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@webrunner5 Before leaving for Korea in 2007, I gave my best friends, an elderly couple, a 40" Sony Trinitron, a 75-pound tube set, as a going away gift, and they absolutely freaked out. "We can't have that in our house!" They used to spend their evenings watching public broadcasting on a 19" set or something like that, I can't recall. A couple of years later, they were thanking me. hehe

Ron, I can practically guarantee that if you had the opportunity to watch the acclaimed Netflix documentary series Chef's Table on a true HDR set (not one of those fake $400 HDR jobs), you would change your mind.

I understand what you're saying, but even a drama or documentary shot on a BMPCC will look vastly better in HDR compared to SDR.

I posted this video in another thread, but just to show that (1) HLG is capable of phenomenal image quality; (2) for us mere mortals not fortunate enough to sell a series to Netflix, YouTube is a great way to share HDR content; and (3) HDR is here to stay, I am re-posting it. Of course, it helps to view it on an HDR television!

Nobody is demonizing anything, @Matthew Hartman. rec.709 has standards as does rec.2020. I never said 8-bit sucked. What I said was that YouTube would not recognize as HDR an HLG 8-bit video I tried to upload and I would simply like to know whether any forum members have uploaded Sony a7rIII HLG HDR to YouTube. Thanks! edit: the headline news was HDR, but I guess it's fallen on deaf ears.

@Matthew Hartman Right - 10-bit is an absolute minimum figure, with most colorists with any knowledge at all preferring 12-bit and even higher. I am still curious whether anyone here has even tried uploading Sony HLG HDR to YouTube, because I have a suspicion it isn’t possible.

@Axel In Preferences, check Show HDR as raw values, which will allow you to preview the clips. If I were going to do color correction, I would definitely shoot V-Log, and work in HDR10. Of course, you would then need an external monitor and third party hardware to connect it to your Mac. But if you plan on uploading HDR video to YouTube, the steps I posted are basically the same, regardless of whether you’re shooting RAW, Log or HLG.

Your best bet is the Laowa with ETC. it is fast, compact and reasonably priced. A Tokina + speedbooster will not only be a much more expensive proposition, it will also be much heavier and bulkier and perhaps not as sharp as the Laowa.

Maybe I should’ve done a YT search before asking, but... I had my doubts when Sony released a camera that supposedly shoots HLG high dynamic range video, but only in 8-bit, which every single authority without exception says is not acceptable for HDR. A few in the forums have responded by insisting that while Panasonic requires 10-bit, Sony does not. However, during my first attempts to upload an HLG video to YT last night shot with my GH5 from within FCP (which I soon learned is not possible), a warning appeared saying YT would not accept HDR video in 8-bit. It was only later that I learned that I first had to create a master file and upload it through YT’s website. So my question is - has anyone here uploaded Sony HLG HDR video from the a7riii to YouTube? Edit: YouTube’s own support page does not even acknowledge 8-bit HDR.

Workflow, FCP X v.10.4

Sometimes when I can't find a bottle opener, I just use my keys.

Your television is not HDR, sorry to say. HDR Pro and HDR Effect are not true HDR. Your TV doesn't support HLG, HDR10 or Dolby Vision.

The HLG HDR flag appears in the upper right corner of my LG C7. I tested it numerous times.

Eureka! I just uploaded my very first HDR video to YouTube. It's actually my 'Shooting Models at Night' clip, but in rec.2020. No color correction. No HDR monitor required. No expensive equipment or i/o stuff. Easy as pie! Of course, if you want to grade your work, you'll probably want to shoot V-Log and get an HDR monitor, but if you expose and white balance carefully, you can edit HLG and deliver to YT no problem. The video should be watched on an HDR capable television or smart phone. Colors aren't perfect by any means, but I'm still pretty excited. "Hold Me Close" by Ryan Andersen Creative Commons

In 4K, ETC mode is virtually indistinguishable from shooting without it. I’ve used it a ton in my videos already. Super useful feature.

The Laowa @Cinegain recommends hits your sweet spot with ETC mode enabled on the GH5.

I’ve just done a little casual shooting with it, nothing screen shot worthy. ? My model Huong even texted the other day, asking when we’re going to shoot again, however.... I made a vow to myself to start making short films this year... nothing extraordinary, just 2-3 minutes long... but I haven’t come up with any remarkable ideas. If lightning strikes, maybe I can do some test shots next week and share the results.

