Emanuel

People are not perfect, mate. I wish we could : D Well, that would be much of a boring world, I believe :-D When I mention 'indirect invectives', you know very well why : ) Your posting is above the line. I mean it seriously. Your background shows a much higher education than the average here or anywhere else. So it is natural you retain the profile of other posters in a different way than others. But this applies for your provocations as well. It is a double-edged sword. The same for the use of a non-native language in our written expression mode. For example, "invective" in my mother tongue has a much lighter meaning. This will produce misunderstandings between people at distance behind a keyboard and a mouse. I know this would be much different face to face in the real world. So we need to make an effort trying to mimic it here. To refrain ourselves of a dangerous vibe to send indirect messages which can hurt some other party. Egos must also be under control. Even because they don't pass indiscreet to the eyes of a smart reader and we are all clever interpreters here, ain't we? :-)

Let's moderate the tone of accusations addressed to each other, OK? I speak in general for everyone, myself included if/when necessary. Respect is good and keep the teeth in the right place. Ad hominem attacks only show weak arguments or the complete lack of them. Indirect invectives to inject and fuel the rupture don't help either. People are here to have fun and make friends, not the opposite! :-)

This is going out of control, I see. First time ever I've heard about threats here or any other forum I frequent. I think this calls the intervention of moderation to use the conversation method to begin with in order to calm down and prevent the conflict escalation. Going higher if/when strictly necessary to also follow the respective understanding of the facts especially when there are visible communication barriers to comprehend people from different parts and much distinct linguistic backgrounds in the use of a 2nd language included. Diplomacy applies. I also believe Andrew as owner of this place will appreciate to know whatever is going on behind the curtains. We visit his home after all. This care is not only there. Begins here at first place. Where inflammatory replies -- insidious provocations to somehow quote someone else but requalifying the meaning should also stay away. To take position is one thing. To fracture another one. But then we are talking about something else, not cameras anymore. I'd suggest you might add print screens on that you claim. No need to post the whole dirty laundry not even the name of the user as you've paid the attention to. Only the threats. No more need to flame the hordes here. We could evaluate the whole thing much better. On the other hand, persuasive techniques handling the conflict usually work out more efficiently so this can refrain to become repeated experiences over again, even as example for the future. PS: You beat me with your post, Mattias. Good from you to come here and drop your entry to clarify and tell from your angle once disclosed.

Indeed, I believe we should cultivate here polygamy, healthy attitude to have with cameras... :-)

I guess all footage there is shot on the model to advertise, no other makes much sense to me or everyone when there's a professional product to promote, isn't it?

I'm all out of likes by now, so my double like expressed here now : ) Dogmas can be a real bitch! Open mind is useful even for religious stuff :-)

These guys deserve our best fanboism, I must confess, I love Fuji! My deep fanboism syndrome says to you to take a look on that really basic macro shot on 0:46 in the next clip below... Others can do it but it is like Oreo or BMW, there's similar but no other's the same :-) We all know there are better acquisition devices with extra features, one of them my beloved GH5 with 4K/60p or internal 10-bit 4:2:2 when not for fast frame rates, but I am still in love for any picture from any Fuji camera. I wish all camera manufacturers may give us their outcome look. Or maybe not. Because we couldn't be here to praise their superior (let's go all on to forbid pure reality made by 8-bit imagerie) color science :-D In a bit more serious footnote now: don't worry too much on 8-bit when you have a superior bit rate to reach enough standard to mimic or alternate the real world out there within certain variables under control :-)

On topic, I only know what I read and think about it. To Caesar what is Caesar's. When people try to misplace science for territory of subjectivity ends in some mess as this thread now. We are not perfect. But the most perfect method is the scientific method indeed. Certain conclusions are not evidences though. Neither polls. Democracy doesn't apply for everything. Knowledge is not a democratic system. I wish. The world would be much more simple as it is. Reality too.

Math is not opinion. Neither science is democracy. And fascists... you said? Oh, fascists are a dirty class we need to avoid from the most inner part of ourselves. Even those who feel above the line in disguise of decent people. When their attitude (that's the clue!) shows something much different ;-) About that one addressed to me now? ; ) Let's go: I don't see much difference between your fan basis there on YT and in this forum to be sincere with you. I'm sorry to have to tell you here responding you now that I follow your posts on both for longer than you tend to guess :-)

Apart any controversy in particular, you're right on the spot with this one... LOL Neat crazy thread, this one! : ) From now on, every truth fits because of democratic opinions : D A new scientific method is born... the democratic method to have (or make? hehe) science! :-)

So despite the initial text posted, we ain't speaking about crowd then... ; ) What distinguishes them from the forum crowd here (inferred from that "in the non forum world", as written) ? ;-) Each one is entitled to his/her own opinion, correct. This doesn't mean the opinion is accurate though... :-)

