Emanuel

Nice thoughts : ) The most funny is not every DoP (less than before but still today come from film realm) are more expert on these modern digital cameras than a few digitally oriented since the beginning we could call just enthusiastic ; ) I've found many really good and with only their late 20s, 30s, which means they practically were born or yet children when the transition occurred if we can tell it like that :- ) There's a difference between a real DoP with a YT channel and those who are actually reviewers, that is, press, whether mere shills or more than that.

If there are some other collections and barrels not exactly glass related, what about ours? ; ) Inspired by this post from one of the most dearest ones among us and a most part of us after all... Show us your Nerd ;- )

Haha on this last one I fully agree with you : ) Albeit not in general on the first paragraph :- ) BTW and in order to be clear, you're one of the most enthusiastic and unforgettable contributors over here, so please keep going with your legit love for the pictures expressed among us. Enjoyable. If there is one who has this merit, this guy is you : ) Love to be your reader and follow your perspective. There are other people to worth the same attention anyway, even with a different angle from yours. That's life and pretty healthy ; ) Cinema is also talking, in behalf of its improvement. Without it, no outcome to evolve or hardly serves for anything... To share is and will always be key, so thanks for sharing kye -- don't focus too much on this rhyme though ;- )

In theory, two stops of difference at least is huge, it's 4x wider as far as DR concerns which obviously should produce an impact on IQ and hightlights roll off but, we didn't see any comparative test in the field yet, so the jury is still out on that... ;- )

On the other hand, we have the shills, not exactly here but spread nowadays on YouTube who kill all the valuable information we are used to find on a few places like a brand agnostic voice as EOSHD still is. I believe that's why this discussion is yet possible between both sides and you're not exactly flooded with the customary paid BS. At least here. That said, I don't see anything wrong on taking ARRI ALEXA as parameter : ) Just committed with a couple of feature films shot along 1x Classic and 2x Mini for some good reason. Even though, in one of them, basically RED Dragon as preferred capture device other than the ALEXA Mini, mainly used for low light but not because the RED was not able to perform well as actualy was. Factually for narrative exigence, the circumstances were restricted to low light footage during the night time.

Early 2022. It's already here the latest build for real : D hybrid shooters: https://github.com/mirsadm/motioncam/releases - Aperture switching on phones with variable aperture; - Black and white level clipping indicator; - Improved contrast curve in photo mode. No other product in the history of filmmaking has been so developed and improved ever! Practically in a daily basis!

You know what's the problem here and each time a new camera is released? People need to justify why don't buy the new toy and start to elaborate a reason for themselves based on their earlier investment invariably to protect. It seems pretty clear to me the same vibe I found at the film school with a substantial part of the instructors there, especially those more connected with an academic career despite not everyone, when were used to hate the other ones of same generation working and getting acknowledgment outside of the bubble, that is, the usual inner circle. To my eyes it's all about that and I'm pretty sure a lot of you think the same, just better to be politically correct and don't admit it. In four letters: PITA. For a simple reason: no other fallacy is distorting more the truth than this one here. I'm sorry to have to write it. I don't make my day to look like impolite and I guess there's the risk to sound like one. So kill the messenger then but here's my two cents. - EAG

Do you already realize this is the first camera full hybrid? With the C label under the $4,500 mark? Let alone RAW video (RAW light), 8K 60p, 4K 120p without overheating... This is no less than such a milestone! EAG :- )

Reason why we we are here : ) Little room to complain, many options never hurt :- )

On the spot : ) The release of this new camera is to celebrate. Their merit. No criticism is able to change that :- )

PS: Just chosen randomly... many more waiting to be found by you! :- )

Inspired by @kye on this quote, I think this should serve as reflection to everyone who visits this forum which is all about that -- there's no excuse anymore on all new fancy releases when a $100-$150 capture device (I have 4x of them BTW) is able to give this to the world: Support and participate here and there for this particular camera.

Just perfect. Hats off. 100% agreed. Thanks for writing it because people need to fully realize that : ) Other than that, everything else is useless :- )

I think other than much more, for sure, we both share the same love for knowledge and the mandatory aspect of a lot of it (good example BTW), as well, contempt for the misleading idea of pretentious obsolescence over still useful technology, to begin with. TBH I hate the idea to see something rather helpful to be replaced for something inferior : ) Aside a particular weakness for ingenious technology invariably consequence of many years of development, effort of many and commitment to not be easy to see it down the hill all of a sudden, as occurs so many times, seems like a nonsensical waste... This concern and the purity of your defense on a 180º shutter is actually the proof the way you see motion pictures as the most high standing we ALL, without exception, must care about. In a line: cinema is time. So I am not here saying your rants have no reason to be widely accepted, on the contrary : ) My straightforward point is how much the superior technology can impede something an inferior one will allow. I recall when 8-bit YCbCr 3:1:1 1440x1080 HDCAM format was replacing the option for 35mm film but to actually overcome the 100 thousand bucks of cost for film stock, processing and the leftover to spend at the lab (the average for a feature film). The difference between to work in this industry or making (arthouse) movies, or not, for many ; ) If some inferior technology will be the key to open gates I am unable to reach in some other way -- 'the fairly enough', I am ready to sacrifice it because there are other options I need to catch. Sometimes only to survive, some other occasions the remaining way just to accomplish it. EAG :- )

