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It is certainly not a toy for photos, I prefer it over GH3 for instance. For video, it is not a replacement for the GH4, and nobody ever said that. It takes almost equally fantastic 4k video, but lacks the features (that you must have repeated about a dozen times at this point). You seem to have a problem grasping what the term "Compact camera" means. This is overall, everything considered, perhaps the best compact camera ever created. (At least if you are a hybrid shooter). If you want to lug around a GH4, or even a FZ1000, that is a whole different segment. The FZ1000 cannot compete on stills, especially lowlight either.

I don't see any issues with moire that looks worse than my GH3. Corners don't seem particularly soft. Distance photos could be you use an aperture with deep enough DoF, or focusing is a bit off. Of course, don't expect this or any m43 camera to compare to a 36MP camera from Nikon or Sony.

haha never ending. Maybe you should actually buy one rather than rehashing your sour grapes that seem to be VERY loosely based on reality, and incredibly badly formed expectations. Your complaints are never ending, that's for sure.

It sounds like the LX100 is going to be really popular, so I am hoping someone comes up with a nice cage for it. Then hopefully you should be able to mount a plate on that, that doesn't block the battery compartment.

I agree it is bad they do not have live HDMI out, and I can see that in your situation it is especially frustrating, but they are a FAR cry from Canon! Worst case, you can start the recording before you take off, and mount a tiny camera w/transmitter on the quad copter - I have heard others are planning on doing this. Yes, it's a pain, but at least you can get the shot. Try to get 4K out of anything portable and affordable from Canon :)

Hopefully, unless there are physical limitations, Panasonic can at some point be convinced to open it up, but not holding my breath. Don't know of any devices to trigger, but you may want to jump over to '?do=embed' frameborder='0' data-embedContent>> Not sure how feasible it is to a) adjust it to work with lx100, and b) since I think it is windows, get it to work on one of those tiny computers you can get these days. c)it would use wireless, not sure how safe that would be whether you are able to use it either mounted to the drone or on the ground, due to interference?

I'm glad to hear it deals with micro jitters - that is the most annoying thing for me (and I see that with the 35-100 2.8 lens) I will report back as well :)

I agree with you, but it looks like people have very different ways of shooting (and sometimes wanting to switch to take pictures in the middle as well). I guess for some it is a curse, but for me, I really like this setup. I only wish the Exposure compensation dial doubled as a iso-dial when in manual mode.

keep a lookout on eBay. I got one by a DIY guy for 300-something. It doesn't look fancy but works fine. It's limited in weight to something like a nex5n with a kit lens, or possibly a bit heavier. It's a 3-way brushless gimbal and came preconfigured for my cam since happened to have the same on.

I have good wide angle converters that are bigger (and pretty expensive) and they work well. For video, you will likely be ok (especially if the final result will be 1080p), for photos I would be more concerned. One note though: depending on the weight and how the lx100 is built/works when focusing/zooming, it could be a concern to mount something more substantial than a filter on the front. Someone else can probably give you a better idea of whether the lx100 is ok for this or not in that sense.

I wasn't aware there are multiple settings on the LX100, but the discussions I have seen on other forums, from people owning the RX100 and/or the GH4, is that the between the LX100 and RX100, the RX100 has more effective stabilization, but does not maintain the quality level (sharpness, detail), due to active mode doing electronic stabilization on top of optical. A couple of people owning the GH4 as well as the LX100, say that when moving around it is better controlled with GH4 + 12-35 2.8 OIS, but standing still, the LX100 OIS is better. On a sidenote, as Andrew noted as well, others state moire does not seem to be quantifiable worse than on the GH4, and probably better than GH3. I should get my LX100 on Friday, so looking forward to testing it out.

Good for certain scenes, but I suspect I would get "sea-sick" fairly fast..

cool Alex. I'm a version behind on Lightroom so this may come in handy when I get the camera and until I do upgrade.

By all means, constructive posts are fine, and maybe you can contribute to this thread by being clear about the points in the camera labs review that concerns you the most. I'm sure there are valid concerns that could/should be addressed in a FW update for instance, or if you need to point out certain uses the camera is not going to be great for. The posts that I referred to were either *a* Complaining that a $899 camera doesn't have 4K 10-bit, when Panasonic is pretty much revolutionizing the compact segment to even include 4K. and *b* People that practically cut and paste their own post several times saying why they don't like the camera and another camera is better. That adds nothing to the discussion after the first time....

