Emanuel

I understand you're trying to decode RED camera company business on their practices and marketing strategies ; ) My contact with this company and the men behind is beyond our own 'online lives' if we can call it like that... LOL : ) I placed money of mine and my partners in their product to match dozens of commercial contacts between two sides of a business relationship as natural as any other going on with other parties. Real money, euros and dollars, not even cryptos! : D I had the chance to attend several meetings promoted by the brand. In one of them in Rome I even brought with me 5% of the people who attended the event. One of them is today one of the most promises of Italian cinema of nowadays. A former colleague who I met in my Master in Rome more than two decades ago. A friend I am used to be with, even in family inner circles. Not the case of RED team members, never happened, but I can surely confirm I've had the pleasure to personally meet and even talk about life in general with a few of them, that is, off topic not necessarily camera related. As usually happens with people we meet in our course of life. In my case since Moscow where I lived to New Zealand where I've produced. Without mention several friends we have in common in real life.

I never found that 'subject to change' policy much appealing to tell you quite frankly. I also understand life is a constant move anyway. I believe he intended to to something and his plans have changed. Hope not for health reasons now become public. This leads to some disappointments for sure. From my own experience I guess if the customer will address such concern to the company they will properly try to respond in the best fair way they can. It happened with me and others in the past. No complaints. On the contrary.

What about any opinion on this product against some other contenders out there?

I understand and even concur on the fairness of such point. Our viewpoint and interest as users : ) Someone on these boards joked with the case of the vanilla ice cream by Nestlé. Go figure if you're on the other side though... ; -) Pretty honest here: I think we should all struggle for our interests and perspectives but don't call me to subscribe character's assassination. Let's talk about ethics and morals? Very well. Along this thread some serious reputation attacks against some individual were produced based on supposed claims which evidences no one here had access if any. Is he here to defend himself? Any law student would be able to confirm this can't be accepted under any standard at any rate. I just can't speak about something I am not able to. Silence is also to consent anyway. For both sides. I realize some people have their scope on topic. No one is blaming anyone for that. It is even informative and healthy but when certain parameters are under our control, it can actually testify how accurate and fair our standpoint is. E : -)

It is in my native Portuguese language (idiom where the article is written) but I guess it expresses exactly my point on what we've been discussing here too -- about the time we all live in as far as the new sacred trinity (what a supreme blasphemy! LOL : ) technology/business/progress concerns: https://www.dn.pt/vida-e-futuro/ha-50-anos-enviou-o-primeiro-email-da-historia-agora-ve-um-lado-obscuro-na-internet-11456892.html

Unveiled today, to be launched on November 5 ... five cameras on the rear: https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_mi_cc9_pro_will_have_five_cameras_arriving_on_november_5-news-39830.php https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_posts_camera_samples_from_mi_cc9_pro_focusing_on_its_zooming_skills-news-39835.php

I understand Ed you may have access to some sensitive information which has triggered your alerts. People are not great all the time. I don't ignore that and the fact you've noticed it. You and many other people attentive to many injustices around the world. No idea, I can't testify ; ) The men I am aware, they are smart enough to self-criticism when due. I just don't give so much importance to such case because of my point of view on these two people. I am in touch with Jarred for a decade and a half now. He's a good man, this is something I really praise from a human being. Jim Jannard can look like a bit more distant -- that label of a billionaire doesn't help either : ) but at a certain point I wonder what is real, what is myth. Jarred's best friend can only be as friendly as him. Used to evaluate character of people from my five decades now and almost three since the end of my teens, a quarter of century in this industry. I assisted the bashing of his persona to the limits of nonsense on cinematography forums only because he is R-I-C-H (c'mon!) and he resisted, always polite. I was there. I like him. Really. I'd be dishonest with myself if I'd act as Simon (aka Saint Peter) did : ) I don't see our class of people involved in this business as some ethically above the average. I never stop to remind me Giuseppe Tornatore when he before to come to this playground thought people here can only be good people much earlier to realize only the movies are able to show or tell the truth. Comes to my mind now F for Fake by Orson Welles and out of curiosity made with Gary Graver aka Robert McCallum on many golden age hard core pieces. Of course, it's a 2nd angle on the same subject. No doubts on that. You know as filmmakers, we always tend to believe there are multiple perspectives on the same dimension and different layers there in fact : -) Let alone something so serious as reputation is. Thanks for your care on your words and consideration about myself as individual -- that counts to me : ) I've tried to put RED to not turn the back to Andrew for the contributor but also the human being he is. The same way I don't appreciate to see this brand to be attacked as I do read. They are necessary to this industry. I wish all the best to Jarred now as his friend and admirer of their work and efforts. I'd never arrive to my Blackmagic Pockets if not from their existence among us : -)

I've been used to appreciate your care on the effort put in your flags and dedication to your craft, I think you know it. BTW I hope one of these days to gather a chance for some collaboration together as hinted by some other user among us a while ago as virtuous documentary filmmaker you are : ) I don't see anything B&W. People are not perfect, obviously. But from angel to demon there's a huge gap in-between. The man I know he's an exceptional human being and very talented business man and ingenious developer, not a con artist. Sensitive and a decent guy. I speak by my own experience and from many others and someone's else stories I've heard as well. I obviously can't comment on that Lance Armstrong episode. But even that doping ethics, that doesn't break my heart either : ) Frankly, there are things which hurt my feelings much more serious such as refugees and migrants condition of nowadays, as for instance. There are people suffering if not literally dying to simply dream with a new life in the rich West and what are we doing? We elect crooks without a single respect for human life only to put them out of our sight. This is morals and ethics we should all concern about. This matters. Really. This has a direct influence on people's lives. I don't praise anyone without a solid background from my own experience and that coming from colleagues, co-workers and friends. The film is not available right now from any VoD platform, but you can order the Blu-Ray or DVD for 1080p and SD versions, respectively. You can drop a bell on my private messages box, I'll let you know where to buy. Thanks for your kind words and care (E : -)

