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At the moment I'm still sticking with my preorder of the Pocket. And as far as DOF & sensor size, i really do think people are missing the boat or not understanding things too well. I've got steady Raw on the 60D at a more severe crop factor than the Pocket will be & DOF or size factor isn't a problem. The best thing so far is that i can use a 24mm taking lens & my anamorphic lens - it produces plenty DOF (& is a nice test run for the Pocket).  If you want really shallow DOF (God only knows why) then spend the extra cash, but over £3k compared to under £1k is a no brainer! Also, if you can upscale the Canon Raw footage, just imagine what you can do with the CinemaDNGs coming out of the Pocket (if & when that happens)! 

There's a post already explaining this in this section of the forum - do a search.

I'm with you guys, close that post as things are getting stupid. Also, perhaps ban forum selling - i know other forums have done this to avoid scams/misunderstandings (being diplomatic here). I'm not buying anymore, but i feel for those that are getting into anamorphics - they are getting fleeced big time.    But also, i do suppose that's what such forums do to prices: I bought something for £50, posted a video on Vimeo & the next time it came up on ebay it went for £300+. I know someone else here has posted something with the same lens & i fear for the next time one of these lenses appears! Price is all relative, but it ain't worth more than £150-200.

There's only no time limit at really poor resolutions & some people are starting to shoot at lower fps. On my 60D, i can get 5mins worth @ 960x544 & continuous at lower. Unless you want to spend 3k on a 5d3, its not going to be that good. It was exciting at first but the dust is settling & reality has kicked in. Unless they figure out some in-camera compression, these lesser cameras can't handle it in any useable way.

Damn nasty business! As Andrew said, only 3 posts - perhaps there should be a ban on selling or at least some safe-guards put into place?   But still common sense should still be the order of the day when spend a few grand, only buy if you can meet up with the seller.

I think the whole sharpness thing really depends on the condition of your copy & opinion. I was certainly amazed when i got mine, as i'd heard the softness BS circulating too. The only thing i've found sharper than a 36/54 or Kowa B&H is the tiny Iscomorphot S8/x2 (fixed focus). I think most people use the 36 with a +0.4 diopter & that makes it sharper - the same is true of the 54.   I use a 60D, so the widest i can go is 30-35mm, but can't use a 72mm diopter (82mm & above). However, with ML Raw you can choose your crop & at present i'm using a 24mm taking lens with 72mm diopters!   The real plus for the 54 is that it has tons more character than a 36 (i much prefer it to the 36 i had). Downside is the weight (1kg)/size - it can dwarf your taking lens & you'll need a rig (but i've handheld with it too). I've also found it can be a bit more picky with the taking lens (so far Taks & Nikons are the sharpest, but Russain lenses are really nice too).

The Pocket footage actually looks pretty good all considering - not the best idea to just pass it around a table, but it shows a worst case scenario. Get a lens with IS or just wack it on a tripod & i think it'll perform better than these random tests show.   I'm using the Raw record function on my 60D & i'm buying the BM Pocket without any hesitations. The workflow is an absolute pain if you don't have an Abode pic editing product & you're on a Mac - the DR is nice, but there is something missing! Definitely a work still in progress, but how far will they get? With the BM cameras I can import the CinemaDNG files & start editing in FCPX - no messing about.   And honestly, you wouldn't have to spend all that much & it certainly won't be as expensive as buying a 5D3+fast CF cards.

I've got no MFT lenses & the speed booster will be a great way to save some cash - i'm going the Nikon ai-s route for the pocket.   I was really happy with the S16 size sensor on the Pocket, as it would mean that a 24mm+Anamorphic would give me 48mm(x1.5) or 36mm (x2) - which is fine either way as i normally shoot with a 50mm lens on a x1.6 cropped camera. Obviously the speedbooster opens things up & will add an extra stop of light!   I also like the size - it will be a really useful put it anywhere cam for some really unusual angles.   If i really wanted to spend the extra cash, then yes the original BM in MFT would be the one - don't need 4k or the added compression. The only thing that slightly scares me is the rate at which these cams are being announced - just makes you ask the question of what BM will announce next year?   The latest news is that the ML team are about to crack compression on the Raw pics, so 12bit & 10bit are on there way.

