Emanuel

Of course, why not? ; ) Without mention we are both and everyone able to post here as Andrew's guests : ) This is a thread about how influential FF is now, the option B is every alternative elsewhere ;- )

Mirrorless form factor brought lighter devices... With the modern sensor tecnologies, grain/noise is under control, high resolution target is now at least on 6K video with no overheating... And price range starts today under $2000 for S5II/S5IIX at the active cooling side... : D See Blackmagic customers in the bargain on their turn, even them can also become FF users nowadays... Long story short? The fastest lenses.

As I've been telling you before, Marty, you have a particular sensibility/talent for handling colour, without mention framing... i.e., a very unique atmosphere of your own ; ) - EAG

When the user wrote that the focal reducer sucks, I guess it's because of the experience to have to couple more glass to the camera/lens setup... The point is that the now infamous : D 'medium format look' is often referred for the circle of confusion, which is something crucial going along optics, the border between what it is in focus and its visual impact (where all the aforementioned process of perception arises) with the bokeh (comes from the word boke, blur in Japanese) -- and let alone all the discussion about the quality of the bokeh itself, as much as colour rendition, etc.. Let's take this DoF tool in hands for the introduction of a 0.7x reducing factor: For some reason to deal with the real size of the 645D sensor, there's a negligeable difference with the film counterpart but a substantial distinction as far as the CoC concerns compared with FF. The larger it is the smoother the look will end. - EAG

For sure : ) Hence hybrid tools should be seen for video as primary scope of their natural target and not stills as usually is taken. A professional is someone than runs a craft for living whatever segment of business is.

Technical sense is different than saying from a technician sense or perspective... ;- )

Of course. But, when they want they give it to us, R5C was the answer to the R5 overheating problems. What comes first? IBIS or solving the issue? Still any doubts? Why not to buy one of these then? And when they don't put fans or don't care for thermal issues with an effective active cooling design, what can we expect? Yet, I am done with still photography coming first rather than motion picture for hybrid pipe dream. When this actually should mean quite the opposite. And if you/we're unable to work with stills without having control on motion at first grade in 2024, you/we're in the wrong business in all likelihood : ) Moreover, I am done with still photographers (and I am not completely outside of this bloody group when also shoot stills but don't sign the subscription) claiming or intending they come first than the rest of the crowd, like photography arrived first than cinematography... Phew. So what? Since Jim & Jannard launched the Digital Still and Motion Camera concept, the times have changed. Yes, tiptop audio is mandatory in a mirrorless camera and still photographers can go to the hell with their mantra! I'm sorry for my hard words but this has been one of the main problems of this segment of the camera industry. Many losers who are unable to handle moving image dictating how or/and where the manufacturers have to put their eggs. Something has changed the world. High-end is not the same throughout this last quarter of century, when from one hundred of users only 15 years ago to have access to a system born in the 6-digit realm, we have now millions of users receiving their last version of Resolve or/and prone to be upgraded and coupled to their affordable one or two grand camera. - EAG

I'd say this one in the U.S. 😆 and BMCC6K-FF are those the bets of today : ) Don't invite me for higher than that as far as price range concerns especially when overheating issues are far to be solved... : P Those are not professional capture devices, they are a pain in the ass, not a reliable camera for professional use. The use of lower resolution recording modes serves too little, these don't help either or why someone is buying them, after all?! : X

In the first shot, not the 2nd one though. It's some encoding trouble I believe. I don't think it's anything coming from the acquistion, I'd dare to guess... But there are people here more from the technician side than a producer/shooter so let them to speak out... ;- )

VAT... but U.S. in the most part of States also has sales tax, although much lighter...

Well seen, it should be the same, I guess.

Because battery dies... not else. If confirmed, this is the news to my book... Z8 has been outside from my radar because of my doubts on such an issue from user reports heard or read.

