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Everything posted by sanveer
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Please do share the details here, too. (I find that the GH6 seems to have been improved in so many amazing ways. The 100MP handheld alone is pretty insane.).
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We all know, that the Exposure Triangle is mostly not applicable for video. Because one cannot have super high shutter speeds for 24p video, or randonly keep varying the f-stop across frames or scenes. While ISO limits have probably becoming wider in terms of usability, camera which have minimum ISO for log profiles have lesser options, since the base ISO starts pretty high. While this may be acceptable for well controlled environments, it may not be possible for most run and gun shoots, or shoots without absolutely natural ideal lighting conditions (natural and cameras specs being coincidentally complimentary) or shoots without elaborate controlled lighting. So, would be be fair, that for video shooting, ILCs/DSLRs, not having internal NDs (whether manual or electronic), is actually a bad unfinished job. Because without internal NDs, the cameras are not truly factory ready for shooting video. They could be for photos, but not for video. So, why even make the video shooting devices without such NDs? What do you think?
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Actually the Quad (Pixel) Theory is on the OM-1, and it is (IMHO) solely limited to the autofocus pixels. Panasonic's GH6 doesn't have the Quad Pixel CFA. Interestingly, OM is claiming to working on finalising more features, since the OM has some insane processing capabilities. I am hoping it does 14-bit HDR RAW, by combining multiple frames, like on smartphones. I hope it can also do smartphone kind of HDR video as well, at 10-bit 4-2-2, instead of merely 4-2-2.
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I was thinking on similar lines. Either it does it like the photo modes of (single frame) uncompressed RAW on photos, or, that it does it like the Alexas, combining 2x14-RAW channels and creating a 16-bit frame (for video). While it would be superb, either way, if it were for video, it would obviously leapfrog the competition, just like the GH5 did, because it combines 2 exposures, having a lot more dynamic ranges and also having insane exposure latitude (way beyond everything at its price range and a lot beyond). This would mean that Panasonic finally gets much better quality photos (one of the complaints of M43 users was not having photos with much greater exposure latitude, like the 14-bit on larger sensor cameras). Usually sensor have many different readout speeds at different frame rates. So, it could also be possible, that Panasonic uses this sensor in another specialist camera, that does 16-bit video, instead of on the GH6. Though that would be a huge missed opportunity for the GH6.
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"Featuring a 20% increase in resolution, the GH6 touts a new, higher-res Micro Four Thirds sensor." Isn't 20MP to 25MP a 25% resolution increase? Or am I missing something? So they count the sensor resolution, beyond the effective pixels?
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At 27:45, he mentions 16-bit RAW. Which me6snd that the signal strength (can be further widened and?) can help with exposure latitude making it as good (if better than) RAW codecs on larger cameras. Though he mentions that it's for photo (for now?). Maybe, if it does external 16-bit RAW, that would be superb. Also, I hope Panasonic releases a much thinner version of that awful looking Yagn, for real-time compressions into an external RAW recorder (SSD) at 1:3 to 1:18, thereby circumventing that RED patent and also having a recorded for quicker turnaround.
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Wasn't Sony having TSMC fan their sensors?
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Except Sony, most other sensor manufacturers, especially of specialised sensors, don't really disclose sensor details, until much later, if at all. Also, if its a Canon sensor, I doubt Panasonic would wanna disclose it. They are anyway so guarded about sensor details. I wish Samsung were in the game, again. Though I doubt it. There is some secret code among sensor makers, and most make the same or similar sensors, and development seems almost, secretly, together or similar.
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Interesting, most of the size increase seems to have been due to the new articulating screen and the sturucyursly sturdiness of the frame.
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I don't know if this has been posted before, but this review is very important from a user's perspective (IMHO). Also, he tests a lot of things, especially in comparison to many previous M43 cameras, and also the A1 (for autofocus).
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So it isn't a Sony sensor for a change(?). It wouldn't be TowerJazz Semiconductor/ Tower Semi, I am guessing, either. Like someone on some rumours blog suggested (photorumors/ 43rumors?), it's probably an ONSemi sensor. Maybe by not having 14-bit ADC and impressing it for a 16-bit image (having it limited to 12-bit, both ways, meaning recording and delivery), they could substantially reduce sensor costs, and not have a conflict of interest with Arri. Arri has like a few hundred sensors manufactured each year, and Panasonic hopes go have a few thousands, thus leveraging economies of scale and tech specs to (substantially) lower costs. Sony does dual gain, but that's quite different. Also, I am not sure Canon supplies sensor to Panasonic (they could if they don't see issues with specific markets). I also vaguely remember Panasonic saying it's similar to Arri or something on those lines. Interestingly, while some testers are mentioning banding lines when pointed towards lights, I though that that's something that's visible for the majority of CMOS sensor. Maybe even super fast sensors like the Z9 or A1 would have it under certain scenarios (the A9 did, I clearly remember). People seem to notice it now, because one guy mentioned it and everyone is pointing it towards flickering LED light sources now. Maybe having different rates of lights and sensor readout acerbates the problem (use the Synchro Scan feature to figure the right frame rate and shutter speed for you?).
