tomekk

LMAO, apple is a joke. I've done a quote for a laptop recently. For smiliar price I can get similar specs laptop with 2x 680M GTX cards.

[quote name='sanveer' timestamp='1354113498' post='22524'] I think, maybe the GH3 pushes 4-2-0, as far as it can go. I am guessing, that, this is pretty close to 4-2-2. Tom, you need a New monitor. I am guessing, that, you cannot notice the level of detail, either because your monitor's resolution isn't too much, or (which is more likely) you need glasses, and, you are not aware of it. Please look at the window grills, and the curtains, and the details on the trees and leaves. [/quote] well maybe, didnt think of it. I'm on the road with laptop. Still I think WB should be the same if u want accurate comparison, no?

^^You can see more details because from the screenshot posted in the link GH3 is brighter maybe due to magenta. To me noise looks the same. To compare cameras ISOs this guy should wb it properly imho. It's not a good ISO test when u set it to auto a let the camera do the magic.

so I can have perfect stealth hybrid, not a video camera only. FF for stills. No crop factor is nice too. If I wanted video only Id buy video camera.

I don't know what's the maximum usable iso for GH3, that's why I asked. 3200. As for tight spaces I mean ppl dancing in clubs kind of stuff. Don't think GH3 will be suitable for that with 2x crop factor. For everything else sure (video wise only though). I wish GH3 was FF.

What's the highest usable ISO? I'm assuming it's 1600? That's pretty low for end of the 2012. Crop factor sucks too. Basically it's a no go for low light, tight places. For everything else - it's nice.

[quote name='Bruno' timestamp='1353198139' post='21880'] What are you on about? I know OSX is based on UNIX, Apple stated it since the beginning, it doesn't mean they just stole it and started selling it as it is. Wrong. They paid large amounts of money to designers, something few others ever do, and that's what makes all the difference. [/quote] Whatever, eot, gn.

[quote name='HurtinMinorKey' timestamp='1353184515' post='21866'] Are you a Canon marketing guy? Nobody is comparing overall value on this forum. All we care about is the video features. For example, when it comes to video quality the BMC takes the 5D3 to the woodshed and teaches it a stern lesson. [/quote] good. it should be eating 5d for breakfast cause, video wise, it’s over 3 times more expensive.

[quote name='Bruno' timestamp='1353179526' post='21858'] All Linux distributions use as much UNIX as OSX does, if not more, try and find me one that's nearly as competent and you'll see that maybe Apple did work a tiny bit more than all the others... or try using UNIX without Apple's interface on top, if you really think all they did was steal it. Saying they "only designed an interface on top" is not only a massive understatement, but you make it sound so easy that I wonder why nobody else has been able to come close. Calling me a fanboy is also useless, I've used Mac, Windows and several variations of Linux professionally for several years, and I'm against Apple in so many other things, but with OSX you're just wrong. [/quote] Ill leave linux vs unix war. aside from that seems like you have no problems accepting that several operating systems such as ubuntu/fedora etc. are linuxes but somehow u can’t accept OSX as just another variation of the unix. Yeah they’ve made better gui for 1 obvious fact. They focused on it and paid large amounts of money to programmers. On the other hand nobody pays open source community for their work. they do it in a free time + their primary goal has always been stability/security/performance. Not user friendliness. Its a server system.

[quote name='sanveer' timestamp='1353156137' post='21844'] I guess, a debate can only have Both sides being heard. And, that is the Only fair way, to go about, with it. I am not a big Mac fan, even though I used a few Mac products (maybe still do). There is no mud-slinging contest. Maybe, you are genuinely ignorant of the kind of language, that is employed in other forums. Maybe, you should spend a few moments, before assuming things. Maybe, even go to forums like DPReview, and PersonalView, to get a perspective.. Most of the debates about DSLRs here, obviously, involve video. And, in a contest between Canon/ NIkon and Panasonic (GH2 and GH3), there is really no contest. In the opinion, of the majority, of this Forum. If you feel otherwise, you are More than Free to post your views (with or without links and proof). [/quote] this topic compares 3k usd bmcc video camera to 3k usd stills + video dslr in case of 5dmk3. video part in a 5d is worth somwhere between 750 to 1k usd. 5d is mainly for stills so the stills part is worth more yhan 1/2 of the total prize. we dont know exactly but we can estimate. Therefore, if you compare video only, You CAN’T use the whole price of the product. Can’t ecplain it more clearly. If u don’t understand I’d suggest reading basic economics books dealing with prices. Basically, every comparison on this site is flawed on the fundamental level because it takes whole price of the product of a dslr. hope I don’t sound arogant now. Just pointing out the fact. it has nothing to do with my opinion vs Andrew’s opinion. It’s about setting correct fundamentals for further discussion.

[quote name='galenb' timestamp='1353147534' post='21839'] Tomekk, this is Andrew's site. It's all about this own opinion. A lot of people come and read his opinion because they value it. It's alright that you don't agree with him (lord knows not everyone does) but seriously, take a look at your tone here. It really reads like you have come here to fight. I'm just saying as an outsider looking in, this looks like really belligerent and disrespectful behavior. If this is not the way you intended to come off, Then I suggest you try a different approach. Just remember, Andrew pays the rent here. If you really find his opinions that offensive then I honestly think you are at the wrong site. The main reason I come to this site and post so much here is because on the whole, I find the tone to very friendly. Even when people disagree, I rarely see arguments turn into personal assault wars. I really value that about this place because of that. [/quote] sorry for my tone.

[quote name='noa' timestamp='1353141843' post='21834'] You are absolutely right, but it's the admin that's keeping this mudslinging contest alive. [/quote] what about his constant canon wise mudslinging contest. you see 1 side not the other.

