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4k 60p would have been sweet. But I guess the 10-bit in video seems more exciting. I also suspect the hyperlapse mode, though I wonder how long it needs to be in flight for. I am also most eagerly looking forward yo know the price. Hopefully in another 24 hours or so, we should know.

It appears the Mavic 2 Pro is gonna one hell of a beast. If you look at the specs pic carefully, you will notice that it has 10bit DLOG and HLG, a variable f2.8-11 aperture, 31 mins flying time and 1080p at 120fps. Apparently it will also have some kind of photo time lapse feature coming later (I read it in one of the of the discussions). I hope the pricing isn't too much. This is going be One Insane drone. Source: https://dronedj.com/2018/08/22/specifications-leaked-comparing-dji-mavic-2-pro-zoom-vs-the-mavic-pro/

Hahaha. My autocorrect is Chinese or something. This is still decent. In social media chats it indulges in all sorts of innuendos. I think they will arrest me soon for obscene language, very soon.

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They could have just added a mic jack, GX85's semi articulating screen and changed the EVF. The 17MP resolution is pretty Good, considering it doesn't have OLF. So approx 34% actual resolution increase (12.7 to 17MP) and about another 25% as a theoretical one for the removal of OLF (photos have a lot more detail). I am guessing there shouldn't be too much moiré, since the lens can't be that sharp (it was a soft wide open). There is a further from in 4k video. Thanks for this information.

Only specialised zooms. I still believe there is a need for very fast zooms. And a lot of Olympus lenses are larger than their Panasonic counterparts. Even then, there is a need for zoomm, that makes up for the smaller sensor.

What about a mic jack? And is the viewfinder the same?

IMHO, if they have got the following ONLY, things will be superb: 1. 17MP seems more than enough, Especially if it does not have a low pass filter. 2. Much Improved AF. Autofocus was the weak point on the LX100. It just wasn't quick or precise enough, on many occasions. I hope that has been majorly improved. 3. Articulating LCD. 4. Even better processing, improving low light and video quality. 5. Zoom was slow and less than ideally responsible in the LX100. Hopefully thay has been improved. While a lot of those improvements have been cited, I am sure there are many more. I would also like to see a face off between this and the various 1inch sensor cameras around. I was writing and the thing got posted automatically.

@Cinegain what an exhaustive and interesting list. I agree. Sony seems to have gate-crashed the Mirrorless party. Big time. The fact that it has probably dethroned Nikon in many markets and had dethroned Canon recently in the US, which has pushed everyone in the ILC business into Mirrorless. Both were like Dead on Arrival. The Panasonic GM Series is Even Smaller than the Samsung NX Mini while having a larger sensor and much better image quality. You could add Price to that list, and with the A7iii, Sony seems to have dealt with almost every issue. Various Panasonic (and Olympus?) Cameras do have ETC kind of zoom too, which are similar in function. Obviously with lesser megapixels, there is lesser megapixels to zoom in from . I guess reading from the above and adding a few points, Panasonic needs to address the following: 1. Video Dynamic Range on the Panasonics are mostly disappointing. If the GH5 can do 13 stops in RAW, why should VLog L be in the 11.36 stops range? It is definitely a forced handicap by Panasonic, which is a fundamental flaw witj the video codec (all profiles) on the Panasonics. And if the GH5s can do Over 13.5 stops, then the VLog L is definitely the weakest point on the camera. On the Sony A7 and even the other A Series, SLog has dynamic range in video very close to that of the photo dynamic range, and mostly 13 or more stops (upto 14 stops). On Panasonic other profiles (non-VLog) have another Stop of 2 less of dynamic range, and you pretty much get the picture. 2. Panasonic Needs to move go 14-Bit RAW photo on it's Flagship Cameras (the GH and G Series). The ability to push photos in post is just amazing. Recovery of 3-4 stops of shadows (or highlights), is just phenomenal on the Sony A Series. Panasonic Needs to implement this. 3. Panasonic Needs to have PDAF. There is no other viable option. DFD is like 1-2 years behind the competition (wrt PDAF), and this is most apparent in video. 4. I am wondering whether Panasonic needs to Explore Image Fusion from a much smaller sensor like on Dual Sensor Smartphone Cameras? It could use the recently announced 1/2 inch Sony 48MP IMX586, sensor along with a 20-24MP M43 Sensor, combining information from both, and having excellent low light and very high detail for a 24MP Sensor, or have the option for 48MP in reasonably good light. Plastic lenses and other shortcomings and handicaps of smartphone cameras can also be dealt with this way. 5. Like someone suggested above, I too feel Electric NDs should be a standard on Panasonic's GH Range. That could really be an added feature in the next GH Series camera. 6. The GH5s has shown that there is a market for non-IBIS and IBIS Cameras, in the GH Line to co-exist. Also, the JVC's GY-LS300 has shown that there is scope for a larger sensor inside Panasonic's M43 Mount cameras. It can help with much larger pixels or much higher pixel count, or both plus multi-aspect zooms. 7. While I never got to use the GM1 or GM5, a lot of people swore by them as being the best travel cameras. I am not sure why Panasonic ended that line so abruptly. Like someone mentioned above the 12-32mm is such an amazing compact zoom. Even the GX9 seems to be a strange decision, the GX8 after the GX7 and the GX85 in between. That entire line seems to have no consistency or roadmap. Which, unfortunately doesn't speak very well about the product line and the guys planning it. 8. I guess Most Importantly while Panasonic and Olympus and many others M43 partners (Sigma, Voigtlander etc), are making some great glass, M43 is in need of some Super Fast 3x Zoom Glass like the Original Zuiko f2 Zooms, only with OIS and much faster autofocus. Like f2 12-36mm and f2 35-105 Zooms. They could have built-in speedboosters if it helps. 9. Panasonic does need a Higher Resolution (24-28MP) Model, and should not make all sensors around the 20MP cap, that seems to be the current standard. Edit: like @jonpais mentioned (and so many other too), Panasonic's 400mbps is just too heavy a codec, and Panasonic needs a 100mbps equivalent of Sony's XAVC-S present in Sony's Slog, with the full dynamic of VLog (not in its present form, but in one that exploits the sensor's full dynamic range). The 400mbps is very processor and space heavy. And it doesn't justify the heavy bitrate.

