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Nikon GM saying, they intend to leverage some of RED tech into their cameras. My guess would be at least REDcode Raw and their LOG workflow. I was looking at a 12bit Nraw vs 14 bit NEF raw (Photo) and their was quite a difference in terms of detail in the shadows that would make it great a 14 bit REDraw codec in camera. https://nikonrumors.com/2024/07/22/nikon-plans-to-incorporate-reds-video-tech-in-its-cameras-in-order-to-expand-market-share.aspx/#more-196596

I would advice anyone to wait a little bit. This is someone who did a latitude test with the Z6ii and 3 side by side for photo. My guess Raw video should be close. As can be seen, they are very close. Lowe, doesn't mean bad unless you are some youtuber in search of clicks. In his test, we are 3 above (Might be 2.5) stops, and 5 to 7 stops under depending on your noise detail tolerance. Now, if we go to CineD examples that include everything from GH5 to the Alexa 35. Some things to take into consideration is that I am refering to the LAB test lattittude which I think is much real life than the Imatest one. Secondly they test everything resized to 1080p and do apply some NR to see to what best level they can go. So, the least that z6iii is I would say to be about 2.5 above and 6 stops under. That would be among the best Sony sensor base Latitude test before the Burano. The Z9 was around those numbers. At best reduced to 1080p and NR you could be 3 above and 6 under, that is 9 stops that is Red raptor level, or even 3 to 7 under, that would be 10 stops and you are at original Alexa level!!! Now I don't know if it can be that good, because it is not exact same test and I am extrapolating at all. What is sure is that at 100 ISO, i think the original Z6 sensor was very very close to the Alexa. And so people don't think I am completely fabulizing, look at the latest test of the Burano, reaching about Alexa level https://www.cined.com/sony-burano-8k-lab-test-rolling-shutter-dynamic-range-and-exposure-latitude/ anyone

IF I was you, I would wait a little bit until a CineD lab test. As shown with the Z9 test, between synthetic benchmark and real life latitude test, the result can be very different. Same for the Sony Burano which with the Z9 scored poorly in the imatest test, were for Nikon about the highest Sony based sensor camera with 8 to 9 stop (Even better than the Sony Venice 2), and The Burano, which with its 10 stops latitude, is the first camera to equal the original Arri Alev sensor.

This is the normal bitrate, they have a higher bitrate one, it at least give you the capability to shoot raw at what used to be normal h264/265 bitrate.

So does Niko support LUT or not. I saw reference to th functionality that you can create your own look in Nx studio, but now it is referred to lut??? https://nikonrumors.com/2024/06/18/nikon-nx-studio-1-7-0-and-n-log-3d-lut-1-07-released-with-support-for-the-z6-iii.aspx/

Yes I understand he did balance it, which is good, but as shown by the CineD test I posted you can go from the worst like what people thought of the Z9 to best in class, to even best in the country as with the Burano.

I am seeing the price of the Zf already quite discounted at 2100 Euro (Some site I don't know even have it at 1700 Euro). I don't know if it is sale period or normal price now, because it is 350 euro below launched price. My guess is that Nikon is putting high launch prices for early buyers and true prices tend to come 6 month/1 year after launch. So it depends on each and everyone patience, as true price tend to settle after these first months. https://www.idealo.fr/prix/203267232/nikon-z-f-boitier.html

Yep, and this is why I said to go and watch latitude test on CineD. Before the CineD lab test I did not understand why people were saying Canon was faking its DR by using NR on its RAW files, now I know. Imatest is a synthetic test, you just have to apply a little NR on your footage and it might think the shadows are super clean. Look at Gerald's test of the Z8 h265 test, the thing is he got like an extraordinary number that he found out was due to extra NR on the z8 h265 footage and at the start of the file, that the imatest was fooled. Now look at the lab test at CineD. You will see above that the Xyla/Imatest result aren't that good compared to most other cameras, but watch the latitude test below. While most Sony sensors even the Venice 2 are at best 8 stops of latitude the Z9 is a solid eight and room for nine!!! https://www.cined.com/nikon-z-9-n-raw-lab-test-fw-3-00-rolling-shutter-dynamic-range-and-latitude/ Same for the Sony Burano, Which is even better as it reaches 10 stops of DR, the first camera to reach the Alexa Alev classic DR. https://www.cined.com/sony-burano-8k-lab-test-rolling-shutter-dynamic-range-and-exposure-latitude/ You can see clearly when you analyze the different camera test, that the latitude test is much more real life DR of a sensor than the synthetic Xyla/imatest measurement.