* I stand corrected a couple of posts above, I obviosly meant "digital stabilization", sorry for the typo, failure, whatever you want to call it, I didn't read it twice and as already said earlier in one of these threads, 5 minutes is too short to edit any mistake, error, etc., mainly for long posts :- )

Well, I am just finishing two feature films shot on ALEXA Mini, RED Dragon and a7S, so I should also be considered brand agnostic, no? : D Well, speaking of Portuguese people even if I am doing the whole of my work outside from my UK basis, here's a promotion video sponsored by Canon Europe shot by a French in the beautiful Portuguese land of Madeira island:

Well, you give yourself to all that work only for trying to understand my thinking, expectations, etc.? : D WOW I sincerely feel myself flattered... I wish all my readers every day could think and give me the same feedback on emails, production notes, sms, instant communication and so on. Really, no empty words, you honour me with your reciprocal consideration : ) OK, in short I will try to resume all that in order to let it clarified as much as possible: There's a new kid on the block. Some other time, overheating didn't allow anything else. Price, this time? Ah, that's OK for what offers but has no IBIS. Do you need stabilization for what BTW? Shaky shots, other than that, for this camera, gimbal shots apply. (that 'you' in italic is me or the people I and my partners will put this sort of device in hands) Will you miss the lack of IBIS for that purpose? Seems not for what I've seen from digital stabilization per se. Would be better to have IBIS? Yes, of course. There isn't. So? Well, lack of IBIS won't put us away of there if or/and when I'll see a chance to buy one or a couple of units. That's it! I don't mind for anything else. I can read the limitations, all the tech speech and information, the thoughts people are posting over these pages but the fact is: nothing has changed the early idea I got from this reasoning and that order :- ) On the straw man argument, yes, but on the opposite, I feel at times compelled to not let my position distorted, intencionally or unintentionally, as happens with my text above-mentioned in this same post. On the need of native Canon RF lens mount with OIS lens, yes, you're right but I think everyone here has implicit this along the digital digitalization in-camera. Our webmaster even starts his artcle saying is NOT switching, written in capital letters, for some good reason and very inherent although nameless, hence the presumption as much as occurs with the filmmaking process you describe up there. Besides, your note in form of disclaimer is rather productive and elucidative, so welcome. With IBIS is a different story indeed, no doubts on it. Thank you for letting us to not forget it ;- )

Olympus/Panasonic IBIS, Canon's AF, etc., pity we cannot have all them altogether and some tend to close up the perspective on the tree rather than the forest, but choices are part of this business : ) As above-posted, price point is IMHO much determinant than this or that feature, at least to me handling budget matters in a daily basis : ) Let alone in a pandemic year. Extras never hurt though and I think competition and sales from a typical market economy is what contributes more to this or that feature and thanks to it makes the things evolve.

I am like you Davide, strictly from an end user perspective with no engineering background other than the film school where we don't discuss the tools, we are trained to make them work and live with their limitations and improvements : ) I imagine there are some other industries looking after something else we don't even need using what we already have. So far so good. TBH the R5C tests I've seen are promising enough to make it shine within its limits. No expectations on unblurring anything. No need for miraculous potion either because the current tools are already fair enough. We have our workarounds too. What we cannot handle, Don, is to reach a price target outside of our budget. Might we buy this R5C if the implementation of the IBIS feature would cost an extra grand, as for instance? Yes. Would we do it from a product already in the $4,500 price range without IBIS or at the cost of its weight then? Probably not. I believe sometimes it's this kind of decisions the product design team has in mind when they decide to include some feature or not. More than adopting the theory of conspiracy they are there to see our expectations fucked up. :- )

This is exactly what I'm talking about... The ideal would be to have both worlds but if some technology will prove to match my needs from its implementation and improvement, I don't give a damn for anything else, what we know and don't know about, important is that fills the cup if so : ) Not much other counts when our user experience and outcome makes us to praise the joy to see our finishing line to be reached and we just become happy campers :- )

Thanks for your information to match my idea, it's exactly my impression, hence my apples to oranges comment :- )

I saw your test. Well done : ) I just wonder on modern digital stabilization mainly this or upcoming cameras to introduce the most advanced technology to gradually provide better results from there.

Maybe, you're right on this one : ) I am not engineer but I believe the degree of complexity may bring a different outcome accordingly the implementation of it. I've appreciated what I've seen from this new entry. At least for my needs :- )

@kye The digital stabilization can vary from a device or method to another. Higher resolution can also play a determinant role there, I guess. I wish it could be as simple as the exposure triangle is ;- )

Your needs don't fit someone's else and vice versa. As much, kind of work, style, etc.. : ) I don't think people are celebrating the lack of IBIS or instead the digital stabilization. I am still waiting to read that. Where? ; ) I just see the test with the camera mounted to the car proves that can even be more effective than IBIS is, or the same at least for shaky shots, as for instance. In my case, I don't give a damn if Canon's IBIS is inferior to any other competitor, no one pays me to be their fanboy and I don't need stabilization for anything other except when I'm using the gimbal and then no IBIS or any other method are any useful. So? If they can offer you a product without a feature you don't need, seems to me a better deal to not pay an extra cost for something you don't need, isn't it? IBIS or lack of it mantra can fit someone's cup but not everyone's. It's all about that.. EAG :- )