[quote name='milandirector' timestamp='1353114206' post='21824'] So would this work with laptop computers too? I simply need mobility. Thanks for the advice. [/quote] its harder but doable. read this http://www.macbreaker.com/2012/09/best-hackintosh-laptops-2012-mountain-lion.html?m=1

mac osx cost 20? didnt even know it. anyway you cant install it on a non Apple branded pc so next time calculate total cost they charge. I cant run macosx from dvd for 20 bucks. My last post on Apple vs Pc. Go ahead, buy apple, I dont care anyway, your choice. oh and stop talking bullsh Apple spent years developing it. Plain ignorant and typical apples blind fanboy approach. Ita not macosx the best operating system. It’s UNiX you can say its the best.

[quote name='milandirector' timestamp='1353111895' post='21820'] The point of my post, well the two points are: 1. Although I prefer MAC platforms over PC, I strongly looked into PC laptops, as I m not a fanboy, but want the best available machine to help me with my specific tasks, for the best price. Official response from DaVinci Resolve guys was not to get laptop PC, but an Apple one. 2. I m not an IT guy. I really do not have time for computer issues, outside from editing/coloring/music, etc... (well this is virtually impossible, but I want as little as possible of these "outside" problems). I simply do not have time, nor interest for this, I just need the machine to help me with creative tasks, so that I can get my paycheque and pay for my bread and roof over my head :) For now I get that with MAC, but if PC were to prove better, I would gladly go back with Windows. [/quote] get pc with mac osx cause mac IS a pc. pay 100$ to an IT guy to set it up for you and save few ks$

[quote name='EOSHD' timestamp='1353095592' post='21791'] Let's test this intuitive Windows 7 claim :) Task 1. I need to backup the entire system. I click Time Machine, it is done. You click.... Task 2. I need to have live mail, iMessage and twitter updates top right of my screen. I click Notifications in the control panel and tick a box. You click... Task 3. There's a problem with your hardware configuration. Through research on Google you realise the BIOS has a wrong setting in it. Oh this never happens on a Mac, next... Task 4. Your operating system is in German. I click Language & Text. You click... And tell me how many steps this takes in Windows 7 Home Premium. Task 5 and final task for we want to go back out and shoot. DaVinci Resolve is crashing due to QTDecoder issue, you also have green speckles over video playback in ALL APPS... You fix it for me, whilst I play with my Mac :) [/quote] you paid X$ for your mac, I paid x/2$ for pc with windows so while relaxing playing the best games on it (which you cant on os x) Im waiting for delivery of another pc with unix + mac osx gui for saved x/2$. I win :D

lets not go too technical on this forum. It’s a hybrid. mach component + bsd. The point is. Apple is not Apple :).

if you knew IT a bit you’d know you can buy pc laptop and install mac osx on it (they call it hackintosh) and get same performance for a fraction of price and yeah... you would never go back to overpriced MAC. MAC is the same hardware as PC laptops and is based on FREE UNIX operating system. They’ve just made graphical interface for it and called it Mac OS X to rip you off. The guy didn’t recommend buying laptop PC because even though Apple is using open source software - the work of thousands ppl who contributed FOR FREE to built it, they don’t allow to use it (mac os x) on computers not branded as MACs. I won’t even describe what should happen to this greedy company. Canon in comparison looks like super honest company if u put it next to apple. On a side note. This talk is relevant to the BMCC because postprocessing is part of filmmaking too. As of now I see only DSLRs sucks topics (yet there is nothing better from 5dmk3 for HYBRID work - stills plus video). truth to be told you can’t compare 3k 5dmk3 to 3k bmcc, because 5d is designed mainly for stills. So to be objective, true video part is worth probably between 1/3th to 1/4th of the current price for the 5d, yet noone seems to understand it.

hehe, always last defence of apples funboys ;). ok design, better plastics. Can you explain how you understand better engineering? btw. afair youve built hacintosh. Why didn’t you go and pay full price to get built legendary quality, design and better engineering which all of those are clearly worth the premium.

1. where did I say linux? I clearly said unix. I used it in the past and used mac OsX when it came out - once. So unless something has changed, when open up a shell, you get the structure and core of FreeBsd. 2. Hardware =/= design. So fine, you pay for the design. Quite a lot but fine. Your choice.

@jgharding. yeah. it’s good they’ve finally sorted out manufacturing issue. I don’t agree with all that hate to profit-making companies though ;). If it was not for profit you would never see bmcc in the first place. Profit drives innovations and allows to expand.

@galenb. when you put UNIX inside which is superior for many reasons to windows at this stage (not graphic wise yet, hence the problems with ati cards) what do you expect? Just the problem is ppl doesn’t realize there is no apple left inside their box. what’s left is apple’s half eaten logo and hefty price. Apple is effectively selling PC with Unix. What suprises me, Andrew, constantly talking about how canon is ripping ppl off is defending much worse company. Must be true love. I dont expect him to say: yeah, I was brainwashed by apple but now I understand ;)

Andrew, It’s more stable for the reasons I mentioned. It’s not your old MAC. It’s a PC with UNIX inside but Apple’s limiting GUI. Your petsonal view is flawed because apple is good at brainwashing people ;). Accept the fact, you’ve got PC with UNIX inside and you’re getting ripped off. It’s far more worse than your battle vs canon.

also the topic name is pretty bad unless I missed somwhere that bmcc can take as amazing stills and has as amazing AF as 5dmk3/d800

markm I agree but I’m pretty sure companies will react. It’s natural. They always react.