I think it's more a case of misunderstanding instead... No one called it magical, someone has decided to coin the expression based on those "feelings" ; ) a few other readers read the interpretation of that but not what people exactly said on topic. At a certain point it is not what people have written but what has been written those people said : D One side doesn't like the name the other side has called to it. And claims any introduction a large sensor size may bring cannot be called a look many identify as a specific one of its own. All that could easily be possible to be refuted if under same variables nothing would be added to couple a larger sensor size when it is actually not. :- )

*MFT (sorry for the dyslexia of my senseless word corrector : D)

Magical "medium format look" is different of medium format look... I'd rather call it larger sensor size look. I actually don't like anything closer of the definition of being categorized as format either. I believe that a small part of @eatstoomuchjam's beef against this manner of speaking is this. I haven't read anyone to call it magical anyway. That said, yet someone praising that route can still be in love for a platform like MTF is ;- )

Funny the way you ended your post... LOL ; ) Just a matter to give names to the things. I took sides because one doesn't invalidate the other :- )

I hadn't noticed of it yet such a loss... Just some minutes ago when I had the chance to search about him and received the shock of the sad news... : ( https://variety.com/2023/film/obituaries-people-news/john-bailey-dead-academy-president-cinematographer-1235787930/ https://theasc.com/news/in-memoriam-john-bailey-asc-1942-2023 https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0007037/ Got the unique chance to meet him along a workshop made at the Lisbon Film School about a quarter of century ago when his presence and his lovely wife and E.T.'s editor Carol Littleton brought a singular experience with this passionate couple of the world of movies and filmmaking. For a few days, we had the chance to hear them to talk about their work in two respective distinct workshops as Lisbon Film School's visiting guest lecturers throughout their personal experiences of their own, the way they met in the old continent they simply loved and their first meeting IIRC in Vienna, Austria. Ordinary People (1980), directed by Robert Redford in his feature directorial debut, The Big Chill (1983), Silverado (1985), The Accidental Tourist (1988), made with his partner in crime Lawrence Kasdan, Groundhog Day (1993) or Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters (1985), produced by Francis Ford Coppola and George Lucas, directed by Paul Schrader with whom he also helped to make American Gigolo (1980)... https://theasc.com/videos/lighting-tech-tips-household-lightbulb-russell-carpenter-asc-1/john-bailey-asc-the-stylization-of-mishima Among a few of the case studies in those memorable days I really miss his input in that week from the bottom of the heart. Long farewell dear John, it was great to have had the happiness to know a bit more of your presence among us. Never forget the humble character typical of yours expressed in the way you addressed to each one of us, your workshop attendees whether classmates or the other film school instructors, you added no distinct treatment as used in those customary elitist circles more often than it should. Your vivid enthusiasm in that close personal and direct communication face to face stands in our memories, as well your helpful advices to bless our careers, always plenty of generosity, love and endless good faith, a big thanks! < 3 - EAG

Things don't need to be uncontroversial to not be or become "imaginary"... : D Other than that, well, who can deny it? Imaginary stuff is what pictures are made of, isn't it? LOL : ) EDIT -- haha @mercer we both didn't let slide... The like button had already been triggered this time anyway ;- )

I really struggle to understand why you insist to not see the fallacy of that... : ) You are accurate on your point. Nobody can deny. No jokes for this paragraph. Magical "medium format look". OK, who has here call it like that? The only point you take your chance to call ignorants to other people and write from a superior position where you don't lose a single opportunity to intend such place for yourself, is the one everyone agrees, yes Master! : D Half way now ; ) So, a larger sensor size introduces zero add-ons when the other variables stand. Right : X