How many times are you planning on repeating what you don't like about the LX100, and that you plan to get the FZ1000? I'm sure Andrew will make a thread about it soon, or you can make one yourself. Others like the fact that it does not use a mode dial, and most people understand that this was not meant to be a camera to replace the GH4. I think the point is that your post gives nothing in this discussion. If you only can accept 4k with more bits, then there are cameras there for you but they are x thousands of dollars, and there is certainly no-one in this thread about a relatively cheap compact camera that happens to take great video that think it will replace those. The Lx100 is a camera that will take nice quality 4K, and downscaled to 1080p (which is what most probably will do at this point anyway), it seems to compete favorably to far more expensive 1080p cameras. Also, there is an old discussion about downscaling it could yield 1080p 10-bit. (Math seems to support it, but I don't recall any definitive confirmation in testing the quality differences when doing so) People, generally, if you don't feel this is the camera for you, there is nothing gained by moaning here about missing features. It is what it is. Focus on other cameras instead, or maybe make a wishlist thread for future LX cameras. (but be realistic :))

I like seeing the settings right on the dial, though I agree they should have added 50 (and preferably 48) there for the people that shoot 24p and 25p video, rather than having to dial it in with the rear dial. Maybe you switch a lot back and forth between video and stills, but I typically do not, so for me the arrangement should be working great.

Cinegain, thanks for taking the time to answer everyone's questions! :)

I would keep it in a soft pouch in there, the times I were to carry it like that, but I'm sure many people like to keep the camera in a pants pocket (even without protection for the camera).

I think it depends on your pockets! :) Seriously though, I often wear pants with pretty wide pockets, and certainly fall through spring I mostly have a jacket, so for me, this is absolutely comparable to the Rx100. For others, not, but calling it a totally different segment is a stretch in my humble opinion.

I would be curious to know where this mis-conception about filter thread comes from. It definitely has a 43mm thread, but for some reason, a lot of people seem to think it doesn't. Is there some particular review that has an oversight? I posted a question earlier, hoping someone knows: Stupid question, but does the exposure dial in manual mode in reality adjust iso, or doesn't it do anything?

I like the following on the LX100 vs my gh3: -Focus Peaking -Auto Iso in Manual mode (as Vesku mentioned) -The dials fit me better with real dials for shutter, exposure, aperture. I would probably reconfigure the focus/control ring on the lens to do Iso mostly -I like the fact that using shutter and aperture dials determines the mode it is in, rather than having a dedicated mode dial Stupid question, but does the exposure dial in manual mode in reality adjust iso, or doesn't it do anything?

Adding jacks and circuits adds space. Also there is of course the interest of panasonic to somewhat protect the gh4. I think before judging that too harshly, the gh4 is an incredibly affordable pro solution for video, and for the money what you get with lx100 and fz1000 is an incredible steal. Look at what canon, Nikon and Sony provides to consumers in terms of features and quality vs price on the video front.

Great write-up, and the video looks great (I know it is shot on multiple cameras :)) Is it confirmed that the lx100 has no live hdmi out? I seem to recall reading it somewhere, but other people note it as a question mark.

Good points. Luckily for me, I'm in the camp that usually adjusts wb after the fact. If I am picky about it being right, I will throw in a gray card in the first picture, otherwise I will look for white/gray area to pick from, or worst case, go by memory. Even with focusing, I am slow at adopting new benefits from these cameras, so I usually just use center focus, lock focus and re-compose. If I am really lazy, I may even hope for face/eye-detection to work.. I absolutely agree though. This camera is not a replacement for a GH4 with a 12-35 (though it has the one benefit in that it is actually faster on the wide-end, there are many reasons why it cannot compete). I can definitely see it as an a-cam for most of the stuff *I* do (I would ironically use my gh3 as b-cam for longer or wider focal lengths, but I don't think it can compete with the lx100 4k material (downsized), so I would probably try to use the lx100 whenever possible. For others, this camera should be a great b-cam for certain uses, like on handheld gimbal's, mounted to people, vehicles, quad copters etc. Back to the topic though - since you have the GH4, and if you don't want a second camera for those uses, or perhaps just to have two focal lengths covered simultaneously, or a nice carry-around camera, the 12-35 seems like the more logical choice for *you* :)

Hi, It's fairly common that when new cameras come out, you'd have to wait for an update from the software developer to support the format. In this case, it makes especially sense, since the raw format will not use the normal sensor dimensions, but rather various crops - so I guess some tweaking was done. Adobe is usually fairly quick at coming out with updates though. In the meantime you could see if Panasonic has an app that supports it, or if any other free/trial software supports the new format.