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@Andrew Reid Are those pics xt3 with the zhongi and no speedbooster? I'm lovin it.

In my experience people who make vast generalisations are idiots

Ha, I was just going to say wait for the phantom 5! If it really is 70/30 stills to vid, then panasonic are bonkers. Unless they have 16bit HDR Raws, or something ground breaking, but even then, stills are increasingly less important as more than passible quality is becoming ubiquitous. More and more content viewed on phones, for less and less time (swipe, swipe, swipe). Greater competition forcing rates down; how long before every (previously stills only) assignment will be for stills and vid?

not long to wait

And nikon did a sony... (but sony, those clever sausages, stagger the release of A7r/ A7 to minimise the likelihood of canibalising their own sales). The same reason i suspect that nikon is keeping shtum about the z6. They dont want people to wait for the cheaper camera, they want to canibalise sony's sales, not their own) The downside there is Panasonic S. I was planning on waiting for the z6, but if I have to wait another 3 months for a hybrid camera with beefier video specs (assuming it's stills specs are on a par with my current 5-year old DSLR), then I'll have some thinking to do ) Leica has cachet in the stills world. Panasonic has tiny mind-share. Say "panasonic" and people still most likely think radios and air conditioners. This camera is taking on the big boys of stills. Therefore Having a leica mount makes the marketing folk very happy. Even if technically it's not the best move (which I dont think is true), in every other way it's a no-brainer.

http://www.towerjazz.com/prs/2017/1030.html BSI... large format... middle of 2018... i'd be gobsmacked if it was samsung at this point

The Unbearable waitness of waitingorooni

I hope it's towerjazz. Just because everything looks like sony these days ?

isnt the grass a bit saturated and cyan? Or is it just my montior

not too keen on the 1080 slow mo at the end of that vid. And not 100% sold on the rest of it. It did look a bit glossy and over sharpened, but for what I do it'll be fine. The rate of development is slightly obscene. I dont make enough money to keep up with it ? Its bonkers that if this camera had come out 3 months ago, there'd be way fewer doubters around. Now we're all like: no 10 bit internal 60fps or raw? meh.

they'are not brilliantly shot, i've not seen aliasing, but I've only been watching on my laptop. the point about the zeds to me is that they are finally up there with the sonys, but they are nikons. I stuck with nikon because for what I do they were the best fit for stills. I went nikon d5300 then gh5 for vid. I thought about switching to sony, but losing AF, or ditching my glass did not appeal. Being able to shoot something similar to sony quality vid, and keep my glass makes it a no-brainer. I'm sure there will be aspects that piss me off, but I'm also sure it'll piss me off less than not having AF, (or having to buy into yet another line of lenses). For a lot of jobbing pros who shoot stills and vid, speed and the "good enough" factor are important. I dont like it, but I learnt it the hard way: I always strive for better quality but in the last 2 years I jumped from low bitrate 1080 to 4K, with much more tortuous grading, without increasing my prices. And the pressure to race to the bottom is huge. In 10 years you might have AI shooting and editing the vids. They'll be crap, but they'll be way cheaper than me. yes agree the xt3 looks very nice. I've not seen an blackmagic footage that's been pushed around yet though. Want to see how the noisy those shadows are

You cant win here; then Andrew will be accused of trump-like behaviour, or having "lost". Maybe append a version of your post above to the end of it: or better use it as a starting point to reflect on when the personal and the passionate goes public. Sometimes you've got to externalise that shit, I can relate to that.

my interpretation was that "most cameras have something that is shit about them". I raved about my d800 but the focusing is pretty shit. (*Caveat: some things are subjectively, not objectively shit :D)

one more thing andrew! Don't forget that all PR execs have an eye on who will spruik their camera regardless of its faults or failings. I had a mate that used to get invited to weekend freebies by a major manufacturer because he wrote for a national photo mag. Were his reviews 100% impartial? 100% no. How could they be. He's only human. You get schmoozed and fed and watered, are you going to turn round and say their gizmo is a pile of shite? And then lose advertising revenue and potential for future invites? That's why I think we appreciate this site and the few like it - because you can be totally sure that there's none of that malarky. And I'm afraid that if we know that, that BM and Panasonic and all do too. Which means that if you do get invited to a press junket it'll be because whoever invited you is 100% sure you're going to be bedazalled .

I've not seen much of the handmaids tale, but there was one scene where the handmaids tear a convicted rapist to shreds, venting their pent up rage in the only way they're allowed. I dont think the behavior on photo forums is isolated and I cant help wondering if this is a shift in the way people interact generally, and if part of the cause is the lack of perceived power; of frustration at being screwed from all sides. The milk of human kindness seems in short supply generally, and not just in forums. (this isn't aimed at Andrew its just the dynamic that seems to be around). I have frequently wanted to yell at various people and institutions to shove various things in various orifices. And occasionally do, but you have to be certain you aint never gonna need to speak to the person or company again, lol. The weird thing about this to me is that the footage i've seen has not been that good. It all seemed a bit thrown together, not the pinnacle of some marketing strategy, but what do I know? I'm just a jobbing video hack, but i think I would've done a better job with half a day with one of those cams.

but they are very smug. Smuuuuuug.

whaaaat? are you sure? thats huge for me! On the z6 too?

All the spec speculation on the Panasonic will be moot if the sensor gives a nice image. I would swap ibis for 14 stops and organic highlight rolloff. Who knows? But by the time it's out there is a very high chance that I'll have a zed, and starting to invest in that system. By the way I believe nigh-con are only insisting on zee in North America, whereas nih-con else are fine with zed. Whatever they say there is no chance in hell I'll be calling it a zee.

I can see some of that lovely Nikon look in there. You have to underexposed it, th en you get that fat look like reversal film. Love it.

"some people" doth butter no parsnips. ? Who, where?

yes towerjazz sprung to my mind too. Their hint-dropping about working on something new with an established manufacturer rings true

yeah that opening shot is outside, I wouldn't put too much store in it. SHe's getting blue shadows from the sky, which can also make skin go magenta (the gh5 goes obscenely magenta in this case!) And in the log example she's getting lit from a pink building, with blue sky fill. Where she's in direct sunlight the skin tones look pretty good to my eye, although she has olive skin by the looks of it, which is a flattering tone to start with ? one more thing: my d5300 spoilt me for colour grading. I couldn't believe how much more work I had to do to my gh5 shots. Do I get a nicer image? Of course! Is it infinitely better to shoot with: Dur! But I had about 5 lumetri presets with my D5300 and I could just chuck one of them on, and go:PEACHY!, NEXT! WIth the GH5 I usually go: BLURGH! Fiddle, fiddle, fiddle... I'd love to get back to something approaching that first workflow. And then get a BMPCC4K for special occasions ?

finally found some z6 footage. Only looked on my laptop so far. It doesn't have a lot of magic, (in fact the 1080 looked nicer to me than the 4K), but it doesn't have anything that screams terrible. I always found the d5300 vid looked miles better underexposed a bit. Curious about shadow noise

that was my reaction too. its a full time job

erm, i've not even seen any footage yet, or hands on reviews. I for one kinda think thats a good idea before shelling the moolah Getting a bit fed up of all the wankspittle from youtubers who also havent seen any footage yet, or handled the thing.