Fritz Pierre

Well the issue for Panasonic could be and is what they spent on R&D, manufacture and marketing of this product...for a publication like C5D to come along, and label what to me personally is a huge feature in this camera (Vlog) as "unusable) WTF!...motivated possibly as "click bate" as some members have pointed out...maybe that's a part of C5D's business model...but you cannot make your business model dependent, on possibly slandering an extremely anticipated product!...of course Panny lent them the camera????...but still

Well in my mind that would completely reasonable on Panasonic's part to go after them legally...to publish something as a review and then call a major feature "unusable" in a pre-production camera with, what many have concluded, were flawed tests, certainly would seem to get to the realm of legal liability!...for whatever their motivation was...I think in reality, C5D has hurt themselves more than Panasonic...GH users wait a long time for the next releases of the cameras...for perhaps the sole reason that they know in the next incarnation they get a lot...in a bulletproof platform to boot....not difficult to see from this thread who do and don't like the GH5...becomes obvious rather quickly...even if the "interest" in the camera is initially shown, the drop away rate at any perceived "flaw" in the camera, regardless of operator ignorance or error is instantaneous...for those who actually work with the GH cameras, this may just the most anticipated I can remember for a while....

Perspective is such a curious thing....give me the same operators that make the FS700 sing for you on a rigged GH5, and to my eye and taste, the GH5 will blow it away...I intend to use it along with a Varicam LT, and I would NEVER consider the FS700 as Bcam to the Varicam...oh well...this way we're all happy with our choices And for those that think these cameras look like "video"...which of corse they are....below is the trailer for a feature shot on the GH2...for anybody who's never seen it...this is what you can do with a GH camera Off topic I know...but possibly relevant to those actually interested in the GH5 for narrative work.

Just looked at Martin Walgren's footage of his short Film Winters grip...this footage looks as good as anything I see from top cinema cameras...thought I'd just toss in my totally subjective little "review" of a properly filmed Gh5... my review also maybe has a place in this thread, as it seems it' easily as subjective, as the one Cinema5D did. I did not blow anything up to 400 percent, as I will not be using the camera in the way, cine5D seems to be intent on. The images I wanted to see were right in front of me and in normal aspect completely satisfied my needs...amazing stabilization...flawless functioning, in obviously freezing temperatures, and I hope the clip I watched was shot on Leica 12-69....just confirmed in the comment section....so my conclusion...if you want a stunning image that grades well...shoots well, under trying conditions and a system that's extremly robust, the GH5 is the right camera for you!....if you want to use a camera the way cine5D does....perhaps I'd recommend the Canon C700...it little bit more expensive!!!...but when you blow it up 400 percent, the C700 really come into it's own!!!

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In those words lie maybe one of the biggest issues regarding the GH5 & 4, or really any other Hybrid/Dslr style camera for that matter.... "I've uploaded way more Panasonic videos than Fuji - not because the image quality of the G85 is better, but because it is so much easier to just pick up and start shooting video." Jonpais When you're shooting a feature or a commercial or any other narrative form, how the camera handles....the interfaces for selecting images...accessing menus....manually controlling the camera etc. is everything...and the GH5 comes in squarely, after purely dedicated cinema cameras...and when you're chasing beauty light with 20 min to go, that counts for more anything else does....and of course reliability...we are already into a ridiculous realm in terms of image even in sub $1000 cameras...the reality is it's no longer about the camera, but a lot more about the discussion of the camera!....of course I'm equally guilty of that....

With every new GH release Panasonic is now taking the camera to a whole new level...and then everybody else tries to play catch up....although for my needs, the competition never quite does...that leaves the only other alternative, of attacking the camera....spreading false rumors and doing tests and a review in a "lab" that's frankly ridiculous....The why does not concern me...all on a camera that is not officially out in the world yet....and the samples which were produced in the first footage release, were by people who only had the camera in their possession for a few days....and yet...already some lovely footage out there....will only fully be upgraded with the high bit-rate FW in the late Summer of 2017....most people who have used GH4's in the past, know how robust and reliable these cameras are and understand that if used properly they excel, have probably already made up their mind anyway!....Not sure why Panasonic passed up Andrew Reid with a pre-release model (a strategic mistake in my view, on their part) as even in spite of that, Andrew is maintaining an objective viewpoint of this camera's ability....I appreciate his integrity though, and as with all reviews, be it films, cameras or books....you find the resource you trust for information, and discard the crap....

Do you refer to the Leica f2.8 12-60 mm as a kit lens?...just curious...I referred only to feature films in my post...I did not read Deakins' interview...I have a 5 year old instead of Deakins' interviews keeping me busy....I've been interested in a lot of DP's though for their style and choices, especially John Mathieson as his style in capturing both action....sci-Fi and drama....and of course....they use lights and large crews....so the one man band sceanario is obviously quite different....both have been discussed to exhaustion on this forum and I personally own some very fast glass too....so obviously....a time and place for anything...and I've seen beautiful footage from you shot with fast glass...anyway....just a guess but if Deakins opens up a fast prime shooting a scene in No Country for Old Men or whatever, it's probably a wide lens where infinity starts very close to the camera and no focus concerns are present....have'nt read the Kubrick post you mentioned, though have to say I've never seen anything bad shot by Kubrick...personally I own nothing slower than a 2.8....perhaps you can refer us to the post where the guy justified buying slow lenses based on Kubrick aperture choices....