No DSLRs shouldn't really have a base iso. Just a bit weirded out by these DNG files being spat out by my 60D. Indoors with the main [bulb] light on, 640/800iso produced less noise than 320 - [shouldn't] it be the other way around?   So am just wondering what's going on, because these DNGs behave differently than the normal raw files.  

Yeah same here for the Speedbooster - hope they get the Nikon & EOS versions out for BM release.   2.5k is tempting, but i'll be using Anamorphics with the BMPCC & having experimented with the DNG files out of the Canon, there's definitely wiggle room for upscaling even 1080p - also its small & has a battery you can actually change!

Has anyone worked out what the base ISO is on these DNG files?   I seem to be getting less noise at 640/800 - do DNG files naturally have this as their base ISO? 

Thanks BR - yep it certainly shows that you can't write off ProRes just yet. I think there's something to be said for a camera that works out of the box - well, if you can actually get the box in the first place!   Really hoping that the BMPCC will come out on time. What ML have done is amazing - so far static shots look great, but any sort of panning looks pretty unusable to me.

Well the 60D will do 3sec (71frames) raw bursts when in Movie Mode@1080p - the files are 1730x1152. You can get 115frames in 720p, but its not ideal for anamorphic shooting. All 3sec bursts shot with Iscomorphot s8/x2 & the trusty Helios 44-2. The opening TL was with the Kowa B&H (yes shot through dirty windows!).   Pretty amazing really, but i think the BMPCC will be much better (well user friendly), if it does get raw files.   https://vimeo.com/66664702  

Finally got around to testing the Silent Pics mode out & it really is night & day - H264 be dammed! Its a real pity that there only seems to be only 1 person coding for the 60D (maybe that says it all, lazy 60D owners - we bought a shit camera & can't be fucked!). Hopefully burst mode will come soon & (fingers crossed) cropped raw recording.   Its a rough & dirty test, with lots of Vimeo compression!   Oh & its a dull day here in Bristol...   https://vimeo.com/66569305

getting dng files out of the 60d now, silent pics only at the moment   http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5505.0   sizes seem to be: 1770x690 1730x1152 2516x1076   Its not perfected yet, but a good start.

  2 people appear to be compiling it for the 60D at the moment, so not long to wait!

The Mir 47 really does look interesting, but can only find pictures taken with it & no video. However, in my experience if it takes nice pictures then the video will look good too. I've bought loads of lenses that way & a prime example is the Helios 40-2 85mm f1.5 (big, heavy & pricey, but you can by brand new ones now).   The old Angenieux zooms produce a very good vintage look (for a premium) - they ain't that sharp, but their resolution is stunning!   I've just started to go the Nikon/Nikkor (ai-s) route & am wondering why i didn't take the plunge to begin with! They are the best wide-angle lenses i've used so far - v.little distortion compared to others.   People do recommend the Biometar (Andy Lee on this forum keeps banging on about it) & i've also seen some really nice stuff done with the Flektogon 50mm f4 (there is a 65mm f2.8, but rarely appears). 

If you want i could do/add something about the following lenses: Isco Widescreen 2000MC Iscomorphot S8/x2 Iscorama 54MC Kowa B&H These are the only ones i've kept & have used extensively.

As 'jcs' said, just don't rise to the provocation - its pointless as most of the time the cranky ones are looking for an argument.   Anyways...what he's kinda saying is that YouTube/Vimeo compression is shit (well we knew this anyway) & H264 is not that great a delivery option as it is. However, H264 does have different flavours & the open source x264 allows you to manipulate the codec to make the compression better quality - give it a go as it really makes a difference.     Back to topic...since i've been editing H264 natively, i'm finding less faults in my footage & i only noticed moire again when i shot the barcode of a salt container. I haven't seen banding for so long, i'm starting to think that my smoking has left deposits on my sensor that has cured it! However, this could be due to finally understanding shooting on a DSLR?

