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Nikon has about 20% last year, about the same as Sony Market share last year while Panasonic and Fuji had like 4-5% each. Nikon also sold 280 000 FF z6 and z7 last year, which is very solid for 2k+ cameras. So my guess, only Canon will survive, you should stop listening to fail photographers/videographers predending to be expert on youtube.

I hope they give 10 bit to all format, from 4k 60 to 1080 120p. My dream would be they give even cropped or time limited 4k 120 fps. I love the 120 fps even a minute would be enough. I can't understand people saying they need to shoot 30 minutes 120 fps.

https://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/zcountdown.page So Nikon has launched a timer and in two weeks we will know not about mid life upgrade in the S designation but a second Gen Nikon Z6ii and Z7ii. I post below what Nikon Rumors posted as possible specs. So it was before Nikon confirmed a 2.0 model and not S. It is quite interesting because as an S update the changes where quite big, so now it is more in line. For video we see 4k 60 fps 'More new video features'. My guess as it is 2.0 version, I am a bit optimistic that we will get 10 bit and log internal. Even if they are using same sensor, which is debatable as same megapixel doesn't mean necessarily exactly same sensor. As they state faster shooting speed it could be a faster version which would be good in video for less rolling shutter. Now what I would like them to do for the z6, without being out of this world spec, is to give the full sensor 6k raw video readout for external recording at least for 24 to 30p. It would put the z6 again at the top of the ML cameras. Because it already has great IBIS, viewfinder and tracking for video. Some more and higher choice of bitrate would be great. My guess they will at least double the bitrate from 150 mbit 4k 30 p to 300 mbit for 4k 60p. But at least these 300 mbit are also available for 24 to 30p 4k and any slowmotion mode. Those 2x Expeed processor is also a strong indicator that they want to be aggressive for AF etc. If they do all the above they will lack only 4k 120p compared to the A7s3 and Canon R5 but for 1000-1500 less, which would be very competitive. https://nikonrumors.com/2020/09/25/updated-rumored-nikon-z6s-and-z7s-camera-specifications-2.aspx/ The new models could be called Z6 II and Z7 II instead of Z6s and Z7s (still not sure) Incremental update to the current Z6/Z7 models The camera shape is almost the same as Z6/Z7 Same sensor as in the Z6/Z7 Same EVF as Z6/Z7 (previous rumors indicated EVF with 5.76 million dots, the current Z6/Z7 have EVF with 3.69 million dots) Improved AF (Face/eye/animal detection) Dual EXPEED processor Will use the new Nikon EN-EL15c battery USB power Dual memory card slots: CFexpress and SD (XQD/CFX type B, SD-UHS-II) Faster frame rate More buffer memory 4k 60p video More new video features Improved user interface Support for vertical grip with release button/controls (optional accessory) Improved functionality expected with firmware update after release The expected announcement is around October The Nikon Z6s will be the last Nikon camera with a 24MP sensor Higher prices than the current Z6 ($1,797) and Z7 ($2,497) models

Last year Nikon shipped 280 000 FF camera with only the Z6 and Z7 which are very solid numbers. More so that these two models had critical flaws for a big chunk of the Nikon buyers which is dual card slots. This is why all the new models are coming with dual card slot. There was push from many photographers (many event, wedding ones) to only move now to ML because of the dual card slot z5. This was before the rumors of the z62, z72.

What a load of crap, as said before this camera won't stay at 1400, it is at 1300 (body only) now on Amazon, price with different bundle has been between 1250 to 1300, with heavy discount on lens ftz adapter, cards etc. And by the way you can also have for 400 more the Z6 with actual 10bit to raw video. This thing is a baby Z6 with same viewfinder that trounce all the Sony camera until the latest A7s3, Beter IBIS, magnesium body (go and watch how good the construction of the Nikon Z cameras) and I am not comparing it to a 2016 Sony but to the current A73, which the Z5 beats handily. You look like those people that compare cameras on spec sheets. For now their is zero competition to the Z5 in what is a 1300 and by Christmas 1200 to 1250 FF camera.

LOL people always look at their needs as something sacred, just to be polite. That Z5 is lower cost than some APSC cameras, rendering the 1.7 crop about same size as APSC sensor size in 4k. Nikon did not go back, they are giving people a full featured FF camera for the price of APSC ones. Its a primarily FF great photo camera with 4k apsc video for about same price as APSC cameras. A photographer that does some video, it is much better than those apsc cameras,

I really like my DJI osmo action, with firmware update it has really become a very nice action camera.

You know how having a camera business makes Sony sensor business much harder. I am sure they have to go through all types of loops, NDA and contracts to make sure not to loose business. Sony camera business is like 4% of the overall Sony revenue while the Sensor business is like 19% from last I saw. One they are in an ever diminishing market and the other a leader in an ever bigger one. I don't see Sony staying beyond five years in the camera business. While Nikon camera account for 30%+ of its revenue and what many don't know of one of Japan biggest Mitsubishi Keiretsu with one of its main shareholder the biggest bank in Japan. Another thing imbeciles (not you I am saying) on youtube etc don't know, Nikon has still been profitable until Covid19. It's profits fell but R&D rose a lot during the last 2 years and I think it is obvious with the Z camera and nearly 15-16 lens in 2 years, and stellar ones at it. In 5 years I see Canon, Nikon and perhaps Fuji, 3 historical players in the photo business. Big corporation don't keep under-performing business for long, more so with a big recession post Covid19.