I wonder if people out there are aware about what some features like 'Dynamic Range' mean... : D In any case, as just posted in another thread, reliability (my 1st option ever to begin with) cannot be in the same line with ergonomics (such subjective thing) because they are quite distinct aspects to consider so this will obviously lead to somehow other poll results: On the other hand, the weight of preferences must also be evaluated for the reading to take from here, that is: When we set an option as ours, this doesn't mean we don't praise some other else in a similar or close way, so multiple choice for more than one option must be taken as valuable path. If not, for certain polls, the results can end rather distorted when some variables ain't taken in consideration. Even because reliability can be my very own 1st specs list pick-up item but this doesn't mean when this is already guaranteed, other features may not be much more relevant to me. It is unlikely we are looking for a 2nd pizza if we already finished a 1st one. Dessert will apply then as next step. Go figure the first thing to ask in a Pizzeria would be the dolce... LOL The same way people often have children as second level ; ) on their lives to follow the 1st row when having met the best 2nd half. And so on. No billionaire will be worried with millions anymore after to have completed the 1st billion or at least we expect or think so ;-) When reliability is basis for. Common to all or most part of the players, we can discuss the leftover. Even though not everyone is going after the same for some other needs. As for instance, no special reliability is needed for a crash cam... :-D

I see color is placed in the 2nd choice of users to follow dynamic range. Build quality means reliability, it should not be misplaced with ergonomics because they are mixed up stuff. If I would have had the option for reliability per se, I'd have chosen it straightaway. Ergo is pretty subjective. What fits you is well able to not match the taste of anyone and vice versa.

Word. Some are only innocuous tests like the customary flowers, children and cats, though : ) On the hardware differences, there's nothing we can't obviously do but as already stated, nothing some other workaround gear may not solve within certain limits. For some reason we need to couple some piece of glass there to begin with ; ) Not really convinced there are substantial differences on the Dynamic Range level or even highlights rolloff. Dual ISO is there, is real and sweet, not mere marketing as I could read here by Sony clientele basis, despite that. I believe the problem for the other fellow here or under that respective angle is not the 2500 mark but the difference (500 for the case but could be another one) the buyer doesn't feel like to afford. Not because the client can't or have no clue how to pay for it : D but certain principles still apply. It is not a matter to discuss if a firmware will or not to overcome it. Panasonic followed Sony. Why? Is it possible to overwhelm that with the next upgrade GH6 series step? Only then? What about adjusting the price difference between both versions of the same camera model? Well, to begin with, they are not actually the same camera, but two distinct ones. They share the same market range anyway. Only a nonrestrictive strategy on the market segment or a new pricing policy might be the answer. However, as a few have already predicted, it is even possible their GHx series price will end higher once as you Jon have fairly pointed out now and many of us have been restless to defend here and everywhere: 2500 bucks is a no-brainer deal for what this acquisition device delivers at this level. Last but not least, the prices are beyond the traditional 4/3" format framing because of their video abilities. The ease of cheap adapters to couple practically any single mount system also help this to happen. A certain thing is for sure though: they would have to rethink their margins if they would feel their competitors are coming tougher and closer to them. To my view, that's where they still end their decisions as far as we've seen on their GH5/GH5S dichotomy so far. Much more than large pixels size vs higher resolution sensor or lack of IBIS with ridiculous excuses or as you wish, they start or could end exactly there.

Fully agreed. Internet is a much more interesting place nowadays than film school was a few years back when film was around. There's no excuse to not create today (E :-)

@anonim Yes, keep the regular GH5 inside the ISO1600 limits with fast glass and an affordable focal reducer adapter like Viltrox as for instance and you'll have the same GH5S performance for that piece : ) Finely shot as much as that one by Filippo, of course :-)

LOL Man, when I will be hired by Panasonic you are next : D that is, if you won't enter before me, I would recommend that! :-) Jokes aside, it is a beauty to see these cameras at this level to produce this outcome, no matter the manufacturer. Something you have with Panasonic though: they don't mind to implement in their lower level certain features presented in their high-end. Let's keep our hopes in high for their new 8K organic sensor! This attitude is truly valuable. It is worthy to bet on their system. Unfortunately not every camera maker act in the same way, here's an example to follow, so it rather is. With a certain information from industry inside or the way they think their business for more than 25 years now, I'd say IMNSHO Sony and Canon (mainly since the C-line of products for the motion picture sector) are the more reluctant (not necessarily the most, especially Sony after their fasting when their Trinitron trump was over) to follow Panasonic's legacy for filmmaking. Better now in the digital realm than before but not yet at their level.

