Emanuel

Indeed. CinemaDNG lossless would surely be too : ) Nothing against softness approach to create cinematic pictures. We can apply it or not with the tools we have, not else though. Without mention the introduction of artifacts such as moiré and aliasing. Take a look in those tests from the 2nd link there, no doubts on. It is what it is.

You should include CinemaDNG as well. Yet more crystal clear:

In a word: WOW I am pleased and proud on your behalf. @Andrew Reid surely too. This forum has made history. Where are you Mr. Petty? @CaptainHook @John Brawley

Please let us know your finds : -)

Lightweight helps. Touchscreen AF works as silk even though depends a bit on the lens firmware you pick. They don't behave all the same. The newer the better. https://www.thephoblographer.com/2018/03/07/lens-review-7artisans-50mm-f1-1-leica-m-mount-and-used-on-sony-fe/ http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2018/05/02/the-china-summi-cron-7-artisans-35mm-f-2-for-under-400-review-by-casey-cavanaugh/ What deal have you ordered?

It rather depends on your shooting style. I've found a 250-300 grams lens a good match for P4K handheld comfort when 550-600 grams weight seems a bit some other camera ballpark range when coupled to the 722 gr. native camera : ) Manual lenses work pretty accurate with that big monitor and effective focus assist bonus and 7artisans lenses the best bargain you can find on the light side to match the heavier cine-style Rokinon offer.

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The things we know... LOL ; ) Keep you all safe : ) The world became crazy all in a sudden in the last couple of decades : (

From Serbo-Croatian: "People are often trapped in their own feelings." ~ Tamara Stamenković

If we shoot CinemaDNG lossless, how many minutes length we can expect as average going with VBR HQ for archive @ post? If we shoot lossy 4:1 CinemaDNG, would there be any chance to still save space in disk without losing 4K DCP output in mind? If so, what slimraw route?

What maximum compression ratio would you recommend in order to a 4K DCP with no need of VFX?

You have slimraw to handle it:

Q5 is the new Jack-of-all-Crafts tool, a true Swiss Army knife indeed. In any way whatsoever, cDNG would benefit this capture device as a more powerful amphibian vehicle I'd much really love to not lose it : -)

Right. That's also where I believe cDNG coupled to slimraw will shine over braw at my first bet. Correct. Reason why we can have less where there's more, not vice versa. People always call for '1080p enough' mantra without clue what they're asking for ; ) That's the whole point : ) P4K doesn't shoot lossy cDNG (nor lossless) anymore in any way other than as going back to 6.1 firmware version. In such case, is slimraw able to match braw file sizes as well the same amount of minutes length as for instance for 4K DCI 24fps 5:1 compression around the 110-120 minutes range per 500GB? Quality-wise, enough for movie theater screening with intense color correction / grading work even though without VFX needs?

Pity they haven't left cDNG all way long too. Nothing beats such old recording modes, especially lossless but also cDNG 3:1 or 4:1 included.

Do that RED cap or that sound capture + score (about minute 3:45 provided by Martin on Philip's video) make any sense?

No worries, he will be back one of these days. It is mere show business and show off at same time. Rather than a circus for real, he has invented this one, he won't retire himself very likely ; -) Nothing against that. Just don't appreciate to create expectations and deceive people. When we say we do anything, we're going until the end of the world to make it or better to keep silent : -)

Yeah, light glass makes more picture shots in the end of a whole day, that's for sure, no matter the size of your muscles ; -)

I understand your disappointment. All that marketing seemed to me a joke all way round. There's the need to be rather serious when someone's else put their own money on it. Respect applies. We can't kid with sensitive stuff, especially when there's money involved. And reputation. A whole industry's. If not major players, small ones like myself and my own ventures. As much as you and your great product : ) We don't deserve this, neither the hours spent with our hard work : -)

Link fixed now: https://www.newsshooter.com/2019/03/16/cinemartin-to-close-due-to-bankruptcy/ Confirmed by Johnnie: https://***URL not allowed***/cinemartin-is-closing-its-gates-due-to-bankruptcy/ Sounds fishy. How Señor Martin didn't know what's going to happen just a couple of months back along such that last announcement?! I wouldn't even classify them as industry players. I'm sorry if I look like elitist but let's give credit to whom is worthy. And serious. : -)

I don't find it that way to be honest, here's a sample shot on P4K from a PXY file:

You're welcome : ) You kaylee or anyone here who may have the need, don't refrain to drop a bell in these pages or feel free to send me a PM at least. A friendly hug even at the distance of a keyboard when not else is possible at the moment can warm someone needing for support of another fellow user. That's the real meaning of community, there's life beyond cameras and the heart of a filmmaker geek (E : -)

Yes, 4K: DCI and UHD. OK, so let's set up 5:1 compression as big screen requirement for 4K then. I've also arrived to similar conclusion as reported. Which means better to avoid lossy compression in-camera? I meant quality-wise. .braw seems lower quality, I bet. Competition is part of the game. Impossible to not compete if you offer something better. Does this mean the lower resolution the lower compression needed? Why not with Blackmagic cameras too? How to not see it as serious contender to the .braw workflow?! : ) Won't this save disk space in the end? If so, how much will the ratio be? LOL I guess there's a quality freak inside each P4K owner... ; ) In conclusion, what's the best method to save bytes as highest quality as possible other than VFX? Lossless cDNG in-camera acquisition + Lossy 5:1 as for instance? Or some other compression ratio? -- What else then? 4:1 or 3:1 cDNG (any of both obviously lossy modes) in-camera recording + slimraw later on towards to archive / post? -- If so, what setting route? Lossless (slimraw)? What additional compression ratio? Let's put big screen and intense color correcting / grading without the need of VFX as only paradigm now.

PS as disclaimer: I obviously intend to let clear that equivalent minutes length only comes later at post and under GBs form, of course. But, these new SSD of nowadays are true digital camera magazines as matter of fact, isn't it? ; -)

Very useful indeed. Easy to understand as well. My hat, mate : ) I see you have new customer(s) here, I believe. I am looking for three levels quality to know: Quality A / QA: - Green screen for VFX work; Quality B / QB: - Motion picture acquisition for intense grading work towards movie theater screening; Quality C / QC: - Casual shooting for further use as stock footage to fit any serious professional project later on wherever platform is (including big screen/broadcast, printing stills, etc). I had found Q0, 5:1 and Q5 respectively the .braw answer to my needs. What about slimraw? You wrote: "When shooting a Blackmagic camera which allows for both lossless and lossy raw with the intent of passing the raw footage through any of the slimRAW lossy compression modes it is best to record lossless CinemaDNG in camera". Does this mean should we avoid to record cDNG 4:1 or even 3:1 in-camera? You also say there: "But if you are doing recompression (for example, when the source is Blackmagic lossless CinemaDNG) the resulting ratio will depend on the level of compression in the source files. For example, if the source is 1.5:1 losslessly compressed, and 3:1 is selected as target, then the result will be approximately 2:1 (or down 50% of the original size, for a total ratio of 1.5*2 = 3:1)." From that table: source: https://www.bmpcc4k.tech/ If we use your VBR HQ (for my QB usage above) let's take 3.5:1 as average compression, once cDNG compression by Blackmagic rounds 1.6:1, we'll end with about 80 minutes (more or less in the .braw range), correct? How can we extend that without losing any quality towards my QB table trying to match 5:1 at .braw side at least? Is it safe going with recompression? What slimraw setting? Would cDNG 4:1 or even 3:1 acquisition + VBR HQ be a possibility and safe enough to match my QB standard and goal?