Does that not seem like several lifetimes ago?...the only thing getting worse here, is not the images from the camera, but the thread itself!...personally I decided after the 1st or 2nd video clip out of the camera, but am continuing to read the thread with morbid curiosity I suppose Also I think the reason Deakins or any other DPs are shooting at such high T stops is they have an entire film to get through...M4/3 is not a tiny sensor....it is almost S35...when you have to get between 1 to 2 minutes of USABLE footage in the can in a day of shooting...in the process of making a 2 1/2 hour film and it's your name on the slate as the DP, you make sure every day counts and you produce...for Cinematographers making a feature film with a $100,000 a day crew, the sweet spot is somewhere be T4 & T8...

OK...let me create a shitstorm...all this crap about color science is fucking exhausting...so I'll say....in a camera choice, for me, I prefer Panasonic as more color accurate...I don't want a camera or a computer or a fucking iPhone to create colors that are NOT in front of me and make me think what an incredible photographer I am...it's an easy cheat IMO...I prefer to start with an accurate WB and have a colorist do what I need....in post....to suit the storyline or the mood I'm attempting to create...that's all I want from a camera...an unvarnished image of what is in front of me...for me, the rest comes from post....very little is really ever created by zooming in 400% on still image on a desktop and finding flaws in images.... on the other hand a lot of beautiful work is created by people with imagination on deeply flawed cameras...and reading between the lines, I love this camera....warts and all....

I would call the Kai video a joke....someone bored with what they're doing...the title says a Gh5 review...could not be more off than it is!...

No beef actually...but if you're shooting a feature with a reasonable budget, the cost of the crew is high....so I would default to something like the Varicam LT or another cinema camera as A-cam with the GH5 is B-cam...If I was shooting a short...or a commercial or extremely low budget film, I would use it without any hesitation...so, at some point it becomes an issue of false economy....up to the director to evaluate which is which....as far as GH cameras form factor, IMO in the world of hybrids the Pannys are unequalled....and as for the image....from what I've seen, I would not hesitate shooting with it next to a Varicam....

Curious why...I've never been on a film set or a commercial set shooting with Arriflex S35 film cameras where crew shoots in hard direct sunlight....certainly no good photographer would...,no Arri Alexa or Red would be used that way....these images from James Miller are amazing....if not for the form factor, the image from this camera would be suitable for a feature film .....

Yes....normally not a big fan of rack focus....though I understand it has it's place creatively...smart move of Panasonic....makes me seriously consider the Leica 12-60mm for this and the usefulness of the lens range...

James Miller footage is stunning!

Two surprises about the Goodfellas video...the quality of the acting, and so far not a single comment about what the guys grading it say about the GH5's latitude at around 10:40 ...they are working with the actual footage in Resolve...not viewing it on Youtube...

Yes....I own the lens...and if one was to pan at the suggested pan speed for 24p, (shooting S35 on a 50mm lens a 90 degree pan should take around 23 for smooth motion)....and that's shooting film...the lens may be fine at 18mm with IBS on.

Well...as an owner of an XL speed booster I was interested in the stabilization turned on with the speed booster...this is the first reference I've seen to the XL used with IBS...though I've seen the question asked many times...

Posted on DVX user as purely a demo of what happens when you use the XL speedbooster with the Sigma 18-35 in IS...also no telling from the footage shot with the GH5 what he did with the grade if anything.

Curious about the joystick focus button also!

Not at all...if I get the funding for a project I'm currently working on, I would buy the Varicam LT...and the GH5 to match in tight places etc...I very much advocate the "get past the camera notion"....I think the image so many cameras can produce in the hands of someone talented, is just ridiculously good today!!...that's why I am cofounded by all the pixel peaking and criticism of what looks like an incredible piece of gear to me!...I would personally also hire a cinematographer...although I can operate, I'm no one man band...and I prefer not to...But for me the robustness of the GH5 shooting for 12 to 14 weeks under varied conditions would be important...and even then it would be used only in conjunction with the Varicam, and I would have probably 3 GH5 bodies on set...and a GH4 and GH2....I think the notion of one camera doing everything is possible, but not for me...not disagreeing with you though...just explaining my needs relative to your post.

I think this is where reading between the lines is necessary...I would never base my decision to buy this camera on the early footage on a pre-production model, though to my possibly flawed eye, I've seen some truly lovely images already...certainly enough to put the camera issue behind me and to get on with the story...I personally actually care rather little about this shot or that...really just will it work for me?...saw your "too much camera for me post", and having looked at some of your other footage, I would say no, but as you're already happy with your G80, why bother with the GH5?....besides if this is what comes after the GH4, just imagine the GH6!

You're welcome....never really considered auto-focus an interest or an option, so it was of no importance to me...I could however see a roll for the GH5 in AF on a steady cam...never been a fan of moving a camera around too much...though good steady cam operators elevate moving cameras to the level of perfection...(Off-Topic, but as you may be able to tell, I'm not a fan of gimbals. I know they fill an important function!)...though hand holding the GH5 or G80 inside a car for example, could be a dream...