@anonim Indeed. Thanks for posting! : ) From Fujinon glass... hehe Filippo, old dvxuser fellow and the filmmaker chosen by Panasonic to promote EVA1 from his footage skills, is one of the most delicious digital painters known by us geeks of a certain kind to offer the best each release he puts his hands-on. This camera is a hit. Pity they had charged a premium 500 bucks though. No excuse will avoid you of that way as you wish anyways. I put my hopes on the upcoming a7SIII but I guess Panasonic will still be a most secure choice, no matter how much they will try to overcome certain issues as overheating a smaller tight camera design won't give so much room for.

@Trek of Joy Great post Chris! : ) Glad Jon's post gave you the chance for. I am a sincere admirer of his insights for their uniqueness. @UncleBobsPhotography's point on bit rate already spoken earlier here is also part of the equation. Andrew has also recalled the grace of H.265 and its efficiency, positively confirmed by Matthew just now. Hadn't had time yet to read all of you. Don's highlight on a sorta affordable 1DC is a very pertinent scope FTW. Filmmaking is a combo. Certain variables are much relevant than other ones, for sure. As Jon wrote using other words, no camera justifies other priorities as far as gear concerns. As much as shooters vary in degree and shooting circumstances or workflow or as you Chris wrote even time for in their needs. Fuji's color science coupled to a much better bit rate and codec gives us something more. Horses for courses. Let's forget slow motion with them as Andrew's comment finely confirms in a line. This can't serve as excuse to start selling some other tool completely misplaced; maybe not, time but room here. You're right on this one :X I wouldn't either if I would misquote someone only to diminish the man because of the point I am not agreeing with. Don't kill the messenger, dude, Hit The Road Jack! ; ) Why the hell someone needs to praise someone else's Lord in another church?! This is a Fuji camera's topic last time I checked. Guess what? Doing the same in one of the countless GH5 or GH5S' threads *rolleyes* Don't let my triumphant usual mode, you say, to become foolish on your system (adjectives are a bitch! NaN) nor fool you : ) I am a truly optimistic good fella :-D Just know my dear colleagues of this thread know am still one of the usual posters there as GH5 series supporter too ;-)

LOL I'd love to choose a mirrorless system for its (superior... ah forbidden word! ; ) color science but I can't *crybaby* (now :D) It is a pleasure to read your colorful juicy posts as usual, much better than when you are all out of likes hehe ;-)

Seems pretty decent, even though Johnnie Behiri had found the version he got access only inconsistent. Devices require a fair learning curve so I guess we'll find better samples in most skilled hands-on from then on. Two's company, three's a crowd. So many posts later along this thread, I am really flattered by this time... The last or almost every single post from yours contempt citations from my own posts, you're a loyal reader I see. I thought all that because of a tool... You're fully right on that one: how naive I am! *Sigh* (may I? :D) So, I am in doubt which one to choose right now LOL Man, I won't sleep tonight. My babbling dictionary is all out of entries to follow you after hours here, I'm sorry hehe Where exactly sits the playground we met before? A déjà vu crosses my mind ; ) on February 12 (same deal, same bitch, page 9, not too much or never enough?!... after all, tools like guns, triggers, etc don't kill, men instead do) you had advised me to not going on some "uber-patriarch" style you dislike, because of that our good sailor "here in EOSHD" as you wrote "in the incarnation" of some "intonation" you're not colored with, we could all read. My deepest feelings, I'll try my very best to keep the topic (Hit The Road Jack, not the man, so never you!) in my thoughts and prayers if I find a place for such :-D "Life's more complex than an arc of a screenplay" (~ Ben Wheatley) Hard to find twice the same color (E :-)

So you played with a Fuji camera and are you still in doubt? Sorry to say but once you play with their colors, not easy to look for outside anymore ; ) To my view, 4K 50p/60p is their major missing feature to pair with those anamorphic modes you find on GH5 but not on GH5S though, even more than 10-bit 4.2:2, the most professional touch on Panny side. About the leftover... they are peanuts, ergonomics included. AF doesn't count, even now with the new workaround found.

LOL What have you written, Dennis?! Don't dare to say a Fuji camera is better than any of the usual suspects when people already left their pennies for, especially in such sensitive case... Don't you see is soooo videoy here too? hehe Fuji can't be more cinematic than any other because it is not! :X As simple as that :D when people simply don't let it be so... *cough cough* Remember, it is 8-bit! Don't dare to say highlights rolloff are sweet and look like smoother than GH5 either. Even if you and me, we have been two of the best supporters Panasonic may afford... without demanding payback points to redeem whatsoever ;-)

If you have VAT number at your disposal, it will cost you less than EUR1600 net from UK : ) GH5 is cheaper though. More versatile one as well. GH5S instead will end in that price range.

Indeed. As written earlier above-posted, that's a pretty advantage not easily found with other players or even any other camera manufacturer out there. Their color science is their major asset, my dear fellow of these boards, @anonim :-)