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This whole Craft Camera thing outlines some very interesting facts, namely: 1. That there is STILL a huge market for newcomers, especially in the $1000 price range (give or take $500), especially for cameras that have RAW or ProRes, and reasonably high dynamic range (12+ stops). 2. If they have Global Shutter, then that's like a Huge advantage. 3. Like I said on some other thread, the BlackMagic line opened up the professional market for others, and at this price point, the market is still pretty much waiting to be flooded with more cameras. 4. People can learn from the mistakes of everyone else, and stick to the basics, namely, a universal mount size (M4/3 or canon). 5. Have decent sound on board. It doesn't have to be excellent. 6. The form factor isn't that necessary, as long as it doesn't weigh a ton, and it is made for having accessories. 7. Early adopters and crowdfunding platforms really help. 8. Letting Film-making Blogs test it, also helps in a huge way, especially with regard to publicity. 9. There appear to be so many codecs that people can pick up, literally off the shelf, so I wonder what stops them from picking up ProRes or Cineform (some versions are free, apparently, so I guessing that should be explored), apart from the various versions of RAW. Craft's Vague Website, with absolutely no information, only makes things more suspicious, I guess I have always wondered how expensive M4/3 and APS-C sized sensors cost, as well as cameras, to mass produce.

Saw the video. You're right. The focus is strange. Almost causes fatigue to the eyes.

I bought the Shure for $255. Here, it is either unavailable, or in the $450+ price range. Like I said, if "Dual Mono", and a "very wide pickup pattern" is not an issue with you, you will love the preamps, and the ability to record a backup track (you can save it at 10-15dB lower than the one going into the camera, where cameras have headphone inputs). I hope that helps. I didn't realize (/know) that Martin Wallgren had such easy access to Panasonic. Then, maybe, we should All contact him/ troll him, on Facebook and Twitter, and ask him to take it up with Panasonic. I also suspect that the HDMI out is a dud, possibly even worse than the one on the Panasonic G7 I wonder if we should start Another Thread, for the purpose of letting Panasonic know, What they Should add to the GX80/ GX85/ GX7 ii, in terms of Firmware.

Andrew, there is some Glitch wrt to Uploading Pics from a Smartphone. I had to use a laptop, just to be able to Upload this Pic. Anyway, I don't know why people continue to create confusion, when everything is outlined so clearly. Please read and watch everything, and stop misinterpreting things. And, thanks ntblowz

I dunno why confusion is unnecessarily being caused. http://news.panasonic.ca/english/news/press/2016/20160405.asp I have a pic on my phone (downloaded), but is is NOT uploading. It shows a Photo of Dual Axis Sensor via the Lens and 5-axis via the body.

Interesting features.

I find the Post Focus feature on the Panasonic cameras far more sensible. And the post focus thing is not the stand alone feature.

What was the resolution of their post-focus camera? And could you share some pics?

I dunno why, but I find Lytro to be a very shady company. I find they over-advertise and then produce mediocre products.

I have the Shure LensHopper VP83f (what a bloody long name !!!). It has great audio quality, but it isn't a shotgun mic. My friend and I joke that it has a mysterious pickup pattern, that nobody has been able to solve yet (or that it is a Rode Video Mic X, that actually records in dual mono). The mic on the VP83f is extremely sensitive, and the preamps are very good. I guess, if someone can do sound separation in post, it can be used for recording rainforest kind of documentaries, considering how sensitive the mic is. Considering that most people who use the Cinelike D, and who push the setting to the minimum (-5), claim that the video starts falling apart in grading, I find that pushing the settings to minimum, in the 'Natural' Profile may be a better option. I am curious, though, to know where else the GX85 has cut corners. It has multi-exposure for photos (the G7 has 4-5, unline the 2 on other cameras). The GX85 also has a lot of them. I feel, that there is poor coodination between the Marketing Team and Technical Team of Panasonic, and that is one of the reasons may features are not highlighted or advertised.

My apologies too. I doubt whether it will have an active HDMI. It would eat further into the G7 and GX8 market.