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Yes. Caleb mentioned that the new colour science is vastly improved.
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Selective bias. Also, I hope Panasonic release a chart like Blackmagic does for the Shadows and Highlights for the 4k and 6k cameras, helping understand where almost perfect exposure would lay (is allocated) apart from the histogram, across ISOs (especially for extended ISO).
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Waiting for Andrew's review. I believe he got to test the GH6 (for quite a while?).
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As shared by @webrunner5, watch this guy instead
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I thought his review was so exaggerated. He was like "when ypu want the best impossible image, M43 is dead". Whoa, it almost seemed like he was dumped today or yesterday.
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I noticed that from the pics online too. The OM-1 seems quite promising, though it could have done with a CfastCF Express Type cards (much higher buffer?), higher video bitrates, 4k at 120fps, a faster mechanical shutter, and a $1999 price tag to capture a larger market(?)
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"Latitude Dynamic Range Boost ON: 13+ stops (V-Log) Dynamic Range Boost OFF: 12+ stops (V-Log)Still Image Recording file formatJPEG (DCF, Exif 2.31), RAWAspect ratio4:3 / 3:2 / 16:9 / 1:1File size (Pixels)4:3: 5776x4336(L) / 4096x3072(M) / 2944x2208(S) / 11552x8672(XL) / 8192x6144(LL)3:2: 5776x3848(L) / 4096x2728(M) / 2944x1960(S) / 11552x7696(XL) / 8192x5464(LL)16:9: 5776x3248(L) / 4096x2304(M) / 2944x1656(S) / 11552x6496(XL) / 8192x4608(LL)1:1: 4336x4336(L) / 3072x3072(M) / 2208x2208(S) / 8672x8672(XL) / 6144x6144(LL)Image qualityRAW / RAW+Fine / RAW+Standard / Fine / StandardColor spacesRGB, AdobeRGBMotion Picture Recording file formatMOV: H.264/MPEG-4 AVC, H.265/HEVC, Apple ProResMP4: H.264/MPEG-4 AVC, H.265/HEVCAudio formatMOV: LPCM (2ch 48kHz/24-bit, 96kHz/24-bit) (4ch 48kHz/24-bit, 96kHz/24-bit)MP4: AAC (2ch 48kHz/16-bit)System frequency59.94Hz / 50.00Hz / 24.00HzImage area of videoFull / Pixel by PixelViewfinder TypeOLED Live View FinderPixelsApprox. 3.68 million dots Dynamic Range Boost ON / OFF ISO sensitivityStill image:[Normal]: Auto / 50 (Extended ISO) / 100-25600[V-Log]: Auto / 125 (Extended ISO) / 250-12800Motion picture:[Normal]:Dynamic Range Boost OFF (Base ISO 100): Auto / 50 (Extended ISO) / 100-12800Dynamic Range Boost ON (Creative Video Mode) (Base ISO 800): Auto / 800-12800[V-Log]:Dynamic Range Boost OFF (Base ISO 250): Auto / 125 (Extended ISO) / 250-12800Dynamic Range Boost ON (Creative Video Mode) (Base ISO 2000): Auto / 2000-12800[Hybrid Log Gamma]:Dynamic Range Boost OFF (Base ISO 250): Auto / 250-12800Dynamic Range Boost ON (Creative Video Mode) (Base ISO 2000): Auto / 2000-12800 (Standardoutput sensitivity)" Curious to know how effective the dynamic range boost would be.
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I saw the video again. Data rate doesn't seem to be mentioned in English numbers (unless it was in Japanese). At 6:39 or so he shows the ProRes recording option on the menu.
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The accompanying video by the japanese guy outlined a lot of the specs. I don't remember whether it had a frame of the ProRes though.
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I didn't realise the full specs were already shared. Seems quite promising. I am curious about the autofocus, the dynamic range and low light improvements.
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Your be glad to know that 14 stops is the theoretical limitation of a senior's dynamic range, because of the lens flare. So everyone claiming 17 stops, are just gassing. Without exceptional lens coatings on on all lenses of the various lens elements, it is apparently impossible to breach the 14 stops limit. "Camera DR is often limited by flare light, which is stray light in the image, primarily caused by reflections between lens elements." https://www.imatest.com/2019/07/making-dynamic-range-measurements-robust-against-flare-light/#:~:text=Introduction,by reflections between lens elements. That organic sensor was apparently a gas-guzzler/ battery leech, and the advantage of the organic sensor was mostly imaginary BS ala the Emperor's New Clothes. If anything the Blackmagic 12k is superb for what it does. It does 12k and 8k, and many other resolutions, many with no crop. If Panasonic did their homework well, they could have picked that sensor and tweak the circuit for improving things, for 8k. They were too busy chasing their imaginary organic sensor (Samsung btw has some interesting paper on an organic sensor, which seemed more promising, though not sure what happened to it).
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Didn't they suspend their Twitter account. Some over-reaction by corporations, who weren't too happy with leaks(?)
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On M43 rumours there are murmurs of the OM having the 20MP 120fps sensor with 2 stops improvement in low light, and the GH6 apparently slated for a 25MP sensor (for the 5.7k).