So, time for more show off now? : D I am a professional producer for three decades today. Film and TV producer. I have produced along MORE than only one from those key players of the mainstream of this industry. I will even omit to publicize now the names of them here because feels so ugly such an unnecessary silliness for these boards' sake. This is a reasonable discussion not a decadent show, please. My work and background (not only from a full 4-year program at the film school among a few other postgraduate and craft qualifications with first-rate ASC members used to see their work to be nominated/awarded by the Academy BTW beyond A-class film festivals or BAFTA, among others) are public and at the distance of a single click. As photographer/cinematographer, I have shot since the decade of 80 of the last century since film to digital in practically all main formats used in the business. Narrative and documentary. As closer of pure artistic as possible. Not fashion nor commercials, hence medium and large formats are not formats I am used to, as shooter per se. But... Why Bazin? Because you don't need to ever shoot a single frame to be entitled to give lessons. Yes, I have been hired to cross international borders to teach other people how to work with any single camera in the world. Trust and mark my words, never had to make a single phone call to make it happen ; ) Bazin would be entitled to teach you what you don't know. To you, to me too for sure. About medium and large formats you're familiar with for two decades as you say. The problem with your posts doesn't look like to strictly be from a technical side of the craft. But a craft is far to only be such an important aspect, i.e., it's not the only one. Got your point. I even think no one here fully disagrees with you. You're just claiming both a certain terminology used is wrong and the use of a larger sensor size doesn't add any to the equation whereas glass (or other variables such as distance to the subject I've called tricks and someone else tried to infer as some improper jargon when it is not) may not balance it. The discussion hasn't evolved yet to match the agree to disagree path because of lack of tolerance with and people struggle to figure out. Technique is based on variables. Each one introduces some characteristics for a certain purpose or effect. A larger sensor size no less. What's so hard to accept people may call it something you think as not adequate? LOL : ) Let alone the fact it'is not even far from the reality the adoption of that exact nomenclature. Ah OK, because you see it strictly from a technical POV (we cannot call it exclusively scientific because math is not the only science on Earth ; ) but at same time, that standpoint looks : P to completely ignore perception as some specific reality and TBH subject of some other multiple sciences of their kind. Without mention the case study, coming from a method eminently scientific as far as the introduction of variables into an equation concerns. - EAG :- )

Well posted, thank you! ; ) The fact you have a point doesn't mean some other point about both the use of a terminology or some realm outside the knowledge you have, makes you know about this specific topic more than the other side. That's all about that ;- )

@kye it's useless, the most funny is that people who think this way (I don't mean it's the case of this fellow because I don't REALLY appreciate to say anything about someone I have no clue about, other than this poster knows Tarkovsky exists, so double shame on such a level of arrogancy then... nonetheless, keeps the need for more often the 'fucking' word written everywhere or is not cool enough LMAO : D), they think they are aware of knowledge they usually even have ZERO clue that exists -- hence that remark on aesthetics/philosophy above ; ) The fact is though that we need a microscope to see that imaginary world to only exist in the head of a scientist. @eatstoomuchjam Thanks for introducing Scheimpflug anyway. Never heard about him before. What about André Bazin? Have you ever read anything about him? Because I guess you had heard about this guy who knew more about film than all people after him and as DoP never shot nor directed a single frame we had noticed from. That said, film is far to be mere technology, whether everyone like it or not. - EAG

Those who ignore philosophy as science will struggle to identify any branch of it, namely aesthetics as something non-existent. If it is non-existent, why the hell there's any need to learn or even think about it? : D - EAG

LOL Loved the way you and @PannySVHS address the arena BTW ; ) Speaking of devil, Paul Lockhart, a mathematician, someone who uses an extensive knowledge of mathematics in their work, mathematicians so to speak but also everyone of us simple mortal users, he once stated: "Doing mathematics should always mean finding patterns and crafting beautiful and meaningful explanations". Understanding is the ability to catch sight of something aka comprehension. But also sympathetic awareness/tolerance. Yet, math is a language, just not the only one. Math is basics. One doesn't necessarily exclude another one outside. Trouble comes when people see the things solely built on rankings. They lose the sense of ridicule. - EAG

Egos are a bitch. A bloody trick. The competition of dicks is of no use as a methodology for learning.