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@markr041 Thanks for the update, Mark. The LG C7 OLED also correctly recognizes HDR content when using the YouTube app, with a little flag appearing briefly in the upper right corner of the screen.

10 bit was noisier to me, not cleaner. Uploader said the 10 bit files were noisier too, not cleaner.

@Vesku Soon, I'm going to have to suspect you of trolling.... First of all, you've already posted several times that you see no difference between IPB and ALL-I. Repeating the same thing every day ad nauseum makes no sense. Everybody knows that YT changes uploaded videos to interframe compression, so the only way to evaluate the images is by downloading samples. Or, better yet, since you've got the GH5, shoot some samples yourself rather than complaining all the time about what random people upload to YT.

@Vesku I haven't watched the video yet, but the only way to judge ALL- I is by downloading the original files, right? When videos are uploaded to YT, they are no longer intraframe compression...

Never mind HDR, I'd wager that some 90% of shooters still have no idea how good their current kit is... If you've ever seen how incredible GH5 rec 709 video can look on a 55" OLED screen, you'll never want to settle for watching your videos on anything less, be it a 27" 5K iMac, let alone a 15" laptop ever again. As far as pricing goes, I consider the Inferno at $1,000 to be on the expensive side, while I didn't hesitate dropping $2,200 clams on my LG C7. Go figure! Expect some competition in 2018.

I think the learning curve is the biggest hurdle - getting an Inferno and HDR TV to use as monitors is the easy part!

I think what Vesku is trying to say is that there aren't any demonstrations of the advantages of ALL-I over IPB, just talk. But you can't really prove anything by uploading to YT, since it's no longer ALL-I. I think the answer is, if you've got the GH5, just try shooting with it and editing it yourself.

For those who don’t understand the benfits of helium: Potential speed and density are increased because helium, which is less dense than air, creates less drag and turbulence. The medium’s increased density makes it possible to put seven platters in the same space required for five in conventional hard drives, reducing the weight-to-data ratio by 30%. The smaller motor required to drive the disk consumes 23 percent less power and runs 4-5 degrees cooler, while also running more quietly. According to Western Digital (whose subsidiary HGST released the first helium drive), the storage density results in a lower cost per gigabyte (GB) and also a lower total cost of ownership (TCO). Source In sum, smaller, lighter, cooler, quieter, less expensive and more energy efficient.

@Don Kotlos Which is why I think it'll be a long time before we see HDR really take off - the small number of consumer cameras expected to sport HDR in the coming year, the lack of affordable external monitors that support HDR (most people, myself included, already consider $500 a lot for a monitor/recorder), home computer monitors aren't HDR ready and not all televisions are wifi ready or have an encoder to read YT HDR content (though I guess you can purchase a player?). Not all television sets support all available flavors of HDR. For example, a TV set might have Dolby Vision, but not HLG. And apparently, we've got televisions that were rushed to market without certification. And even Sony's a7R III, marketed as HDR ready, is in fact 8 bit.

@Drew Allegre Gotcha. We can be sure that the LaCie D2 uses Seagate Barracuda Pro enterprise class drives. Two of my LaCie Porsche desktop drives malfunctioned during the warranty period, but that's no biggie - I keep backups of everything - what bothers me is that they run at 5400 RPM and only have a 3-year warranty as opposed to five. My two LaCie Rugged Raid 4TB and two Seagate Backup Plus Fast 4TB portable drives have been dependable.

I'm not sure I understand what an aftermarket drive is, but I'm still learning. I thought all external drives were aftermarket. Anyhow, far more pertinent than who makes the drive, which is of no interest to me whatsoever, are the hard drive failure rates published quarterly by trusted companies like Backblaze and performance reviews by websites like Anandtech. Of course, reliability is a key consideration, but by no means the only one: price, speed, availability and warranties must all be taken into consideration. Enterprise drives typically have longer warranties than consumer drives (5 years vs. 2-3 years). Here's a review by Anandtech of the 10TB drive used in the LaCie D2 Thunderbolt 3. For a drive with strong write performance, low power consumption, a five-year warranty and a reasonable cost of around $60/1TB, the D2 is a value leader.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but while it would appear that HDR has the pope’s, as well as Google’s and NASA’s blessings; and Sony, Panasonic and other manufacturers are adding HLG to their cameras; and even as Blackmagic Design, Apple and other companies have already or are in the process of updating their NLEs; HLG was developed primarily as a distribution format, not an editing one: so that anyone intending to do a even a moderate amount of color correction would be better off avoiding HLG altogether and shooting in LOG instead. I don’t know of any consumer cameras that shoot Dolby Vision or HDR10 as of yet, maybe next year...

Well, just because I can't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Same with the tooth fairy. But Andrew is careful to use the words subliminal and subtle, which are not exactly words I'd use to describe something that jumps out at you. In other words, even Andrew understands this isn't something that's going to make you drop the XL bucket of hot buttered popcorn in your lap.