Ok, interesting. Especially considering its like 1/4th the bitrate and 10-bit 4-2-2 vs 8-bit 4-2-0. Dave Dugdale did a video where he pushed the A6500 (I think that was the Sony model) against the Panasonic GH5, and he didn't notice very serious advantages of the Panasonic over the Sony. Also the 400mbps bitrate is just unnecessarily demanding on the space (and processors and cards). The XAVC codec seems to really have some secret sauce. Plus the lower forceful limitation on dynamic range in VLog L seems to be a bad idea?

I guess while this Site is called Eoshd.com, it was the GH2 (and its various hacks) that really got things going, and the various models of M43 cameras that got most indie filmmakers excited around here. The Sony A7iii seems to have ruined the party for a lot of people, way more than one could imagine. And the below $2000 price tag has suddenly made things harder to sell, for almost everyone (Including Sony's own models that can be easily replaced by the A7iii, due to its price advantage, and plethora of superlat8ve features for the price). It was the 10th Anniversary of the birth of the M43 and Mirrorless format, last week. While the GH5 and GH5s, and the Olympus OMD 1D are great cameras, their (former) $1999 price seems a lot, especially for Olympus. What all areas do you think Panasonic and Olympus need to work on, to push the Mirrorless advantage for Mirrorless, now that Nikon is also finally crashing the party? Suggestions could be anything from the high bitrate (with no noticeable advantage except in very heavy grading) to the low dynamic range of VLog (between 1.5-2 stops below that of the sensor's in RAW), to the Lack of 14-abit RAW to lack of PDAF (on the Panasonic) etc.

Really inspiring. Especially for a Company that has THE Highest Rates Smartphone camera, Barring None.

@BTM_Pix just give him a kidney ???

Samsung has been consistent No1 selling smartphone globally, for a while now. A Lot of Global High-end Flagships have seen their sales dip, including Huawei, iPhones, Samsung, LG, HTC etc. So it is not Samsung alone. It is mostly due to the emergence of very well packed Midrange phones with good cameras (One Plus, Xiaomi etc). The issue with Samsung's dipping sales is a mix of politics and economics.

The battery life is more like 45 mins of heavy use (I am guessing that may be for 4k and/ or RAW). This pushes it to 4 hours. Wow. Please delete this comment, if this link had already been shared: Wow. Does it apply to SD Cards too? How fast does it take and how many times can the data be dumped (battery life)?

Apparently that one is a white market phone, and Motorola/ Lenovo has done some stuffing here and there. Btw it was Google that ran Motorola dry by sucking up all the patents. After that it was like worth a farthing, at best. Lenovo were kind to pay anything for it.

I could have bet the language (wording of sentences) creates a strange sense of deja vu. Almost like former ads for equipment from someone familiar. I wonder if he will ever be punished for his crimes. I am Sure one can file a Cyber Crime complaint in Eqypt from wherever one is, regardless of jurisdiction. That should be One less criminal in the world.

