Emanuel

No, you've actually lost my post : ) Not on yours but the point your post was addressed to. Speculation (not specs ; ) for wishful thinking specs from the deepest of our dreams doesn't help current reality sales such as I and you want to believe new Kinefinity Terra is able to get.

Even because this can bring some noise to Terra 5K sales, as for instance. And we need those guys to succeed :-)

Kinda bummed there's no BMPCC 2 announcement after all the statements regarding the BMMCC not being the BMPCC successor. Oh well.

Or waveforms...or false color...or vector scopes...
To compete at this price point, BM needs to step up their monitoring features. Otherwise, it's exactly what I hoped they'd make. The audio inputs are particularly exciting for me, both to augment the poor audio of BM cams and for making Let's Plays without having to sync the commentary later.
Anyone know if they're still using a TN panel in this? Or have they stepped up to IPS for this one?

The part where the 5k sensor is coming in the fall and the global shutter is not worked out yet makes me sad
And I guess the idea is that the lower sensitivity in HFR is due to the lower sampling resolution from cropping or line-skipping?  Or is it something else?  It's hard enough to get enough for HFR but lower sensitivity makes it extra hard, but if it's just due to the same things that other manufacturers have to deal with but don't compensate for then it's just par for the course.  ie. RED/Sony should rate their 2K modes 1-2 stops slower to compensate for increased visibility of noise but they dont.

Anyone who isn't sceptical of any new camera is, well I dont want to be insulting here, but lets just say it's perfectly reasonable to be sceptical.  The flaw of buttons being rotated and even upside down is an embarrassing mistake that makes your product look bad even if it is just a mock up. Red or blackmagic, canon or anyone would get called out on that kind of thing.  Would the new iphone ever have writing upside down? I don't think so.  Im glad it was pointed out, because it does matter if you are considering spending $6000 on one.

I saw pics of the Kinefinity TERRA, and the thing is so tiny, its amazing. 

Clearly,  you don't get it. Skepticism doesn't mean I won't by, it means I'm seriously considering,  but need assurance before I plunk down my $9k.

The buttons are really the 'pressing' issue. 

Misaligned button caps on what is probably one of two demo/ working prototype TERRA's at NAB is not exactly an accurate sign of quality control for a final production run.
With the amount of people who will get their grubby hands on them during the show, I'm sure the buttons will correct themselves through finger touch friction which I'm sure will alleviate the very real concern we are all having at this time.

No evidence of 6K in any of those cameras, or a 10-bit internal codec. And one shouldn't make confident declarations about upcoming products when they're just speculating.

To wait for NAB, at least, it has happened before... :-)

Maybe yes, maybe not. I still think Blackmagic has finally a real competitor to enter in their own market field. And it also does seem they don't show off with vaporware a year earlier nor FPN or similar awkwards.
Pocket 4K can be a plus for such race, out of competition, though.

I think a used C300, Red One MX, or Battle-tested Kinemini 4K are your best options. Kinemini has the best overall IQ and flexibility; RED has brand recognition and 4K; and the Canon is super popular with clients and offers a solid image with little fuss.

The Ursas are really cool and create great images, but imo aren't quite ready for prime time yet...and that's coming from one of the biggest BM apologists out there. 

13 hours ago, christrad said:
Sorry but apparently you didn't write the Vimeo comments of the owner who said how much he love his NX1 and is not in anyway disapointed by it but just "felt like it was time to try something new".
 
Actually, that was my input there and his reply, respectively:
"how have you found the difference with your new G7 toy?"
Albert Fast 4 months ago:
"G7 is lighter and smaller but lacks 100-120 fps slow motion and headphone jack. Different color science but comparable low light performance. Both great cameras!"
 
In a personal note, in a way or another, I share the same perspective of him and many others (no matter the camp you play), to usually be open and straightforward : ) No football cheerleaders contest over here. By the way, it is an European who's writing it :-)

Maybe I m optimistic but I assume that a company would not release a product inferior to their previous release especially for a camera.
I mean the kine mini is cheaper and the image quality is already good enough for me so I hardly see why the quality would be lower than that .
The selling point is the slow mo /mount/form factor for me.
 
Also I m living in Japan and I will get one delivered in china, so I will get the basic pack for 5600 usd with no extra charges .

I feel you're brave to order that before we've even seen any footage from it!

After all they're attempting what nobody has done before (global/rolling sensor), BMD tried and failed at it. 

Are there any samples from the 5K Terra sensor yet? The 6K is a known quantity since they used it in the Kinemax, but I haven't seen anything from the 5K yet besides its promising specs. 

I pre ordered the 5k one .
If you shoot music video/fashion, you need clean slow mo and there is nothing else in the price range. It s basically a red epic MX ++ for 5kusd ...
It s more compact/light than blackmagic , color science is better than panasonic/sony/blackmagic (you should play with the DNG they provide and the image is great , I was amazed by how much you can recover on the landscape/lake shot).
There is a shoot comparing multiple cameras from GH4 to alexa and the tester said that the kinefinity images where the closest one to red/arri from the lot.
And the mount system look great , that mean you can get fast zoom easily with the focal reducer.
I understand that because it s a unknown Chinese company, people are skeptical and if it was their first camera I probably would not have pre ordered it .
But if you look at Dji , they are also a Chinese company and they have great product .
 
 
 

Im not going to read the pages and pages of wining going on here from people who have not owned a camera from kinefinity so please forgive me if I say something thats already been covered.
Kinefinity is totally a reliable company. I actually get great access to support online and they have been very open to suggestions. They added an anamorphic mode within 2 versions of the firmware. Kinestation is great, their codecs are great KRW is a lossless format that can be converted directly back to DNG (if its not shot in highspeed mode which is 4:4:4 not raw. I would say they push their cameras way further then any other company because they have no top end to gouge so why not make the cameras the best they can be.
Now for the cameras. Ive owned the Kinemini when it first came out and then upgraded my body to the Kinemini4k. I was about to upgrade to the kinemax but then the Terra got announced. Who doesnt want this camera??? You are crazy, just go and spend more money on a Red Camera then. I personally dont have $40k+ to spend on a cinema camera. The image on the kinemini4k is already lovely. A good mix or the red and Alexa honestly. The noise pattern is organic and the range is there.The kinemax 16fstops in Golden 3k, this sold me along with the highspeed options. Now with the Terra comes global shutter and 15/13 stops in a smaller body. I want one so I really hope none of you do so I get one faster.
I got Rich off the forumn here to modify a speedbooster for my Kinemini and then Kinefinity made one shortly after. They are a company who does listen I feel. The mount is awesome, its a sub PL mount with many options. The sensor is Super 35.....
I dont know what else to say really, its a sweet vcamera and Im glad I didnt go with the black magic cameras in the end or other cameras. If you really want to know more then just speculation you can join us users over at Kinecommunity and the Kinfinity User group on facebook.
 
Rob

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A few others have been going in the opposite direction such as this shooter here:
 

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A few others have been going in the opposite direction such as this shooter here:
 

For sure. New Nikons do it.

These cams do look pretty nice and I'll probably get the 24-85, but I'd still love to see an update to the LX100. That could be the ultimate compact if done right. 

Yep that interview was also conveniently less than 3 min