass filter. 2. Much Improved AF. Autofocus was the weak point on the LX100. It just wasn't quick or precise enough, on many occasions. I hope that has been majorly improved. 3. Articulating LCD. 4. Even better processing, improving low light and video quality. 5. Zoom was slow and less than ideally responsible in the LX100. Hopefully thay has been improved. While a lot of those improvements have been cited, I am sure there are many more. I would also like to see a face off between this and the various 1inch sensor cameras around. I was writing and the thing got posted automatically.

@Cinegain what an exhaustive and interesting list. I agree. Sony seems to have gate-crashed the Mirrorless party. Big time. The fact that it has probably dethroned Nikon in many markets and had dethroned Canon recently in the US, which has pushed everyone in the ILC business into Mirrorless. Both were like Dead on Arrival. The Panasonic GM Series is Even Smaller than the Samsung NX Mini while having a larger sensor and much better image quality. You could add Price to that list, and with the A7iii, Sony seems to have dealt with almost every issue. Various Panasonic (and Olympus?) Cameras do have ETC kind of zoom too, which are similar in function. Obviously with lesser megapixels, there is lesser megapixels to zoom in from . I guess reading from the above and adding a few points, Panasonic needs to address the following: 1. Video Dynamic Range on the Panasonics are mostly disappointing. If the GH5 can do 13 stops in RAW, why should VLog L be in the 11.36 stops range? It is definitely a forced handicap by Panasonic, which is a fundamental flaw witj the video codec (all profiles) on the Panasonics. And if the GH5s can do Over 13.5 stops, then the VLog L is definitely the weakest point on the camera. On the Sony A7 and even the other A Series, SLog has dynamic range in video very close to that of the photo dynamic range, and mostly 13 or more stops (upto 14 stops). On Panasonic other profiles (non-VLog) have another Stop of 2 less of dynamic range, and you pretty much get the picture. 2. Panasonic Needs to move go 14-Bit RAW photo on it's Flagship Cameras (the GH and G Series). The ability to push photos in post is just amazing. Recovery of 3-4 stops of shadows (or highlights), is just phenomenal on the Sony A Series. Panasonic Needs to implement this. 3. Panasonic Needs to have PDAF. There is no other viable option. DFD is like 1-2 years behind the competition (wrt PDAF), and this is most apparent in video. 4. I am wondering whether Panasonic needs to Explore Image Fusion from a much smaller sensor like on Dual Sensor Smartphone Cameras? It could use the recently announced 1/2 inch Sony 48MP IMX586, sensor along with a 20-24MP M43 Sensor, combining information from both, and having excellent low light and very high detail for a 24MP Sensor, or have the option for 48MP in reasonably good light. Plastic lenses and other shortcomings and handicaps of smartphone cameras can also be dealt with this way. 5. Like someone suggested above, I too feel Electric NDs should be a standard on Panasonic's GH Range. That could really be an added feature in the next GH Series camera. 6. The GH5s has shown that there is a market for non-IBIS and IBIS Cameras, in the GH Line to co-exist. Also, the JVC's GY-LS300 has shown that there is scope for a larger sensor inside Panasonic's M43 Mount cameras. It can help with much larger pixels or much higher pixel count, or both plus multi-aspect zooms. 7. While I never got to use the GM1 or GM5, a lot of people swore by them as being the best travel cameras. I am not sure why Panasonic ended that line so abruptly. Like someone mentioned above the 12-32mm is such an amazing compact zoom. Even the GX9 seems to be a strange decision, the GX8 after the GX7 and the GX85 in between. That entire line seems to have no consistency or roadmap. Which, unfortunately doesn't speak very well about the product line and the guys planning it. 8. I guess Most Importantly while Panasonic and Olympus and many others M43 partners (Sigma, Voigtlander etc), are making some great glass, M43 is in need of some Super Fast 3x Zoom Glass like the Original Zuiko f2 Zooms, only with OIS and much faster autofocus. Like f2 12-36mm and f2 35-105 Zooms. They could have built-in speedboosters if it helps. 9. Panasonic does need a Higher Resolution (24-28MP) Model, and should not make all sensors around the 20MP cap, that seems to be the current standard. Edit: like @jonpais mentioned (and so many other too), Panasonic's 400mbps is just too heavy a codec, and Panasonic needs a 100mbps equivalent of Sony's XAVC-S present in Sony's Slog, with the full dynamic of VLog (not in its present form, but in one that exploits the sensor's full dynamic range). The 400mbps is very processor and space heavy. And it doesn't justify the heavy bitrate.

Ok, interesting. Especially considering its like 1/4th the bitrate and 10-bit 4-2-2 vs 8-bit 4-2-0. Dave Dugdale did a video where he pushed the A6500 (I think that was the Sony model) against the Panasonic GH5, and he didn't notice very serious advantages of the Panasonic over the Sony. Also the 400mbps bitrate is just unnecessarily demanding on the space (and processors and cards). The XAVC codec seems to really have some secret sauce. Plus the lower forceful limitation on dynamic range in VLog L seems to be a bad idea?

I guess while this Site is called Eoshd.com, it was the GH2 (and its various hacks) that really got things going, and the various models of M43 cameras that got most indie filmmakers excited around here. The Sony A7iii seems to have ruined the party for a lot of people, way more than one could imagine. And the below $2000 price tag has suddenly made things harder to sell, for almost everyone (Including Sony's own models that can be easily replaced by the A7iii, due to its price advantage, and plethora of superlat8ve features for the price). It was the 10th Anniversary of the birth of the M43 and Mirrorless format, last week. While the GH5 and GH5s, and the Olympus OMD 1D are great cameras, their (former) $1999 price seems a lot, especially for Olympus. What all areas do you think Panasonic and Olympus need to work on, to push the Mirrorless advantage for Mirrorless, now that Nikon is also finally crashing the party? Suggestions could be anything from the high bitrate (with no noticeable advantage except in very heavy grading) to the low dynamic range of VLog (between 1.5-2 stops below that of the sensor's in RAW), to the Lack of 14-abit RAW to lack of PDAF (on the Panasonic) etc.

Really inspiring. Especially for a Company that has THE Highest Rates Smartphone camera, Barring None.

@BTM_Pix just give him a kidney ???

Samsung has been consistent No1 selling smartphone globally, for a while now. A Lot of Global High-end Flagships have seen their sales dip, including Huawei, iPhones, Samsung, LG, HTC etc. So it is not Samsung alone. It is mostly due to the emergence of very well packed Midrange phones with good cameras (One Plus, Xiaomi etc). The issue with Samsung's dipping sales is a mix of politics and economics.

The battery life is more like 45 mins of heavy use (I am guessing that may be for 4k and/ or RAW). This pushes it to 4 hours. Wow. Please delete this comment, if this link had already been shared: Wow. Does it apply to SD Cards too? How fast does it take and how many times can the data be dumped (battery life)?

Apparently that one is a white market phone, and Motorola/ Lenovo has done some stuffing here and there. Btw it was Google that ran Motorola dry by sucking up all the patents. After that it was like worth a farthing, at best. Lenovo were kind to pay anything for it.