I’m all about options - other cameras with great low light performance, IBIS and blazing fast autofocus with no hunting also exist. What good is lowlight ability if your camera’s af keeps pulsing? Concerning gimbals, in conjunction with IBIS, it has been shown time and again to be superior to no IBIS, at least on single-handed gimbals. At $2500, the GH5s is already $700 USD more dear than what I paid for my GH5 (40% more expensive!) and loses one of the camera’s most beloved features. A few of the camera’s quirks aside, I find Andrew makes a compelling case for the a7rIII over the GH5*.

If your camera shoots LOG or RAW, you can edit and grade it for HDR delivery

At $3,000, the Leica Elmarit 200mm f/2.8 had better be good... and boy, is it! The list of pros fills half a page. It is by far the sharpest m4/3 lens lenstip has ever reviewed, from wide open. OIS is around 4.5 stops, and with the IBIS of some of the newer Panasonic bodies, 6.5 stops of stabilization is probably no exaggeration. The only con? AF hunts.... ?

Some were saying that you needed to use something like the $2,500 USD AJA Io 4K Plus in order to work with the Ninja Inferno as a grading monitor for HDR. According to Mystery Box, not true! Samuel Bilodeau, responding to my comment over at his blog writes: The Ninja is only a 1080 screen and doesn't read the HDMI metadata so you don't need the premium I/O connectors, just something that handles 1080. Then, add our LUT to grade in HDR10 with proper contrast. Incidentally, he’s referring to grading Vlog L, not HLG.

There’s also the issue of charts - what may appear to be a significant advantage on a test chart does not always translate into dramatically better performance in the real world. In other videos, I had a difficult time telling the two cameras apart at ISO 400. Of course, the advantage is clear at higher ISOs.

@AaronChicago He does say the GH5s is cleaner at the extremes of exposure than the GH5. It’s still so subjective. For one thing, trying to judge clips with YouTube compression. And I’m allergic to noise. ? Maybe when it’s available here, I can do a quick side-by-side test in the shop.

Dynamic range, low light sensitivity and other cool stuff. Based on what I’ve seen so far, I wouldn’t be purchasing the GH5s for extra dynamic range. Sorry if this has already been posted.

As much as I respect Thomas Smet and appreciate the thought that went into his overly optimistic analysis... the working methods he is suggesting run contrary to my own as well as those of the filmmakers I admire most. There’s no right or wrong here, it’s personal preference for sure. But before getting into that, I’m still highly skeptical that ISO 2500 is going to be as clean or have as much color depth as ISO 400. That out of the way, I much prefer the quality of fast primes to slow zoom lenses, at least in the micro four thirds system. And shooting between f/4-5.6 is like shooting at f/11-16 in full frame terms - not very attractive for what I shoot, but maybe great if you do a lot of real estate jobs. Not sure what he means by closing down the iris so much in order to reach the sweet spot of the lens, unless he’s talking about inexpensive kit zooms, because good lenses should be sharp enough wide open. Your equipment shouldn’t be dictating your choices for you, so choose gear that is right for the job. Anyhow, I wouldn’t slavishly allow test charts to determine which aperture I shoot at. I just finished watching an episode from Chef’s Table on Netflix, and I’m fairly certain the entire episode was shot at f/2.8 or wider, much of it probably at f/1.4, with what appears to be super 35 - and it’s a gorgeous look. I’ve never needed a basketful of ND filters outdoors to shoot at wide apertures like he’s talking about either, but then again, I never shoot out in the open at high noon. As far as lighting goes, I have to give him credit just for mentioning it. But using smaller, cheaper LEDs is the very last thing you want to do, even if your camera is clean as a whistle at ISO 50,000. Because very small light sources produce unpleasant light. And good LEDs are dirt cheap nowadays. For shooting interviews or beauty shots anyway. Not saying small lights don’t have their uses. I don’t know, much of his reasoning seems to be based on saving money, but anyone investing in a $2,500 camera should be prepared to purchase the best lenses available as well as good lights, microphones, etc. Why buy the most expensive m4/3 camera to date and skimp out on the essentials? Edit: I just finished watching slashcam’s low light test, and ISO 400 on the GH5 is better than ISO 2500 on the GH5s. No surprise there.