Oliver Daniel

I understand that, but that example doesn't show a true representation of the X5R's lowlight capability. Who on earth goes around filming at ISO 3200 at f16?

I can't help but notice those higher ISO's are shot at f8, f11 and f16! Why not all at f2.8? Yes, I think what I mean is that the software is installed on the MacBook and the footage can be saved on set? I'll consult other users about the longevity. Need an extra SSD anyway. Especially when saving on set isn't an option and too time consuming. But that price....woah!!!

Thanks for the comprehensive opinion there. Within the week, I'll have the funds available to get the Osmo and X5R... if I choose to. I love the concept and I could see myself using it rather obsessively! Your points are definitely worth thinking about - these are the solutions/non-solutions I can think of.... 1. Price - for a camera/gimbal/drone set up that shoots 4K RAW it's actually not bad at all. But as an unexperienced drone operator, 1 wrong move and it's all over. It appears price may be coming down, though, so this may change things. A reduction in price would make this far more tempting. My view is the same with other drones, regardless of the camera. You just have to know your stuff and be insured. It's one of those things. 2. Media cost - the proprietary SSD's are like $1500 or something. These need to come way down as I'd prefer a couple spares. Even at $1k they'd be pretty pricey... and proprietary... why? Yes, this is an absolute bastard! I was shocked when I researched this. How can an SSD cost that much? They give you an SSD with the camera itself! The only thing I can thing of is to shoot HD for a year, see if the price comes down on the SSD's. An extra SSD would be ideal. 3. Offloading - last I checked you needed their proprietary software and this was quite a painful process. If at least you could just dump it onto a hard drive, that would be one thing, but apparently you can't. What a pain. I'm not too fussed about this as I always have a Macbook on set with an external hard drive in case I need to dump some footage. 4. Gimbal issues - these may get worked out, but to my knowledge there were issues with the gimbal connecting with the smartphone/monitor. I observed this issue at NAB. But again, perhaps this will be solved. I think there was a firmware update to address this + battery issues. 5. Batteries - they do not last long and you'd need a few. I don't remember them being ultra costly, but adds yet another cost. I've heard they last about 30 minutes each with the X5R. They are pretty cheap though. Also you can use an extension cable to power it with a Ronin battery all day, however a little annoying having a Ronin battery on your belt. I guess it depends how long you intend to shoot for, and if you have nearby mains power or a small generator to keep batteries charging.

The Kinefinity Terra 5k has a global shutter. I get picked for jobs for what ideas I film with a camera, rather than what I own... so the Terra, on paper, is more than ideal.

Awesome. I think DJI could really improve this product if they added ProRes recording. Surely they have the ability to do this?

I'm personally not fussed about the audio thing - different needs and all that stuff. The 1080p RAW looks great. Do you know if it's possible to use the compressed X5 codec when you don't want to use RAW?

The footage looks excellent there, looks like a good first effort by Nino.

Haha, fair enough. It's a very intriguing prospect though, no doubt. Hooe the C500 works out, looking forward to hearing a report on ergonomics with the 7Q. And image quality of course.

The 5k seems like the better model. Current Kinefinity users have little to complain about and recommend the cameras. The Chinese thing puts people off, however the parent company making these cameras are absolutely massive. Andrew has reviewed and featured previous Kinefinity cameras but has so far ignored the Terra. It is intriguing - because if Kinefinity pulls this off, they wil have by far the most complete cinematic camera package considering its price point. I really do hope they pull it off. I really do. As for any Odyssey fuelled camera setup like the C500, it's just a little bulk too much. Worked hard to go very portable with my gear this year.

I would buy the C500 if only I didn't have to have the very expensive and rather large Odyssey on top. It's not a small camera once you add that. This is what stopped me getting FS700 and FS5. The Kinefinity Terra 5k/6k is out this year. It's much smaller and doesn't require a bulky recorder. It has interchangeable mounts. Switchable shutters. ProRes and Raw. It also has 5k 60fps and 2k 200fps.

Yes, on the companies websites, the price is at $3199 on all of them.

Wow, nice share. The DJI performs really well here. I think I'll be getting an X5R and Osmo soon, just need a bit more monies. Seems ideal. The combo looks worth it.

That's incredibly cheap, bloody hell! Could it be a mistake? You're right though, the current pistol grip/camera combinations out there right now scare me off with reliability and balancing issues. The beauty of the DJI is the pick up and go style, with a great app to operate it with.