Exactly. This particular thread has too many of off-topic discussions happening.

Whoa !!! If the Panasonic GX85 can do 3 hours of continuous recording, that would be a record. I saw that small fan to be attached to the Sony A6300. It looked crazy, but, apparently, it works. hehehe

Noticeably Better Image. Stabilized Video has already put the video above (G7 and GX8) them in terms of stabilization. Shutter shock along with removal of the AI filter has improved the image Considerably. People who buy the 16MP cameras may feel short changed (especially if they bought the camera recently), and people who bought the GX8 will wonder if the 4 MP is really such a noticeable difference. Theoretically, this should also show a (very) slight improvement in video. All reviewers are trashed regardless. Whether they were the Zacuto Shootout guys, or the DXO Marks labs guys, or the guys art Cinema5D. The only ones spared are the half blind guys, who have been in the business for almost a century or more. I guess, by then people don't really doubt your credibility. Or they don't care for your opinions. ''The LUMIX GX85 also enables 4K Live Cropping in video that yields stable panning or zooming while video recording. In panning shots, you can just set the viewing angle to start and end to get smooth panning imagery without using special equipment such as a slider. When zooming, you can set the after-zoomed viewing angle first, so that the subject can fit perfectly in the frame. Thanks to the digital operation, the imagery of zooming is smooth because it does not physically move the zoom lens." now when they talk about this, i assume they are talking in 1080p recording mode ? not one of the reviewers i've read have so far touched on this bit yet.. I read about this feature. It is similar to the one on the Sonys. A few other cameras have this too (JVC etc). It's the equivalent of having a zoom lens, while physically have a prime lens. hehehe Why would overheating be a concern? Have any previous Panasonic cameras suffered from overheating? I doubt whether it will have heat issues like Sony, but maybe it can do 20-30 mins without automatically shutting down (the Sonys actually cannot take more than 5 mins of short takes, over a 30 mins period, before they shut down, according to the various reviews).

I noticed some curious facts while going through information on the GX 85 online: 1. The Olympus compensates for upto 4 stops of shake (http://***URL removed***/reviews/bang-for-the-buck-olympus-om-d-e-m10-ii-review). The Panasonic compensates for 4.5 stops (http://***URL removed***/news/1947970008/panasonic-lumix-dmc-gx85-offers-16mp-sensor-with-no-aa-filter-and-redesigned-shutter-mechanism. Even in the video posted, in some frames the Panasonic looks more steady, and in some the Olympus. Also, a lot of testers of the GX8, found no difference using the lens stabilization on the GX8, as opposed to only body, or vice versa, especially for stills. So, this is like Olympus' 5-axis, rather than the GX8. Correction: In the Olympus models they vary, in the EM5 and the EM1s they compensate for 5 stops of shake as well. 2. The Olympus is unable to handle anything more than 1080p, for many reasons. The Panasonic does 4k, but it will overheat (I read it in one of the forums, though I think they read the literature on the Sony, than the Panasonic, since how can the Panasonic literature come out, before the camera does). I am guessing it may have a 30 min limit, also to do with overheating (I hope I am wrong). But, I doubt it will be anywhere near the unbelievably low shoot timings on the A6300 or others. 3. A lot of the photos from the GX85 posted online are quite over-saturated (some even suspiciously look like they have been made to look this, in post). I could be wrong, but I am guessing the removal of the AI filter along with the new shutter mechanism, has improved the quality of pics by more than 10% (more like 15-20%). This could sound disastrous for Panasonic buyers, especially of the GX8 and G7, who could be up in arms. So Panasonic is downplaying this. The good part is almost no reviewer worth his salt (or his credibility in Google AdSense or whatever other manner of measure) will be able to test this with clinical precision (without getting a horde of users and viewers abusing him and dismissing his credibility). 4. This is also the reason that Log Profiles and other Pro features have been disabled. I am guessing, they will have a Dud HDMI port (which will only play back on TVs via the HDMI-in or something), as the cherry on the cake, since they already removed the under $5 needed to put a mic jack. But, regardless of everything, for $799 this is a superb deal, especially since it comes with a great kit lens. I wish the Magic Lantern guys would just hack the Panasonics (G7, GX8, GX7, GX85) instead of the Canons, and give things like Log Profiles and 10-bit via HDMI internal. Sell it via an App on the App Stores, or paid via PayPal downloads. I can't think of why someone would not wanna pay for it. I know a lot of people paid Vitaly for hacking the GH2.

