Emanuel

Jon, the point is not the 500 bucks plus, the principle instead. Give me a solid reason to justify the difference of price. Ah OK, the GH5S is a better suitable cinema camera. The price of materials...?? *rolleyes* Their only reasonable excuse is the economies of scale. But please, give us a break when someone pops up with the everlasting R&D argument. When the Panasonic man comes to honestly tell us both models were developed at same time.

Learn to do your home lesson instead, dude... : ) Here are more LEGIT tests. FUD is over, for once, I hope. (vimeo embedding is not available there:) https://vimeo.com/227812784 What about to research a little bit before to take assumptions based on what pops up written on internet? ;-) Let's take a look on those vimeo users: https://vimeo.com/perfectloveweddings https://vimeo.com/littlepotatofilms Do they look like suspicious??! LOL :-) Right. FUD is a bitch and never welcome. Sorry to feel the need to write it.

I know. See my edit above. Your keyboard is quicker than mine : ) If I didn't write yet I will now: that's nothing about complaining. It's strictly business POV. Technical side is also secondary as I've been trying to point out. It happens. No need to be so defensive as fan user of their products I also am. A bit different of fanboism :-D

Nothing about greed (I know the word was not introduced by you : ) but business. Let's differentiate : )) That's the reason why GH6/GH6S will come, not if will ever come. That's pointless :-) David, if you pay more attention to that I'm writing you'd find out I exactly posted what you're asking for :-)

David, before you infer whatever comes to mind, let's pay attention on his words, not mine (E :-)

They could be listed for same 2000 bucks, I believe. The Panasonic man said in his interview they had developed both camera models at same time. A business decision made they postpone the launch.

The most ingenious here is the fact practice redefines theory... ; ) I've learned with what I've seen :-)

Yes, it is : ) Many a mickle makes a muckle. That's the way business works...

Thanks David for your input. I guess we'll never know, actually. Here is why I also don't buy the technical explanation for IBIS absence on GH5S version.

GH5 is overprocessed to scream out proper softness handling at post. Good for large formats printing. A pain for excelling in the motion picture department, mate. As hybrid rules :-)

Reliability is paramount. Nothing a bunch of batteries can't overcome. When any add-on of gear or even by software is truly PITA. Not feasible for hundreds of shooting scenarios. Mark my words, they would beg for a dozen of batteries if necessary. To be honest, I find barely unacceptable when professionals complain about handling several battery units. Stabilization in-camera, well, is simply a game changer. They're going backwards on that one. Power supply is a weak excuse to my view. GH5S is both a brilliant cinema camera and the best accessory to couple with GH5. Only an outdated hybrid though. Strictly because of a business decision under my perspective.

Right. So the reason why they left it out of there? When GH5 battery is much better than any of their direct camera competitors as for instance Blackmagic or Sony. Or the business factor in order to not affect native GH5 sales? As their own inner concern... So not product centered. When people can end to buy both GH5 and GH5S bodies as myself. That's the (whole) point IMHO :-)

Very well, it is not possible to switch it off then. Thanks for the enlightenment. So you or someone else will convince me now they are unable to supply such 10MP sensor coupled to Dual Native ISO with IBIS 'always active', please? And that we'll never see it on GH6S in any way other than as from upcoming technology to still develop this or also next year(s)? ;-)

Gotcha! My turn instead LOL : ) Shame my posts failed to convince him to go on my and in his own behalf ;-)

No worries. The point here is all about the product as fair alternative to the lack of IBIS on GH5S, not exactly these samples. If they give a fair idea of the outcome, it's not exactly a big deal to present themselves or one of them even if non-sync anyways. That said, we can extract the good part and respective findings from there. I also don't concur the shaky section of the previous example posted here could have been shot with IBIS on GH5 by accident as you wrote. If for a few part you may find it acceptable, that's merely merit by the camera operator hands of his setup circumstances; not else to my eyes. If so, we'd have a much more interesting solution beyond the native scope of this thread to even address footage shot on IBIS, go figure! : ) Sorry buddy but that's what they fairly tell me :-)

Right. But there's no sync between both sides on his side-by-side sample. Follow me now?

I don't think there's anything strange on videos like this one here: https://vimeo.com/244689449 Besides the fact the owner seems pretty legit: https://vimeo.com/worksmanuelpalma/videos As much as the previous one BTW... They've just added their shaky side-by-side sample only not sync with. That's it. Hence to look like wider. Yes, it is. Not TC sync there. The first user also had some parts to really scream for a stab hand so... Everything seems fine to my eyes so far. Even though I had seen only those.

[PS] Without mention ISO2500 (my fav top end and one of mine too) is one of their natives; BTW this dual ISO stuff is not proper of a consumer device (our old chap Don @webrunner5 is pretty accurate on the spot when properly calls it a game changer) as much as their 10-bit high bitrate codec bonus but now by default with the whole dynamic range at disposal on their high end too, well well... Well tempting.

Zak, my bet is that overprocessed sharpness on GH5 also comes from its 20MP high rezzed sensor as even anamorphic samples from there show it. So the stuff must be calmer down this time, my guess. Hope not to be too naive here. I've found blur as a good workaround though. Odd to admit it. E :-)

Right Jon! I've also crossed that with the fact Andrew has referred himself to erroneous yadda yadda from rumors before the announcement to conclude that makes too little to none sense at all. I also was convinced about that despite to tend feeling it strange when they are strong competitors, as shows my earlier posting. Perhaps a sign of good cooperation towards a new technological age not too much tagged by their core business ...?!! *cough cough* :-)

Again?? Can you @Andrew Reid clear up if you hold any information on it please? Is this Sony's the GH5S sensor? It doesn't make sense at all with that interview where Yosuke Yamane-san, the Panasonic's head of imaging himself says they got the whole thing there.

They could always implement to switch it off as user wishes, isn't it? I'm sorry but I don't buy the technical explanation as second thought. How many GH5 units they would fail to sell from now on? That's the whole business model (industry breathes strategy) which made their decision to leave IBIS out of range to my eyes. Let a7SIII settles down if coupled to some stabilization all included with and we'll see if they won't be in rush to sort the GH6s out just in time to comprehend the IBIS factor. Hybrid oblige. In any case, this camera is out of the concept so serves as excuse. Let's only not to accept that as granted.

+1 Cinema is inaccurate coloring the world... ;-)

C'mon... the gal flawed your evaluation ; ) Don't fool y/ourself(ves;-)

But, is this the Starvis sensor at all? I don't think so from that Cinema 5D interview there with Yosuke Yamane-san: I don't understand Japanese but if the subtitles translation is accurate, I'd tend to believe and confirm Panasonic is Sony's competitor instead. And... period. Also Andrew Reid's remarks on eventual BS misinformation spread along the rumors led me to infer it is not actually. :-)