Hahaha. People haven't been listening. To Commemorate it's 10th Edition (of the S10), as well as introduce the Galaxy X, Samsung has been making some incremental yet important updates to its present models (the S9 and Note10). The Super Radical Improvements are reserved for the S10 (with its 2-3 models), and the GalaxyX. Right now the changes are subtle but very welcome (having a more powerful processor by increasing power from 2.3 to 2.7-8 Ghz, increasing RAM from 6Gb to 8Gb, improving the feature in the SPen, substantial battery size increase from 3300mAh to 4000mAh, increasing the storage from 256Gb to 512Gb, improving the quality of the camera both via hardware as well as via software etc).

It would be Absolutely Hilarious if DJI actually releases a mirrorless ILC camera module based on the DJI Zenmuse X7 with IBIS and weather sealing and something that shoots ProRes Or 10-bit H264/265. If they added 15fps to that list, along with their lightweight lens line-up, Nikon would probably never bring this camera to the market (like it did with its 1inch camera range). It could also challenge Sony and Canon, and push ILCs to get more serious about video (like the Panasonic and Sony ones).

I think there was a single flavour of ProRes on the Camera. I am guessing all ProRes and RAW 1080p will be in this windowed mode. It's pretty substantial. With the metabones adaptor coming out (hopefully around the same time around which the camera starts hitting stores), the crop would be substantially reduced (and the image substantially brighter).

I am guessing that there may be a slight delay, though nowhere near the 1-1.5 years the original pocket cinema camera. It could be a few weeks if not days. They already seemed to have tested it, but think the footage is still be tweaked even further. Also, they want to push the sensor to the max, within the limitations of the processor. Every organisation has a common attitude, that trickles down from the top. Grant Petty seems to know what he wants, and he isn't in a rat race. He actually doesn't care at all for the rats, and that's why the profit margins are smaller, and Black Magic doesn't have inflated advertising costs and no unnecessary freebies for anyone. Also, Grant doesn't seem to be in any particular hurry to be a billionaire, with all the hyperbole advertising and specs (ala 'Cinemartin Fran 8K', or 4k at 480fps blah blah blah), endemic to the industry. Blackmagic has had its set of firmware and feature hiccups. But for the price, I doubt anyone comes close. In many ways he and blackmagic design embody the true meaning of 'disruptive' without the glorified presstitute fanfare.

Thanks Oh ok. That would be interesting.

I attended a Black Magic event today and got to play around with the BMPCC4k for a while (maybe 30 mins or so). I cannot discuss all my observations for fear of causing unnecessary panic, but I will state a few things I noticed. 1. The autofocus is not the best, but with the M43 lens advantage, and focus peaking things should be fine. 2. A lot of firmware features were disabled and flavours of ProRes were limited along with recording capabilities, to prevent people from sharing random non final firmware footage. 3. The on-board fans for the camera were not only absolutely silent, they were also unnoticeable (I put my finger over the vents and noticed almost nothing). 4. The Windowed HD is a substantial crop. So Metabones may make a BMPCC4k specific adaptor (which would be essential IMHO). 5. Low Light seems decent. I would like to compare the GH5s with it, though the Black Magic doesn't seem to have any noise reduction, and so at higher ISOs, noise seemed visible (as was the high level of detail in the image). I think once a few units reach reviewers, I would love to see this reviewed for low light, among other things. 6. I found it to be heavy with cinema lenses. But I guess this may have been due to the lenses more than the body. Also after the composite, it should shave off at least 100gms off the weight. 7. Very impressive ergonomics. Especially the wheels the grip. After Panasonic's IBIS + OIS we're literally spoit if anything doesn't offer anything like that (Canon cameras?), it's a little disappointing (I know stabilizers are good enough). I feel Blackmagic is working with a lot of accessory makers. I hope they get a battery grip with atleast 3 hours of juice. If Panasonic tweaks the VLog, I am sure they can easily get atleast another Stop of Dynamic Range out of the cameras (if not more). I realised that M43 is in need of a very fast zoom lens with a decent Range (f2 12-36mm). They could make it fat or large, who really cares. And it must have good OIS (for cameras that don't have IBIS).

Anyone has any idea how many stops of dynamic range in video the Phantom 4 advanced has? Also, I am curious whether the Mavic 2 Pro will have a mechanical shutter like the Phantom 4 Advanced? This may be my first drone too. It does seem promising.

I am for any kind of discussion, as long as One Single Viewpoint as being right, is not valiantly forced down anyone's throat. We live in a world where we have scant knowledge of real facts, thanks to the majority of the news being fake. And this fake narrative continues across healthcare and medicines, science and tech, and everywhere else. I also agree, a sub-forum solely meantfor all such debates; should be created. It seems out of place on the main forum page. In ways I also feel it helps people get out of their loneliness, boredom and depression. Maybe it's helping save a few people from suicide or (committing) murder.