Do people think that Sony or even Panasonic will stay in this market for long. Just look at the graph, do you think giant company like Sony are going to stick to like (I read somewhere) 5% or less for a side business that is going even further down. My guess in Max 5 years Sony and Panasonic will have moved from the MILC market, while the historic camera manufacturers will still continue into a post digital era camera market. Which will comprise of enthusiast and professional that will renew their camera every 3 to 5 years.

I duplicated the post, can you give me the timing. I mean they were all in flat and the slowmo was the 120 fps with the 24-70 f4.

I promise, I never intended to continue talking about the Z6 on this Sony thread, but I was doing a little video to show a bit my experience with the z6 and about autofocus, so I remember about a last year shoot during some games I did for a TV channel and then the second one was for a project I already posted about for a community farm I did for a friend. So in the first video its just a small piece where I am not even holding the camera and I just gave it to another friend and setting up another camera and they were just playing. It was with the older Nikon F 1.8 afs and at 1.8 to 2 and I was quite surpised with it because it is super shallow and moving fast. I left where he left the frame and it focus back and he moves in again but I can understand it does not focus again as he barely features, might be too close to focusing distance or could have changed the setting not too move too fast. The second one is like athletes running flat out at the camera and on the side with very busy background etc. Its not easy conditions as you can see there is people around me and in my field of view etc. Sometimes it was even raining and with dark skin (I am brown myself) people it is harder with white sky behind etc. For me those two are quite torture test and even the older running ones on the old sensor did very well for me. The olor is some lut I just slapped , one just contrasted and others are just flat out of the camera. I left all the imperfection so people can see I am not just like cherry picking shots

I promise, I never intended to continue talking about the Z6 on this Sony thread, but I was doing a little video to show a bit my experience with the z6 and about autofocus, so I remember about a last year shoot during some games I did for a TV channel and then the second one was for a project I already posted about for a community farm I did for a friend. So in the first video its just a small piece where I am not even holding the camera and I just gave it to another friend and setting up another camera and they were just playing. It was with the older Nikon F 1.8 afs and at 1.8 to 2 and I was quite surpised with it because it is super shallow and moving fast. I left where he left the frame and it focus back and he moves in again but I can understand it does not focus again as he barely features, might be too close to focusing distance or could have changed the setting not too move too fast. The second one is like athletes running flat out at the camera and on the side with very busy background etc. Its not easy conditions as you can see there is people around me and in my field of view etc. Sometimes it was even raining and with dark skin (I am brown myself) people it is harder with white sky behind etc. For me those two are quite torture test and even the older running ones on the old sensor did very well for me. The olor is some lut I just slapped , one just contrasted and others are just flat out of the camera. I left all the imperfection so people can see I am not just like cherry picking shots

Yep exactly, time is money. If you are just doing some pet project that is good but when you have to work on schedule more so on long form project it can become tedious.

Exactly, when you work from a solid base it is much easier for the average user to get it right. That's what people don't understand, not everyone are hollywood level colorist. That is why you see so many criticism about skin tone etc. even from supposed professional shooters. I mean those you-tube influences are supposed to be above average shooters. And that is why you should not single out that one very nice video or shooter, because are you as good as him?

At least you have great healthcare, paid vacations and not have to be embedded for life to have some quality education LOL. But in this case they are sure exagerating for those prices and it is Canon and Sony who are to blame.

I don't know for sigma, but I know that Tamron is doing it. There latest lens work well on the FTZ also. The FTZ is quite seamless as an adapter because it is Nikon to Nikon. It is not like those Techart adapter which have to reverse engineer lens. But there is incompatibility with older lens, but those that work, work very well. https://nikonrumors.com/2020/06/16/tamron-rep-confirms-mirrorless-lenses-for-nikon-z-mount-are-under-development.aspx/ In the end it is just a question of Markets. As more and more Z camera are sold the different lens manufacturers sees and opportunity or not. For now it is easy also for those that already have nikon F mount version to wait as it more or less works seamlessly with the FTZ adapter. Its all a question

I have to add, I had to add motion to the footage at the start when he talks because at a certain moments another friend who deputize to help foot touched the camera. There was no more shoots to choose from because camera and us will get wet with rain. It is that friend, knowing nothing about how to use the camera that was holding it in the shots at the end. I had the second z6 with the 24-70 f4 to shoot larger.