With the respective differences, such RED hatred reminds me this recent one: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/10/ibm-casts-doubt-googles-claims-quantum-supremacy Who wants to buy a IBM today? When there's Google and their Androids? LOL Last but not least, I don't know where a few of you were in 2009, but I know where I was and I still keep my old tech useful without celebrating campaigns against whoever wherever be: A brand agnostic is not an idle voice : -)

Ed, you could never hear from me that he or someone else is superior to anyone. For a simple reason if not else, I don't take success as a rank to classify people. Some other attributes are much crucial to my sensibility and judgement : ) I don't know details on the Lance Armstrong story and I surely don't take as granted everything I read on Internet. For some reason I'd rather take my filmmaking background over my, or anyone's legal realm any time. Courts are the most unfaithful jungles out there. It doesn't shock me at all someone to lie under oath if so. There are reasons beyond our own understanding more often than we should. Ah the public... Instead, shocks me to know there are innocent people under death penalty because the system or someone decided so. And nobody or too little care. I don't have how to believe in Santa. As far as Andrew's episode, I've tried to bring any humble potential I can, using diplomacy between such two sides I have a friendly connection with, only in order to not result any harm to any one. Because they simply don't deserve. Both of them. They know what I think. I hope to not be disappointed. We're discussing RED because we live in a free society and someone has opened a thread on topic : D On Hydrogen project, it's a hybrid, we can't say the cup is full but is different to be half empty. I've heard it's a product ahead of its time, more than a phone outdated each six months (E : -)

Entrepreneurs create concepts, let alone jobs and tools when it's the case as it happened there. Offer and demand. Markets. Progress.

Yes, you're also right. Even though, let's not forget RED helped to 5DII came out as well as nathlas accurately left expressed, the most closer serious contender by then was EUR 103,000 (Cinealta F900) I well recall if not else because I was in the middle of a cooperative project only to afford one unit. I myself jumped out the RED wagon as far as investment concerns when 5DII just arrived. My purchase is from early 2009 and I even produced a feature shot on this camera model among several other projects shot on VDSLR as called then, this one ending where we aimed for once shot directly to the big screen: http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?121856-Kickstarter-campaign Still here are three threads by my initiative on reduser before I had joined Andrew when he created our community. The last one on a film-out report. The 2nd one counts among others with the participation of Graeme Nattress himself (the man behind RED's compressed RAW): http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?20506-More-Canon-5D-Mark-II-footage http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?22403-New-Canon-5D-Mark-II-samples http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?29404-5D-Mark-II

Sony charges higher for the premium : -)

*be bashed

I'm sorry my fellow of boards, but such comparisons are truly unfair to say the least. I've had my portion of personal contact with his people, work and company for a decade and a half now. Without mention to have had the privilege of private touch with the legend himself. Such antihero portrait is crappy lower resolution at best. Myth. Stinky sad one. Maybe if he would be a fool, he would equally bashed by usual detractors in a way or another. It doesn't make justice to the individual who some other people have dealt with for real in the world over here. On your compressed RAW remark, let's see: They were the beginners to do it. Any doubt? Nothing else counts for the matter. Would you do it in a different way? In the name of who or what? They only protect their property.

He's a legend made by himself. Without him, we'd never have the prices as low as we have today. I heard this from the mouth of a Sony VP in person. The story on his health needs which taken him away to his deserved retirement is not new BTW. Just made public now. He's a warrior, this fight has years. He didn't stop, he kept it going. As well his inventive market introductions. Massively distributed. Ahead of his time. Unique master of his craft. An example but for every producer. He is one of the key factors of the digital revolution. We owe him our tools of nowadays. We really should appreciate gratitude. It's disgusting otherwise.

What a combo to add to this device I really love... (well said BTW) Absolutely irresistible : -)

Fully understandable. Thanks for your report. A shame. I don't understand their communication. Really. Have shown my discontentment before as you well know. A happy camper brings some more to the party. One client lost is forever. E : -)

As much as I can enter in your house invited by you and someone else doesn't call my presence there. It's nothing about IQ. As much as I guess Netflix wouldn't refuse to serve their audiences with LVT's Idioterne shot two decades ago on DV: If someone here has anything to be financed by Netflix, please let me know. I can be interested to put my money there -- that is, who knows will my money get Netflix approval...?! Thanks LOL ; ) Maybe a faulty unit, Andrew? I am telling so because my P4K never had one single fail so far! So I don't see the reason why P6K version should? : -)

What a poison such internet can be... *sigh* Fortunately, there's real world out there.

Two completely distinct tech realms. Jim Jannard is an enthusiast. I realize some people don't understand him and become too obsessed with their billions. Not a good show to see. Really.

No matter a few passions of our own, I only think people should take a better scope on their human nature. No one is above that. Not even a single industry made by man. Technology is made by man. Economy too. So, includes that one. There are no endless ones. I find certain comments disingenuous but in all its extent to be rather honest over there.

Health is everything we actually have, but not unlimited to everyone of us. Money, more or less, just the capacity we are able to understand our skills have succeeded. Jim made us to realize how good and possible is to see our dreams to become true. E : -)