Emanuel

It will come. Sooner or later but will come... :-) Certain PR reps make us to feel children, uneducated or retarded... Make a triple pick LOL

David, my English pops up as foreign language so maybe non-native English may explain it? I guess under-X competitions bring that inaccuracy or misunderstanding? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_European_Under-21_Championship Hey BTW perhaps other English speakers can join for a hand to someone always willing to improve and learn :-)

On native ISO2500 or even higher, for sure because GH5 will always show less than any GH5S value. Doesn't necessarily more than 12 stops. But as you said, we'll know very soon.

Finally, I'm reading now someone to firmly concur my POV on topic, already expressed earlier in these pages. I could just diverge on the idea they don't matter to lose GH5 sales when I actually believe they're pointing their business decision only in order to collect much more money into their own pocket, not exactly the best to their customers' bank account. Sure, there's no charity organization over here. Takes for both sides as well. It is what it is. This won't put me out to have pre-ordered the GH5S as the best cinema camera available for the price, but doesn't let me the part of fool to play either :-)

Sure, as much as a billionaire will miss anything if only millionaire... : D I recall when people were used to shoot on film, besides the fact I concur noise can look very filmic too, Blackmagic noise @ low light included.

Well, isn't it the same thing...? LOL (under means up to a certain value as much as to say a teenager is under 19 or a camera under $10K can cost anything 'under' $10,000 included... I must confess certain posts fully puzzle me :-D) And no, the ISO12800 comes directly from the OP's video description. Wanna be picky? Let's be 100% accurate then. Under 100% is too little ;-)

Better to leave it stuck on 2500 going with the GH5S... :-D

Which one...? All of them as answer is not valid. 2nd question: And at what ISOs? ;-)

Life is a bitch. You ain't virgin anymore so no matter what, people will never forget the way they met you(r noviciate) for first time ; ) If you expose to the right, you'll struggle to see the infamous noise your nightmares warn you about :-)

David, nice scope you have on topic. I thought that had been written by me (except the fact you left the REDs outside), can you imagine? My finest vote would end on Blackmagics anyway. They fully deserve it! @IronFilm

They will keep their GH5 model on high. That was their strategy and will work.

Hope they had addressed such problems on that one.

[PS] Well, I see such low light technology brings a new aesthetics approach... The question is if that's good or not under this particular perspective. Night life all shot in the same way is... boring to say the least.

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Here's more GH5S footage shot under ISO12800: O

Hey Don, I've just been trying to be silent on that one before to end crucified by the usual Sony boys, no more no less ;-)

Jon, there are two features I really miss on the GH5s version: IBIS and the upcoming 4K/60p 10-bit, even though we may workaround that 2nd one and I believe not technically possible yet into GH series but for soon, let's also hope so : ) Lack of IBIS is much more a PITA, unfortunately... 2x GH5/GH5S bodies is the only solution I find to overcome the trouble. Which means to have the better cinema camera as B camera :-D Here's their "technical excuse":

I liked that 2nd part of your post : ) Indeed ;-)

LOL I love the way you point out exactly on the other side of the coin :-) *coug cough* Buy two body units and you'll have no need to deal with no IBIS in daylight or up to ISO1600 :-D

I hope you may come then to inform us, the_people. BTW, what's the story with the GH5 I have no clue about?

LOL On the spot, pal! I had just quoted him so pretty affirmative... As much as you I think, I give all my best going after doubts rather than certainty based on presumptions spread by, in and on the web : ) And charts. To reduce real shooting conditions. I already had my part on that thread related to GH5 NR @ high ISOs despite its success. Fortunately there's a new hope now :-D

Until then, we should take in consideration the GH5S father's word, no? BTW, still on GH5S vs a7SII consideration... a 10-bit higher bitrate code + Dual Native ISO with the whole DR at disposal on both 400 and 2500 ISO values make the whole difference as far as color rendition concerns at least. This is not too little and the comparative tests so far just prove it. DPreview tool is absolutely weak to show anything else beyond that you mention. I got it, Jon, not addressed to you :-)

Sony? What the hell Sony is related to their sensor? Haven't you followed the thread? It is time to end the myth that's a Sony sensor, I guess :-) LOL At same time, Jon... We... who?? His "mystery solved" remark is all about the performance of the new sensor and not else, I believe. PS: BTW, it's only 400 bucks: VLog L comes included ;-)

@Don Kotlos Correct. As above-posted, economies of scale are the "reasonable excuse"...

LOL No more likes for today, I even had to remove a couple of them (sorry, Luke!) Nice one Zak, exactly! I guess that's why I've already pre-ordered mine... hehe ;-) In a more serious note now and in a word: business. Let's accept that because I'd rather have them than some other competitors much less, I'd say, innovative business makers. That is, high bitrate, the 10-bit stuff, anamorphic support, Dual Native ISO at this price point, even 4K60p and so on. Balanced sellers feeling the market and their customers as much as these guys. For some reason, I'm writing this one here. Don't they say they listen their loyal basis? If not, someone will be in charge to address them the link :-D