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From reading some of the above posts I can only surmise that there are people on this forum that are very nervous due to the companies they work for or have a special relationship with are threatened by BMD. I understand the early adopters that are frustrated, but some of these other comments... I am speechless....

Can possibly see that with the 4K camera, but the current camera which is what this topic is for, IS available. If I was not flat broke after buying the gh3 and 5 lenses this month, I'd ordered it from adorama yesterday.

I think it is sweet in some twisted way that clearly, people here have an obsession about BMD. Unless you work for one of the big guys, relax and be happy that someone is trying to challenge the status quo. If you are indeed a competitor, relax for a little while at least, as this small company figures out this business..

Last time I checked, the original BMCC cameras were in stock, at least at major retailers here in the US.

I think this is a nice move by BMD. It is normal that prices go down. People who are still in line for cameras will get the new price. It makes a better differentiation between the 4K and 2.5K models. People who bought into BMD to a large degree did so because the pricing was great to begin with, so it is not like they overpaid. (unlike people buying cameras from the  protectionist Still/Video giants (Sony & Canon, I'm looking at you..).   <G> who would have thought people would be so negative about a cheap camera getting even cheaper... 

Wow, that is fantastic. I'm going to have to take a second look at the 2.5k mft version now... I do wish it had an active mount though.

It doesn't sound like your usage will be terribly critical in terms of image quality, to be honest. Also, you should take into consideration what lenses you have (if you already own any, that is).   I have to say I have not followed the 60D, so I don't know what the Magic Lantern hack enables (if anything) on it, but if you are looking at in-camera video with audio embedded, the GH3 is very strong out of the box. It also supports 60p in 1920x1080 resolution, which may be useful in training videos as it allows you to slow down the motion. Even IF the 60D has capability for raw through a hack, it is more complicated to work with as it does not allow for audio. 60D probably gives better quality photos, and somewhat better low light capability due to larger sensor.   Regarding audio, keep in mind that the GH3 has a headphone jack which means easy monitoring straight out of the cam, which the 60D does not have. The built in mic on the gh3 is ok, but you can easily add a good mic to it as it has mic input, and so has the 60D.   Another point to keep in mind, if you need to move around a lot, carrying the camera, the GH3 w/lens will be lighter and smaller.   I personally think the GH3 is far superior overall when speaking strictly about video (w/audio). However if you are willing to tinker and have a more cumbersome workflow, it may be possible to get quality that surpasses it with a hacked 60D (but again, don't know enough about magic lantern for the 60D).   Regarding the Black Magic Design Cameras, they are all better than either the GH3 or the 60D in video quality out of the box, but really consider those strictly for video. The caveat here is, based on your post, I take it you may not be used to manual focusing(I'm still learning). If that is the case, some of the BMD's only do manual focus, while the new BMPCC camera (that is not out yet..) is supposed to have at least some crude AF.

Yes, it's disappointing. Seems Panasonic is purposely keeping it back.... I cannot see how it would be that difficult to add when no-name lcd monitors have it.... Also, from what I gather, we shouldn't have too high hopes for a hack to do it. Panasonic really needs to just get this fixed.... Would be nice if they throw in auto-iso in manual mode as well..

Read the article but it is still not clear to me what the benefits are? I actually have a UV photography set up where it makes sense and I suppose lens flares can be ok in film (but then anamorphic would be better, no?). Any other reasons?

Get a grip. He said that he personally prefers the higher dynamic range of the old camera vs 4K. That is not the same as saying the new camera sucks. You should stop this vendetta since you are clearly motivated by some dubious reasons... you should get a time-out like in kindergarten..

I will be disappointed if panasonic doesn't fix focus peaking in the gh3...

I agree with your concerns; a) BMD should be more conservative with their estimates. September would have been a better bet for 4K (considering the camera is not still in production!). They must be the glass-half-full types! ;) b) Wondering what they mean by limited quantities for Pocket. A handful? Few hundreds? I get the impression (and maybe I am just too tied into the forums and over-estimating here) there are thousands of pre-orders..