I can't afford one of these bigger ones, plus they can be quite complex - and the Inspire 1 is way more portable. All my gear is insured. It's more the Osmo I'm interested in with the X5R. There's very little footage out there though.

I've operated the gimbal on the DJI S900 and S1000 before (see video). Also noticed the X5R has gone down a lot in price, although still expensive... but the ease of integration over other solutions may be worth it. My only concern is the raw bitrate.... 1.7 Gbps! The property SSD's from DJI are bloody well expensive!! I guess you can dump the footage, transcode the files to ProRes and delete the raw masters after the project is done. 30 mins per 512gb SSD though... :-s I'm more interested about the Osmo combination... that's my priority really. Not too much of a fan of the X5 h.264... heavy aliasing and over sharp (hence looking at X5R).

I have to say I'm a little obsessed with the thought of buying the DJI X5R with the Osmo and Inspire 1. Has anybody else on the forum played with the idea a little? The seamless integration of the X5R with the Osmo and Inspire 1 is very attractive. Other gimbals (like my Ronin-M) can be very cumbersome and the pistol grip solution that exist now seem quite problematic.

Wow, there's no need to argue over camera guys... it's like arguing which women available will make the best wife.... everyone, and everything is different. I happen to think the XC10 is the better video camera, but neither of the cameras are right for me. There are other options. It's not important. What is important however, is whether you have selected the right camera for you, and if that camera services your creativity. Some days, my iPhone will be the better camera of the A7S II. Whatever. Let's make stuff.

For best results, the rule is that your shutter should basically be double your frame rate. If you shoot 60p and have your shutter at 1/60 - that can end up looking pretty jumpy, especially if the subject is moving quickly. So at 60p your shutter should be at least 1/120. At 120p it should be 1/240. At 240p it should be 1/480p...and so on. You also need to judge the speed of movement you are capturing - the shutter 1/120 at 60p may need to be a higher number.

I had the Sony RX10 II and thought it was terrible as a video camera - so I can relate to your feelings of the RX10 III. A completely frustrating and soulless experience. XC10 - I'm curious about a 2nd version. If they just made that lens 2.8 all the way through.....

This isn't good enough... I was expecting at least 12k at 480fps with 10 axis of in body stabilisation on a global shutter and very clean 100,000 ISO. Joking aside.... cool! I can imagine Hollywood liking this. Have you read anything about the Kinefinity Terra Andrew? It looks like a mini powerhouse for not a lot of money. Surprised not to have seen a blog post

On that list, I've only used the Sony A7S II - so I'll give you a mini review: The 120fps has a 2.2 crop of the sensor. There are issues. There's much more noise than in full frame mode, and also the noise looks magnified/amplified/uglier/bigger. I find focusing harder in this mode than full frame mode, for some odd reason. There's also very bad aliasing and moire, sometimes even on skin. It's soft, but can look very sharp if sharpened nicely. It can look very cool when used at the right moment. Not ideal for professional use, good enough for very low end stuff though. if I had to score out of 10... I'd give the 120fps mode a 5.

Wait for some footage, but you might want to consider the Kinefinity Terra - which does a lot of the stuff the FS700 does and more. Plus, it's tiny! Im looking at possibly pairing up the Terra with the DJI X5R on an Osmo. The reason I've not personally gone for the FS7, Ursa Mini 4.6k or FS700/7Q is just down to the bulk. I want a powerful but very portable setup which will match my largely battery powered kit - go anywhere, do anything. Depends what you do.

Thanks for the info Ebrahim. The stuff I've seen shot on 5D raw is pretty special. Love the motion cadence and deep colours.

The aesthetic feels empty. The 1" sensor with the fixed lens is soulless. Focusing is a nightmare. Good luck pulling it from subject to subject! Slog2 is only good in bright daylight. Lowlight is terrible. I've read on a couple of reviews it's great upto 6400. More like 400. Slo mo mode is far too limiting and looks pretty bad. It does a lot of things but none of it particularly well. Sony A7SII is a great tool in the bag. It's a difficult camera to use, however really stunning quality is achievable. Major downsides are battery life, white balance accuracy, 120fps mode is heavily cropped and really amplifies noise. I think I'll always have an A7S model in the bag

No. I bought 2 purely based on the specs, and to be honest it was very disappointing. Sold after 3 shoots.