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Yeah but. If its 4k full frame how does it get 4k from a crop? Unless its actually like 24mp but only using every other pixel for its full frame image?

I've Shot with 6d and own d800. Chalk and cheese. I found the 6d noisy and a bit gnarly for a 20mp camera. THe d800 shadow noise cleans up very well. 6d still had that typical low frequency fuzzy purple and magenta chroma noise that is hard to clean up. The d800 continues to blow me away with how much range is usable. I wish as a company they had just the teensiest bit of vision.

It was interesting getting the d5300 and being able to quantify how much salt you need to take the dxo tests with. D5300 rated about about 13 stops too if I remember (about 1 stop less than d800/d600), but the ends of the range are not nearly as usable as those cameras, with noise an issue at all isos. The proof of the pudding is in the pushing - its always the really tough lighting conditions that sort the men cameras from the boy cameras :)

Sandro: you don't have to spend a fortune to get wide angle on micro 4/3. I've got a d800, d5300 and gh2. I've grown to really love being able to use may tokina 11-16 with and without a speed booster on the gh2. Now if metabones can make an adaptor that can shrink a full frame image down to m4/3 size then I could use my 14-24 as a 14-24 f1.4 (I'll ignore the 4k crop), a 20-35 f2, and a 28-50 f2.8. That's why I'm wishing the a7s was apsc. Still that perfect camera is bound to come along shortly

Sorry I should've said I was hoping to do this straight from premiere, rather than transcoding. I wonder if h264 as JCS suggested would be OK. My technical knowledge let's me down here. (I have no idea if premiere uses more than 8 bit space to work in, and if not whether there are any gains to be had from prores over h264)

If the a7s has a couple of stops of extra dynamic range (without looking too digital) then I'll be interested too. I just wish it was aps-C. With a speedbooster gives so many more options.

I want to archive some timelapse stuff (squirrel away my raw files and jpegs and just keep say a 4K video file). I've done most of my grading already. Should I just bite the bullet and buy this: http://www.miraizon.com/products/codecsoverview.html Or is there an alternative? I've heard the avid Avid Codecs LE 2.3.9 dont support 4k (or well, if they do)

Yeah I agree add magic lantern (ie on open and if necessary, monetised firmware model for apps) and Nikon's active d-lighting to squeeze out the dynamic range. Otherwise I agree totally

everytime I think of the gap between what nikon could do and what they ARE doing I want to smack myself. Or their management. Panasonic should buy them

I challenge anyone to find worse moire than the clip at the end of this: :)

First time I realised I could happily say goodbye to the optical viewfinder was after using a lot of liveview and gh2: I tried to zoom in on the optical viewfinder to get critical focus :)

double post (must stop trying to use the forum on my phone :/)

Yes I agree. But detail is not everything, just as sharpness in a lens isn't everything Prefabsprout: even on.my on my phone it looks like your getting more detail from your a6000 then I am. Did you shoot at 25p? Still thinking there mine might need to be returned

Gm1 has no 50p, which is what I needed. And what I've realised after using a bunch of cameras is: horses for courses. For what I do dynamic range is key, followed by lack of moire, followed by low light ability. The 5300 will doubtless have a place in my kit for a while. Most of my vids will be watched at 720 or smaller anyway. I shot some stuff on the same day on the d800 and whilst it was sharper and possibly more detailed it suffered false colour and moire. Neither of which I've yet to see in the 5300. I'm no fanboy though: generally as a video camera it sucks. But if I could get a Panasonic's detail with the 5300's dynamic range I'd be a happy Easter bunny. Don't look at tree detail in the 2nd shot. The end of that was graded in photoshop using camera raw with heavy noise reduction it was 2 ish stops underexposed.

oops double.post

A bit off topic but I just spent a day with the D5300. Whereas the Sony video had little to talk about over the gh2, i really like the 5300 image. It doesn't have the crunchy detailed sharpness of the gh2 but its nowhere near as soft as the canon apscs. Dynamic range seems better than a6000 and high iso is remarkable. Bit blocky in the shadows when you try to recover detail, but compared to gh2 at least it has detail to recover.

There may be an issue with the a6000 I've got. I posted about it on this forum. Had to go out and get a d5300 for a job. Happily impressed with dynamic range so far compared to either gh2 or a6000. Detail is nice. Shame its such a dog to use. Hope it gets hacked Think I'll ditch the lot of them for the gh4 though. Andrew yes to do a propper test yes should've shot at 25p, but I bought the a6000 for its 50p and was testing selfishly for my own interests :)

Just don't try to do slow mo. The moire on 720 is unbelievable

Yep well gh3 probably would have been the sensible choice at that point. Note to self: err on the side of the more professional camera. Instead I went with the a6000, speedbooster and all, and found my nikon 14-24 didn't work with it. It may be an issue with this camera or speedbooster. Couldn't wait for replacements though, had to go out and buy a nikon 5300. By the time I've finished this I'll have tried every $1000 ish camera out there ;)

Just tried my 14-24 on the a6000 and it wont focus to infinity at 14mm. :( Its not slightly off either, its miles off. High res: http://1drv.ms/1hTnLyT (right click view original) Also weird curvy field of focus on the 35mm f1.4, which you can also see a little in the 55-210 kit lens. I'm hoping this is an issue with the a6000, rather than with my lens (which does focus to infinity on my d800).

My first bit of testing over the weekend. I'll do something a bit more scientific at some point. I wanted to get a feel for how it compares to the hacked gh2. Gh2 using nikon glass (sigma35mm f1.4m and tamron 70-300), a6000 using kit lenses 16-50 and 55-210 (all I have until adaptors arrive).

Is it just me or is this 50p clip gnarly? Moire, aliasing and overall looking very videoy compared to the organic feel of the G6 and gh3 The little bit of video in the camerstore review (5:50 ish) although overexposed looks very sony-ish to me. Highlights are not nice. Yada yada. need to see more! I would've bought one today, didn't come in to stock. I bought the speedbooster though, buggery bum.

I need to pull the pin on this or the G6 tomorrow. So Andrew: is the rolling shutter not too bad? Is the dynamic range and low light better than the G6/Gh3?

12Mpix on Apsc would be great for me: all apsc lenses available, all full frame lenses available via speedbooster. I could use my 14-24 at F2. Drool. Whilst you're at it throw in 5 axis stabilization. I'll hanging to see how the GH4's dynamic range stacks up to sony's.

Where's that clip gone? :)