Don't understand at all, in theory their could be speed boosters for MF lens, but why, isn't full frame already shallow enough. Nikon even have the 58 mm 0.95 NOCT. You already have a ton of adapters from Nikon Z mount and Nikon has the FTZ adapter that give you access to a ton of Nikon Fmount lens and all the compatible Zeiss etc. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=zeiss nikon&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma Nikon own Z lens are from extremely good to exceptional, but more for autofocus than manual focus as they are fly by wire. In fact for myself I intend to buy a set of Nikon AFS lens, I already used the 50 1.8 and it worked super good even with autofocus. I must get a 35 and 85 mm. I already got some older lens that will be pure manual focus. I did this video for a friend crowd funding project for a organic community farm to help people in the tourism industry impacted by the virus. This is like a teaser, he is the guy at the start and 1.45 . These were done with AFS 1.8 the rest were done with the Nikon Z 24-70 f4S, it was done very fast because weather was not good during the 2 days we shot s seen in the drone shot at the start.

You mean the company that gave us first FF 10 bit video and then Prores RAW?

Yes it is mine, I mean there are some grading in these shots, but nothing big. What people that don't understand skin tone (Worked a lot in hotel industry here and have my fare share of burned, pink, violet skin etc) when you put that under the blazing sun here it is brutal. I always say if the guy who said golden hour stayed here, he would say golden 20 minutes, so harsh is the light. From the rumor it is expected to give 4k 60p, but I don't know for the rest. I sincerely hope that they at least give internal 10bit and log and higher bitrate with that. The best case scenario, if they actually want the z6 to still retain perhaps the best hybrid camera (Yes it is up there) is to give the full 6k sensor readout and at least burst, like 2-3 minutes 4k 120 fps because beyond all the overheating talk nowadays, I don't see it practical to shoot long period of 120fps footage because afterward it is a pain in editing. They have the sensor, very nice ergonomic, viewfinder and ergonomics, the color science, motion cadence etc... Just give full sensor RAW at least to 30 p. I do reportage for a very well known News network, so even where about 25 minutes. But my final aim is always narratives. And in narratives slowmotion is secondary. I have other footage I have worked on, I should post, but I think on another treat. If I had time i would do some tutorial and experience on the z6, because I really like this camera and I can't understand the slack it gets. I mean, I am so fedup with those bias guys who give all type of excuse for Sony and will trash all the other cameras. Even if I don't use it, you can get FF RAW video with great AF, IBIS, viewfinder, rear touch screen etc for 2k body (including the $200 firmware) + 600 Atomos.

Did you use it, for me it was appropriate because until the D850 (dx camera d500) we never had the best AF system in mid to high megapixel general purpose camera. Again shoot with a d850 and compare that to any Sony bare the A9. For sure it does not have full frame coverage and eye AF. That is why the Z Af was better for me as I don't shoot birds in flight. But guess what the Sony's were great when they added eye, animal AF and timelapse (present since at least 7 years on Nikon cameras) But Nikon unfinished when they released there firmware update... https://alphauniverse.com/stories/firmware-update-brings-time-lapse--real-time-eye-af--animal-eye-af-to-sony--7r-iii---7-iii/

Exactly, they are just brainwashed by their youtube gods. The latest on is that guy called Undone. I call him the pink guy before all his new found fame. I mean I would never present myself with such colors, when he just not well shave he looks like a drunk with the colors he has graded himself. The guy who tells you not to take into consideration that the Sony overheats.... While it factually does. I am fed up about youtube shooters that are some kind of like of authority now while they never venture outside of their basement studios. I mean I remember all the fuss about Nikon 4k RAW video being less detailed than the 4k (6k down scaled to 4k), so what about charts that show clearly that the A7s3 is much less detailed than the S1H for example?

Did you use it or did you just listen to bias reviews. From the start video AF has been around the best, secondly when it came out people where comparing it (Z7) to the D850 which has the D5 style AF. We are talking AF only the likes Sony A9 can keep with. Since then they have released firmware after firmware to put more and more features from eye AF to prorez RAW. Tell me is this AF bad, or you will listen to some youtuber who use the camera 15 minutes

And work in harsh tropical conditions with very hard light, high temperatures and monsoon rains. Until now zero shutdown or any malfunctions. From all the Nikon bodies this is my most preferred body, at worst I keep it in its cage even for photos As I prefer a little bit larger bodies. Because it serves me so well in photos also even when I worked on Film set as set photographer, shooting between it and d810, I had no problem thinking I was looking in an actual viewfinder.

What, have you ever used a z6, I mean just hold it and looked not at those small pixelated display but its viewfinder. I mean, just this makes it a complete different experience. The day I just hold and looked at an A73, I said wtf is all the hype about this toy, do people hold these cameras, or they have to rig the hell out of it for it to be usable. My Z6 (even a little bit too small for me) is just a joy to use, even compared to full pro body like my D810 . I mean I can control nearly everything from my right hand and never leave the viewfinder. The IBIS and very very good video autofocus have people confused if I am shooting video or photo because with those two, I can nearly shoot without a tripod (needed for good pans) And what about the image quality, great colors out of the box, great motion cadence, very nice internal codec.