  Yeah same here, there's bits & pieces but never everything - the things that are missing just seem like they might be the most important parts to understand. Thanks for the preset, i'll give it a go & see if it improves what i've already figured out.   And the new settings for YouTube does make you think that these sites might be uping their game (Vimeo has altered theirs to double what they originally recommended). Just hope that H265 gets up & running soon - its about time that H264 was replaced.   @Bruno - give x264 a go, as it will improve the quality of the files you upload, but they will be slightly bigger. And don't get hung up by BR's forthright bedside manner, as he actually knows what he's talking about most of the time.

Got to remember that the BBC are starved of money & this was probably a warning for the Indie companies (who can make programs cheaper than in-house BBC) not to use 16mm film.  A couple of years ago they were still using Digi-Beta master tapes for broadcast & it would be of no surprise if this was still the case.   Also, they are really concerned about the iPlayer quality & whatever they are using to compress/deliver online content. The amount of testing that went on before they rolled out HD was amazing & they have really high image quality standards compared to any other broadcaster in UK.   @BR - was it you that put me onto x264? If so, do you know where i can find an explanation of what all the different settings do.

This BBC directive is only aimed at footage shot on 16mm film & not digital footage - so i'm not sure what your point is. The BBC haven't used 16mm film cameras for ages & the stuff they already have will probably be used [sparingly]. Actually, i remember a program i worked for shot a small piece in 16mm (or was it super8, which is worse for grain), but they passed it anyway. I think what they really mean is use digital & not film, when making a TV programme or Drama - but that's logical due to the expense. Also, the BBC compress their HD footage into stupid small files in order to transmit & it ends up being closer to 720p than 1080p (or it used to).    As for adding grain to your DSLR footage, it can be a real life saver - i've found 30-50% to be best.

If you like the look of the Russain lenses, then stick to them as trying to mix & match footage between different lens makes will be a hassle. But beware because buying Russain lenses can be a bit exasperating, since there are good copies & really bad ones out there.   Jupiter 9 is slightly soft/dreamy wide open, but stop down to f2.8 & it gets sharp (there are 2 different types as well - old version & newer version). Mir 1b (37mm f2.8) - bit soft wide open but gets sharper as you stop down (there are loads of different version & some are better than others). Mir 24 (35mm) - this is a multi-coated lens (so might be more difficult to match up with other single-coated ones) & the cheaper versions are the Nikon mount ones. Really nice lens.   There are wider lenses: Mir 47 (20mm f2.5) - seen & heard good things about this one. Mir 10a (28mm f3.5) Mir 14a (24mm f3.5)   A good place to look & get advice for these lenses is: http://www.mflenses.com/   Look in the forum section & do a search as there is so much info about old MF lenses (e.g. which versions are better than others etc...)

Nice one Rich! As a prototype this is v.promising stuff. Yes there's CA, but i'm sure this can be minimised & it wasn't as if it ruined the shots. The flares were hit & miss - well, the hot spot from the sun was a little full on, but it is the sun after all! Are you thinking of making custom diopters for it as well or will you work on the min. focal distance.   Really nice, keep up the good work!

I've stopped using Cinestyle, it was ok for a while but the banding & other issues got to me.    I've now migrated to Visioncolor's 'VisionTech' & sometimes use their other profiles - they seem to hold up much better IMO.   If you didn't know, Canon have actually produced some other picture styles (i haven't tried them): http://www.canon.co.jp/imaging/picturestyle/file/index.html   And if you have the time here's 123 different PS: http://davidstafford.wordpress.com/2011/07/24/123-free-canon-dslr-picture-styles/