Emanuel

Having the camera for more than a month, I can say I agree with David's review on all the points that he made. And I have been very critical, trying all this time to find a reason to return it. Just can't, its a great camera. 

As far as possible to understand, yes. The heat comes from the processing for 4K recording and the compact design, not the sensor.

Well, you still have URSA 120fps/4K or URSA Mini 60fps/4K + Twixtor...

I wont say anything for sure before either using both or seeing alot of footage from both.
But if I was to guess based on current available gear, gear Ive used, specs like compression as well as hardware specs, etc.
The URSA will win in Image Quality, price and usability.

No idea if this has already been posted. Shipping announced for February 2016.
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?136561-Announcing-RED-RAVEN&p=1548134#post1548134

Speaking of other cameras from this company, it seems if you want an external microphone coupled to the camera* (only with internal microphone), you'll need to add something like a dedicated USD 1,750.00 accessory.
PS: "available for the WEAPON or REDRAVEN camera system"
http://www.red.com/store/products/weapon-base-expander
*among other features, though

Frankly my dear Ed, only sins out there : D http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?133548-Decoding-the-New-Red-Weapon-Press-Release
And we don't necessarily need to agree nor subscribe the idea that media convergence is not evolutionary of both headspacess...

The beef of them with RED is the fact the company has a policy of overpriced accessories when the initial idea was to disrupt the industry. Jarred still uses the line. At a certain point, companies like Sony or Panasonic became more client friendly than the one used to make the rules of the business change.
They succeeded to launch a camera that placed the offer for a fraction of the supply then. The infamous 103,000.00 F900 rate reduced to the promising $17,500 for identical formatting of a digital cinema camera body! Almost ten years later, the market model is not the same anymore. Panasonic offers professional recording 10-bit 4:2:2 option for free in their consumer line (hence YAGH, not AF200 as proof of it), Sony has resisted but outputs 4:2:2 even though still* 8-bit and sells a cine zoom lens under $2,500. A good part thanks to RED, true.
Actually, sad to see now the same company playing the same role usually performed by the giants of this sector before. Who've wisely gotten the lesson much earlier than that one to still keep trying to preserve the current mainstream instead. Bizarre. Innovation was replaced by hold the line attitude. That's what HFR 8K is, at an unfriendly indie rate. 4K4all tag (by RED) accordingly. It is a pity. BMD is the only winner over here. And their clientele, of course.
I know some RED early adopters who work and live for buying the yearly updates. Where's the obsolescence obsolete concept? Only in the marketing. All these tricks have annoyed serious non'sheep people as for instance Ed who has been a voice against it. Along the years, I've seen a few others to follow the track. Some of them I personally brought to RED. Hence my inner POV and, sorry who can dislike it, also educated from inside.
E :-)
 
* Unfortunately, RED is out of the game where BMD can help to make FFC's dream even more real than today.

The big Ursa is just too heavy and cumbersome. As for Twixtor, I will be using it to get from 120fps to higher frame rates, assuming that it does a better job than Ravens shitty 2K 240fps. lol

The beef of them with RED is the fact the company has a policy of overpriced accessories when the initial idea was to disrupt the industry. Jarred still uses the line. At a certain point, companies like Sony or Panasonic became more client friendly than the one used to make the rules of the business change.
They succeeded to launch a camera that placed the offer for a fraction of the supply then. The infamous 103,000.00 F900 rate reduced to the promising $17,500 for identical formatting of a digital cinema camera body! Almost ten years later, the market model is not the same anymore. Panasonic offers professional recording 10-bit 4:2:2 option for free in their consumer line (hence YAGH, not AF200 as proof of it), Sony has resisted but outputs 4:2:2 even though still* 8-bit and sells a cine zoom lens under $2,500. A good part thanks to RED, true.
Actually, sad to see now the same company playing the same role usually performed by the giants of this sector before. Who've wisely gotten the lesson much earlier than that one to still keep trying to preserve the current mainstream instead. Bizarre. Innovation was replaced by hold the line attitude. That's what HFR 8K is, at an unfriendly indie rate. 4K4all tag (by RED) accordingly. It is a pity. BMD is the only winner over here. And their clientele, of course.
I know some RED early adopters who work and live for buying the yearly updates. Where's the obsolescence obsolete concept? Only in the marketing. All these tricks have annoyed serious non'sheep people as for instance Ed who has been a voice against it. Along the years, I've seen a few others to follow the track. Some of them I personally brought to RED. Hence my inner POV and, sorry who can dislike it, also educated from inside.
E :-)
 
* Unfortunately, RED is out of the game where BMD can help to make FFC's dream even more real than today.