This one is just gorgeous.

Just wait and see how much it cost to use an ambulance in the US, you get 4 Z6iii for one trip. LOL

I think the big move of Alexa to broadcast during the last month, with multi system, is a big clue that this model of 50+ USD cinema camera is a bit at an end. Arri is focusing on the broadcast field as it is still the industry that are investing tens of thousands of dollars in cameras. What the recent sale of RED shows is that the niche camera makers aren't as much valuable as people were thinking.

Their is a test I posted above which is quite good. Something I don't understand is the concept of professionals. Today their is hundred of thousands more event and wedding people working with these hybrid cameras than those working with Arri Alexa on set. And these tools have made the general level of videography much higher than two decades ago.

Yes, but in the end we are getting what would be called very fast readout. Their is not much faster in the industry unless you go RED global shutter, the Arri Alexa has readout of 7.2 Ms, the Sony Fx3 8.4ms.

The guy in this video did a brutal test in direct sun from Texas and the camera came out surprisingly good. It is as from 9min 50. As for DR, I will wait for CineD lattitude test, Nikon implementation of their Nlog is so contrasty that it gives very bad result. In CineD lattitude test the z9 scored a solid 8 going to 8.5- 9 stop latitude. While most Sony's prior to the Burano where around 8 stops. Which scored a good 10!!! The only camera to equal the original Arri Alexa sensor.

For video Gerald undone got 9.5ms, which is faster than the z9 and Canon R5 about 13-15 ms. So for video it is very fast.

I don't know the bitrate of the this new z6iii for sure, but on the z9, you have the 4.1 K raw mode, that is half of the sensor readout, and at 24 fps it is about 350 mbs!!! Since I have known this, everything a bit high-end and not long take I use it. The resolution is 4128 x 2322, so the 6k in the z6iii would be about twice that, so about 700 mbit, which is not much higher than 500 mbit h2.65.

I don't understand, it was said at launch the price would be 2650 Euros and 3000 with the 24-70!!! What has happened since then.

6k 60 fps FF Raw internal video for 2500 USD is a new landmark price performance for hybrid camera, with great weather sealing and autofocus. With its partial Stacked sensor, I am curious to see the DR and refresh rate.

I think people just don't understand "I don't need to look behind me during a horror film, or explore the environment in a war movie etc etc. I mean their is a reason a movie is a movie, as you said, I just lay down, relax and get transported in another world, another story etc. Sometimes you just want to have to do nothing. VR has its place and for 4 decades, and it is games. I have stopped gaming but both have mature in their own ways because it is how people enjoy them.

So Nikon Z6iii is going to get released on the 17th.

What a waste of space, I mean I have a Z9, I always use 4k mode and zero sharpening because it is already too detailed. Once I had the misfortune of using the 4k from 8k output on older people, that thing was so hard to blur the skin as it was so detailed. What is the use of using such resolution then to put all types softening filters.

Yes, it is a bargain for what it is. I mean it seems RED was not doing that well, but for a bigger player, it is a small sum for a big return. I mean Nikon goes from a nobody in the video world, to one of the cameras used in the Cinema industry. They also get some quite unique tech, like the global sensor tech, a codec/color science widely use in high-end cinema industry. And a way to enter the Cinema lens market. The likes of Canon must be biting their lips, it is so cheap that only securing the mount would have been worth it.

What a bunch of non sense from people like you. Nikon has their own tech, the Z9 is superior to the Sony Burano 30k camera!!! They could build a Burano killer tomorrow with the z9 internals, they don't absolutely need RED tech if they wanted to go into the video camera world. But can you show me any of Canon, Panasonic or Fuji with even a tenth of that resumé https://www.red.com/shot-on-red. Please show us, I am sure Canon has be used on the likes of blockbusters like Dr strange, Spiderman, Aquaman, Guardian of the Galaxy, The Suicide SQUAD, The flash and some of the biggest TV shows like the Witcher etc etc. I will wait, to think their are some people who think a company will throw away such a legacy is just dumb. If you don't even know the basic of branding, why Honda who sells Civics, invested billions on an F1 engine, or Renaud doing the same while they sell Clio's. The people from Nikon have said not to expect anything Tomorrow, not because imbecile are going to say they will kill RED, but because it takes time. RED just released a 8k 120fps global shutter camera, vista vision camera. What do you think, they are selling Canon rebel 50, you think release cameras every six months.