hahahahahahahaha Mattias is just generally in a bad mood. I saw his post here, or somewhere else, about the focus thing with the Canon 80D and I wanted to reply, but I realized that he is probably just in a bad mood, and curious yet harmless rant. Bro, go out and treat yourself to a nice cold beer. If you were in the same city, the beers would have been on me

Not dual pixel. The guy in the video is amazed that he can chose focus spots from the tablet/ phablet. Also, I could be wrong, but Dual Pixel, (for video,) more than being a thing about focus pixels with each light pixel, is actually about smoother gradations. Canon handles that really well. It doesn't suddenly jump. And, obviously hunting issues are not there (or extremely mild).

Hahahaha. Very likely. The mirrrorless gang (read Panasonic) has had it for years. Thus guy woke up recent. The legend of rip van winkle is a True story. hahahahahahahahahaha

It has 5-axis stabilization in the body itself, plus another 2-axis from the lens (New 5-axis in-body sensor stabilizer works with LUMIX 2-axis optically stabilized lenses in video and still capture modes using class-leading Dual Image Stabilization). Source: http://shop.panasonic.com/cameras-and-camcorders/cameras/lumix-interchangeable-lens-ilc-cameras/DMC-GX85K.html The lens is usually sufficient for photos (like in the GX8 test in some site). The 5-axis will be gr8 for video (it is, like tested by people already). Also, it actually means that you should be able to use some non-Panasonic lens, with very respectable (as good) stabilization, unless Panasonic has disabled it to save battery, or their lens lineup. Btw, this is from ePhotozine.com (https://www.ephotozine.com/article/panasonic-lumix-gx80-gx85-review-29143/performance): "We tested the in-camera sensor based 5-axis image stabilisation system, by using the Panasonic 20mm f/1.7 lens which lacks lens based image stabilisation, and we were able to take shots at 1/5th of a second and still get a sharp shot, which we were also able to match with the Olympus OM-D E-M5. The image stabilisation appears to work as well when using the continuous shooting mode as well. " I guess, now Panasonic officially matches the 5-axis stabilization of the Olympus cameras. I also hope the video stabilization WITHOUT Panasonic lenses is as good.

I may be wrong, but they excluded it then, because they believed that 4k (internal) would be an issue. They obviously solved this issue, it appears.

could you share the source. Also, I could not see a mic socket in the B&H pics.

I guess Panasonic somewhere it trying to save it's Premium Range (the GH series) from mid range one, so it conveniently disables some features. The G7 already does far better low light than the GH4, at half the price (with a kit lens), so they had to be careful. They have added 5-axis IS and a new shutter mechanism to the list, so they removed some stuff. With an Atomos monitor you can monitor the recording on the monitor, so that should not be an issue, I guess.

I am surprised, not not so many people are as excited about the Panasonic GX85. It seems to have solved two of the biggest issues with Panasonic cameras, namely shutter shock and in-camera stabilization. It will obviously move all these, and add a lot more to the GH5. But, for the $797.95 price tag, for the camera AND the lens, it's a superb deal. Atleast it doesn't overheat like crazy and become unusable well before 30 mins of continuous use, have terrible rolling shutter, and some curious color science. Though the lack of headphone jack is really a bummer. Panasonic would at best have saved $3 per camera. Like seriously???

Absolutely. This is So much more camera for $800 than almost everything else in the market. The only thing they didn't really include is a mic jack (apparently), which is bad, but then one can always use a mic like the Shure LensHopper VP 83af or something. Apart from that it seems very good for the price.

It seems to be. And it has a plethora of interesting features. http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/panasonic-gx85/panasonic-gx85A.HTM