@Vesku I can’t, and I’d like to do a double blind test with those who believe otherwise. All this motion cadence talk makes me fall on the floor doubled over with laughter! One claims Sony has lousy motion cadence, another Panasonic... Not once have I heard a director of photography, when talking about gear, mention motion cadence. The ear is more sensitive to changes in pitch, yet five years and over two hundred videos on YT later, several of which I mistakenly uploaded at the wrong frame rate, not a single person noticed - not even those in which I was speaking! Lumix GM1 1080p 28 Mbps looks lovely to me too, BTW.

I could insert one frame with a squirrel munching on acorns every few seconds too and nobody would be the wiser.

@Fritz Pierre I still own three LaCie Porsche desktop drives, but two have already failed (good thing they were still under warranty, so they replaced them) and they’re quite a bit slower than either the portable Seagate Backup Plus Fast (pretty much unstoppable), the LaCie Rugged Raid 4TB (also reliable) or the D2 Thunderbolt 3.

LaCie D2 Thunderbolt 3 works for me. (7200 RPM)

HEVC and HDR supported in FCP X 10.4, expect by end of 2017. Source

I've owned at least five Panasonic cameras including the G85, never had this happen. I installed firmware update v2.1 on the GH5, it runs just fine. AFAIK, I'm not sure if it qualifies as a bug if only two of the thousands of members of one of the largest online communities of Panasonic owners experience a small glitch.

First sample footage of the Veydra Mini Prime 16mm T2.2. Sharper than any of the ones I've tested yet.

@Thomas Hill That's one way to bring a thread back to life! Excellent work, nice color, wonderful acting.

@Cinegain [...] ? Not gonna disagree with you there, but first, I think we should be comparing the Veydras to other cine glass, not to stills lenses... Secondly, a set of four true cinema lenses (eight if you count ETC mode. ?) with the ‘Summilux factor’ would easily set us back over $20,000, whereas the Veydras would only run around $4,000-$5,000. And lastly of course, there’s the subject matter, technical skill, lighting and grading - I’ve seen worse shot with Angenieux, Arri Primes and Cooke. I’ve also seen lots better. ?

You mean the manual focus clutch ring.

Another rant about the Veydra Mini Primes. I've got nothing but time on my hands, so why not stir up the pot a bit? I realize all the excitement and hubbub's about the upcoming Sigma and Olympus lenses (interesting, since they never fail to lose out big time to the Leicas in my video comparisons!), I look forward to testing them out myself, but I can still have my fun.... A recent commenter on my YouTube channel, in response to a video I made asking why more people weren't talking about these lenses, postulated that filmmakers might not be interested in the Veydras because of their clinical character, the fact that they're too sharp, too 'perfect', or something to that effect - that filmmakers are looking for imperfect lenses with character and dreamy bokeh to draw viewers into the story - and mind you, this person owns most of the Veydras himself, except for the 19mm I believe. And as far as I know, he doesn't regret his purchase one iota. This sounded suspiciously like the kind of talk I've been hearing for years about Panasonic lenses, whose aberrations are corrected for in firmware - yet the Veydras utilize no such electronic legerdemain! But then, a couple weeks later, another commenter joins in to say he agrees with the first fellow, that he'd thought about purchasing one or several Veydras while he was in Thailand, but that the salesman at the shop he went to was either incompetent or rude or something (no surprise to me, from my own experience), and as he hadn't seen much in the way of decent videos online of the Veydras anyhow, he decided to go with the Voigtlander 17.5mm f/0.95 instead. Can't fault him there, as the Voigtlanders are among the best built lenses period, and not only in the m4/3 ecosystem - though he does find time to complain about the lack of customer support, about which I know nothing, since I haven't needed any from Voigtlander yet... And in spite of the fact that I'm not smitten myself with the founders of Veydra (I think they're complete jackasses) or some of their authorized retailers... this idea that the Veydras are somehow too sharp or too perfect (or even boring), I'm not sure where this nonsense all started, since there's so little information available online, just a couple reviews and a handful of videos if that, and this, a couple of years since their release - and most of the 'opinion shapers' in the forums have never even shot with them... but the fact of the matter is, that just about any native m4/3 prime - be it Panasonic, Leica, Sigma or Olympus - is without question sharper than the Veydras. And among third party lenses, the Voigtlander Noktons are among the sharpest, with the 25mm setting a resolution record that remained unbroken for quite some time. Modern lenses sometimes have as many as thirteen or more elements and one or two aspherical lenses, while the Veydras, in order to keep costs down, can't boast of a single aspherical element in any of their lenses. Several m4/3 lenses are critically sharp from their widest aperture, such as the Leica Nocticron 42.5mm f/1.2, while the Veydras don't even get acceptably sharp until closed down to f/4. You read right - f/4! Reviewers are practically unanimous on this point. That means they all agree, btw. And as far as bokeh goes, from the footage I've shot myself, it looks pretty damned pleasing. Beautiful, in fact. So no, the Veydras are not Zeiss CP 3's or Arri Master Primes or whatever, but for less money than many premium m4/3 lenses, they're not a bad investment at all.