Emanuel

Codecs will have to follow that, as well; as same as for example, H.265 is a fair improvement of the predecessor. And not forget it is a delivery tool, no more no less. Specialized tools always existed and ruled when we have the need of them. Except when they are not needed... : D That said, I hope HFR will never win the race. But, I guess high pixel density will. a7RII is the ultimate proof of it. No surprise so many people bash it. It happened the same with RED. Anyone here has memory of the reaction on the specialized forums? People hated it when started to see newcomers to take place. Today, 4K is norm at prosumer level acquisition. Funny, to say the least. HFR will never be, though! : P

Convergence includes form factor, sarcasm is acceptable too ; ) Hybrid concept will rule at any try of a more conservative scope anyway. it is the future, whether you like whether not. A bit like smartphones. 4K arrived even first than to compact cameras. Who follows who?

Of course, there will be and there is a limit. But, the point is the hybrid convergence, the media convergence as said, between other outcomes. OK, let the open door to a countless options (possibility of better and more radical cropping, zooming, re-framing, etc) available alone. This is nothing more than a medium. And there's no one way to be a medium, only one. Actually, there have been introduced different mediums side by side the advance of technology. With no mention for TV in the past, for instance. What about digital? 3D? In digital age, even film, despite the digital advantage. No matter 2D audiences may have beat the 3D experience. The point is its coexistence. Anamorphic lenses? Or sound? Only to go yet more back in time and even be more simple. Hard to beat this one but silent movie was still there for a while. Is this your beef? I must confess, I felt it when HFR has been introduced. I don't think we are in the same battle, though. Resolution brings some positive changes, nevertheless.

It depends on the distance to keep, obviously. The point is that the difference is there. No need for 8K acquisition to reach 4K delivery, but can help, yes.

Canon has a selected list for their 5DS...

In Rome, be a Roman : D hey, in any case, that just was the early beginning... the post is a bit longer ;-)

People's whims are a Psychoanalysis' case study, troubled by the worsened airs proper of motion picture "artists"... Too much workarounds to daily deal with. LOL :-)

True. But, they've found marketing works. Don't forget, today, their C-line competes directly with RED. :-)

Senti... There's a much improvement from 1080HD to 4x 2160UHD, there's no doubt on it (a proposito, I did this comparison Yesterday night on two TV sets with native footage, respectively). On big screen, I've always gotten the difference, night and day on wides, since the beginning when RED delivered it for first time 8 years ago*. So please, let's not try to match tangerines with melons. As second thought, delivery has nothing to do with acquisition. Your SD copy from 4K or 8K capture will really shine much more "natural" when you just accept it as a simple truth à la Palice : D Sharp pictures comprehends softer samples whenever you want. Softness hardly the higher. I was used to this usual mistake when in the early 90s, my video dealer was often trying to convince me that a VHS tape from video recording would equal the 260 lines of a hollywood blockbuster when downsampled. Nyquist is mandatory reading, amico mio! :-) - E. *PS: Never had the chance to watch anything from Dalsa... It just depends on the application as you well know... One thing is a f/1.8 close up, another one a really wide blue sky at noon or sunset... ;-)

LOL Good one, Ebrahim! I am a bit done to see people whining of sky bandings but never tested it with a fancy HDMI recorder to compare the differences... ;-) PS: From a previous discussion on dvxuser: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?335344-New-PIX-E-recorders-monitors-from-Sound-Devices&p=1986537988&viewfull=1#post1986537988 sample extracted from (minute 28:30): https://vimeo.com/114978513

This reminds me when people intend to believe when people marry, they'll start to keep distant from their parents. Give a break to your own fears, buddies, it is not the end of the world because your partner has decided to give you a new born child. - Emanuel :-)

Who?? Me. And lots of professionals who daily know what media convergence means. Lots of professionals used to extract grabs from a moving image in a regular basis. Lots of professionals who have their own hard-earned money invested in large printing technology. Lots of people who need to remind in posts like this that really, your needs are not like mine! : ) Picture business is pretty much beyond strictly motion and far away to coexist in separate departments. Get the concept open space and we'll have a fair analogy. So, 8K is actually not only welcome, also a mandatory need ...for lots of professionals out there. - Emanuel

Understood. But on the contrary, that "and?" was fairly needed... ...fear is a bitch; paranoid fear is a bitch squared. - Emanuel

OK, thanks. And?

*cough cough* PS: Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 (non-speedboosted Metabones adapter, though)

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But, 15x did the trick, right? ;-)

http://leicarumors.com/2013/03/22/leica-camera-ag-opens-new-plant-in-portugal.aspx/ about 20kms away from where I was born... :-)

24-105mm is a very interesting FF lens indeed. Pity, by design, doesn't fit quite well the Letus' anamorphic adapter.

Tools... Sorry mates, not Warp sample this time! : D

I don't feel much sorrow for focus pullers or film stock or whatever trace of technology already outdated. My beef is the way people in general tend to neglect essential aspects of craft for the ultimate gimmick to rule a geeky POV over our heads. Moving image is beyond technology. Pity YouTube generations have no clue at all, lost in translation.

Aside the fact 4K gives better 1080p, the remainder is very true. I meant the hype, not the stabilization tools. And ain't we already? OK, the frame rate has changed since then... LOL ;-) No, it is very hyped, actually. People believe moving camera makes the film. People forget everything that can make "a film" to begin with ...framing. My dear Ebrahim, I am in this métier for more than 20-25 years and I proud myself to have suffered for entering in a very tough film school and not necessarily in my first attempt to arrive there. People now tend to think in order to have a good shot, we only need some Oly camera! : D They've even forgotten what a tripod does mean... :-(

Anyways, this stabilization hype is completely overrated. We have motion pictures since 1895 over the big screen, but maybe those guys were merely too naive then ;-)

It depends if you trigger from camera (yes) or only in the external recording (no).

Enough is a cruel word when your still work goes larger format...