My self destrution online is a beautiful thing that I love to do, time and time again.
Will history destroy me?  Good!  All I have to do is change my name.  The cost is relatively cheap.
Yes you nailed it - it all feels like everyone is running around scared of being banned.

that's nuts - it has no audio in or out.  man curious if these guys have used a c300 or fs7 before?  Mid range productions usually like to record audio into them. Lord help us all.

RED Raven or URSA Mini 4.6K? Which to go for if their body price is the same & you could pick either? (which they're not! URSA Mini is clearly going to be many thousands cheaper to own)
Clearly the URSA Mini comes out the winner here, as I don't think the Raven is better specced. 
URSA Mini is:
a) has 4K ProRes (Raven doesn't)
b) has XLR inputs 
c) better ergonomics
d) global shutter option
e) sensor size which is a better match for the Canon EF mount (URSA Mini is a little larger than APS-C vs GH2 sized for the Raven)
f) as well as PL/B4 (and more??) mount options available instead
g) cheaper media (and rapidly getting cheaper!! You won't see the same rate of price drops happen with RED's media)
h) I half suspect URSA Mini will have the edge over Raven in low light (though not by a huge amount,. a stop or less). I suspect dynamic range to be close too, given how RED overstates theirs. Will have to wait for each to ship however before this can be really clear which way it falls.
i) way cheaper EVF (and better too I reckon)
j) better slow motion (same fps, but Raven's is heavily compressed RedCode at 13:1 while the BMD URSA Mini can do it in uncompressed raw!)
k) better input/output options. 
l) BMD wins with the higher resolution (ironically so.... as that is RED's big obsession, resolution)
m) free copy of the industry standard DaVinci Resolve (which you'll need to purchase if you wish to colour grade Raven's footage with it)
n) and last but not least.... URSA Mini will ship earlier!! (yes, even with BMD's record of always being late)
Of course the usual caveats apply with this analysis: nobody has either of these in their hands yet, so specs analysis vs real world use might be far apart!

thanks Ebrahim - well said.  That is a place of frustration especially for filmmakers who exist to be critical of the current state of affairs.  Filmmakers should not be sheep.

I suppose that 8th grade episode might also show the Edvolution some kids are made of ; ) I also anticipate if you all had the chance to personally meet, you'd find more similarities full of proficuous diversity than somewhat substantial differences between you at both sides. You, a lesson for a lot of readers if they could accurately read you...
In any case, I also believe you fairly guess I appreciate the way you really are an authentic breeze inside a virtual container and never hostage of somehow politically correct at any rate. God be with you!
PS: That thread is a classic today, Ed... I've just had a good laugh each new reading on the characters' dialogue present there. You truly created a legit narrative essay throughout a simple thread: it is now a masterpiece of the web.
Emanuel :-)
PPS: Ed's other (genuinely ;)) disruptive sin : P http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?133547-Reduser-Viewing-Count-has-Been-Off-Since-Beginning&p=1522588#post1522588

I suppose that 8th grade episode might also show the Edvolution some kids are made of ; ) I also anticipate if you all had the chance to personally meet, you'd find more similarities full of proficuous diversity than somewhat substantial differences between you at both sides. You, a lesson for a lot of readers if they could accurately read you...
In any case, I also believe you fairly guess I appreciate the way you really are an authentic breeze inside a virtual container and never hostage of somehow politically correct at any rate. God be with you!
PS: That thread is a classic today, Ed... I've just had a good laugh each new reading on the characters' dialogue present there. You truly created a legit narrative essay throughout a simple thread: it is now a masterpiece of the web.
Emanuel :-)
PPS: Ed's other (genuinely ;)) disruptive sin : P http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?133547-Reduser-Viewing-Count-has-Been-Off-Since-Beginning&p=1522588#post1522588

This a modest homage to Ed... RED Weapon is already included! : D

Time for your Raven footage... Spill the beans! ;-) That is, RED Weapon Raven MX footage... : P
Who doesn't miss your incarnate posts , Ed?
PS: To those who don't know the story:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?133440-Red-One-Short-Film-Falling-Pieces-A-Short-Film-by-Anh-Vu-about-Alzheimers

This a modest homage to Ed... RED Weapon is already included! : D

This is the biggest joke I have ever seen in my all life. 
The price of the accessories... This is an insult. 
Anywone buying those accessories at this price is twice less smart as an earthworm.
 

This is the biggest joke I have ever seen in my all life.

Output A7R M2 is 8 bit 422. Better bit rate, less compression help. That test posted by Emanuel is correct.
We will test with a GH4 of a friend of us. I can inform you later.

It is clear internal 4:2:0 is much compressed. 4:2:2, higher bitrate. You miss the point of Emanuel. He didn't say 4:2:0 is the reason for banding. He said you don't need 10 bit to avoid banding. Higher bitrate 4:2:2 is okay. I've done tests with the Shogun. Same results of that test.

I also find them useful. We just bought a Shogun for our A7 M2. That test made our purchase. No buyer's remorse.