Yes, I agree with the original post referenced. BMD should reach out to early adopters (or people that TRIED to be...). I'm not one of them, but it seems like the decent thing to do. For the rest of us who just joined the bandwagon this summer...well, let's be patient.. BMD is offering some truly unique products at (relative) affordable prices.   BMD could probably check with authorized retailers that have pre-order lists, and at the very least contact the early ones that have not yet received cameras to offer some explanation/promise of priority on a personal level, or better, offer some discount/add-on included for free tom compensate for the long wait.

VERY beautiful, but it is distracting with all the frequent scene changes ;)

ps: there is a program being developed called windmotion (google it) that is good at fixing footage. You can check if the program has been optimized to work with your camera. If not, you may try to get in touch with the developer, provide samples and he will likely do so.

First off, embrace the grain in the original footage. Use settings in-camera that are as flat as possible (saturation, sharpness, noise reduction), and do the necessary corrections in post. I'm sure you can get excellent footage out of this camera. 

Other than agreeing with you that pre-ordering isn't necessarily a good idea, BMD is clearly not a scam-company, and they have many happy users of their equipment. Granted, it seems that their customer service and professionalism isn't always where it should be, but it is a far cry from scammers. Even the Digital Bolex people I believe have the best intentions but they are struggling far more.

It's the same picture. It is framed 100% the same, people did not move etc.

I'll probably post something soon. Just bought it about a week ago. In addition to the kit lens (I already had a gf2 w/14-42 mk1), I bought the olympus 9-18, the pana 25 f1.4, the pana 35-150 ois and the sigma 60 f2.8. Hoping it is a good mix of lenses.... just looking forward to the wife seeing the credit-card debt I racked up... ;)

Ok guys, time for everyone to calm down.   The fact remains, BlackMagic committed to ship in July. It is still July. They did not promise that customers would get it in July either. Ship likely means that distributors get the first cameras in early august, with likely some pre-orders being fulfilled by mid-end of August.

Probably, hoping it is not as bad as the 7-14. I think we'll just have to wait and see - and if there is a fair deal of distortion, since it is raw, it is possible to go an extra step and do some correction in software.

Footage looks good. I ended up buying a gh3 with a 9-18 lens. (and several others, I am poor now....) That may not be quite wide enough for the bmpcc but worst case I will use the gh3 for really wide shots.   My lens-list, in anticipation of the bmpcc; -olympus 9-18 -kit 14-42 (mk1) -pana leica 25 f1.4 -sigma 60 f2.8 -pana 45-150 ois   There are brackets/cages that will be available if you need to bulk up the camera a bit..

oops...I pressed report instead of quote, so if anyone got a report on them from me, disregard..... This is what I wrote;   It's pretty common to have a set release date (for instance July 25th). They (BH) would get stock ahead of that, and obviously with probably 1000s of pre-orders, they won't have any for sale in the store, and most likely only able to fulfill some of the pre-orders. Nobody is saying that they have loads of these. Mark only said "Pocket will start shipping VERY soon".

mpgxsvcd over at personal-view site (and youtube) is really knowledgeable. He mentions the following:   "Just set the flicker Decrease to (1/50, 1/60, 1/100, or 1/120) to control shutter speed with Program Priority and Auto ISO. You cannot control aperture and shutter speed independently and still use Auto ISO with Panasonic cameras and video."   "Flicker Decrease is not available in Aperture Priority video mode(It is greyed out). In all stills mode including aperture priority it will switch to Program Priority for video and allow aperture to float with Auto ISO."   Honestly not sure if that is a max or min setting, or if it actaully limits it to that exact shutter speed..

I don't see any reason to think they have not received any pocket-cameras. He probably meant "in stock" as they have received few in the warehouse and will start shipping the first pre-orders soon. If Wooden camera has a model to start showing off, it seems quite likely that BH got a few too.