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I think you can get about a hundred different suggestions, and they will all be covered by our preferences/shooting habits :) Anyway, for a thousand total budget, I would probably go for the lx100 + a couple of nd filters. I am partial to better low light performance, which you would get with this over the fz1000 (the chip is bigger plus the lens is faster), but it has limitations around profiles, lack of audio in etc. I know it was brought up that it has a limited focal range, but you can add a bit onto that if you shoot in 4K and output in 1080p, which allows you to crop in post (to in essence do a zoom). The good news is that there are many good options, and if some of you feel the bmpc is the best choice, or the gx7, that is great too! :)

there is some talk that 4k on lx100 is not quite 1:1 pixel crop so it has more moire than the gh4. The lens, while faster than 12-35 on wide end is realistically not quite as sharp. That said it depends on your situation what is better. I am putting in an order for the lx100 soon, but I don't own the gh4.

Response from Panasonic: "In response, we would like to thank you for the feedback provided and inform you that it will be forwarded to the appropriate department to be taken into consideration for future product development / improvement."

It would make sense, but I don't know. That said - I think the bitrates are pretty low on 1080p, so it might be better to always shoot 4K and either crop or downconvert as you see fit, in post. I am positive you will get a better picture downconverting the 4k to 1080p. and it gives you the flexibility to just crop to 1080p for those times you want extra zoom.

Well...That was awkward.. Canon hasn't woken up yet apparently.

I don't see how 4k would have ex Tele, as I believe 4k is a 1:1 crop on the sensor already. You can use the 4k footage and crop to 1080p in post processing of course.

I believe you mentioned Adobe Warp stabilizer. Aside from being a pain to use, how did it work in terms of removing jitter? My bad, you use Sony solution? Adobe Warp stabilizer has a good reputation so I will give that a go...still, a pain...

Uploaded the first clip to Youtube as well. Available in first post.

Prodad seems interesting, but as you say - it is too bad we have to buy software to correct an issue that Panasonic should deal with. (Plus I suspect it can never be a 100% fix compared to if they manage to fix the jittering in lens..)

Uploaded the second clip to youtube in 1080p. First post has the link.

Added second test. Note that the streaming is only 360p or something - they have a stupid limit of 1 HD upload per week at Vimeo for free users... However, for a few days, the 1080p version is available for download.

Thanks, yes, they both have smaller sensors, which would make inclusion of ND filter a bit easier, but I agree, if it would be possible to squeeze in a ND filter in a LX100 successor at some point, that would be great.

Yes, it will be interesting to see. It might be less of an issue since the lens is considerably lighter/smaller on the LX100.

Hi Andy, I Will do a video that shows normal mode as well, but from this comparison clearly shows an issue that their other lenses do not exhibit. As for ex tele, it is a video only feature implemented by Panasonic and while some lenses are highly usable in this mode, and should be, the 35-100 is not. I think it I a useful feature, and I'm sure many use this occasionally to increase their reach. Also, I believe people shooting 4K can forget cropping in post if using this lens, which is one of the reasons for shooting 4K today. I will update the post later, but again, this is clearly an unnecessary flaw in an expensive product.

Are there any compacts with similar sensor size that has built in ND? I'm just wondering if it is even physically possible, since the filters have to cover a fairly large surface. Make the camera big enough and it can certainly be added of course.

Hi, I added a video to vimeo to show the issue of Micro Jitter on the Panasonic 35-100. This is basically a Power OIS flaw that shows itself clearly when doing handheld video with stabilization enabled. This issue is fairly widely reported, and similar issues have been reported for the Panasonic 14-140. Earlier the issue was apparent on Panasonic 12-35 f2.8 as well, but Panasonic did provide a firmware fix to that particular lens. It seems logical that similar fixes could be done for these two other lenses as well, but Panasonic has so far not acknowledged the problem. This is perhaps because a large percentage of users are mainly taking photos, not shooting video, so it has not so far affected ratings or most reviews to a large degree. (It works fine for photos) Comparing 4 lenses, around 35-45mm, to see how each handle in terms of OIS when used handheld. Shot with GH3 in Ex-tele mode (which zooms in), then Premiere was used to crop into 4 different squares. All were shot at 24fps w/125 shutter speed, 1000 iso, and either f4 or f5.6 aperture. Original clips were stored in 1080p24 at 50mbps. Absolutely no processing of the video was done other than cropping. As is evident, the 35-100 has a very clear micro jitter issue, while even a cheap 14-42 kit lens does not. Lenses in test: Panasonic Leica 42.5mm f1.2 "Nocticron" Panasonic 45-150 f4-5.6 (shot at 45mm) Panasonic 35-100 f2.8 x-series (shot around 40-45mm) Panasonic 14-45 f3.5-f5.6 (shot at 45mm) The first test is available at " title="External link">

No problem Vesku, I agree that this is completely unacceptable. I also posted a review on a major site describing this. I plan on making a separate thread here on EOSHD as well.

The 4K file looks great!!! @FuzzyNormal - I don't think the Gx-7 has the processing power necessary unfortunately.

Hi, I added a video to vimeo to show the issue on the 35-100. I think you will find that the issue is very similar: Comparing 4 lenses, around 35-45mm, to see how each handle in terms of OIS when used handheld. Shot with GH3 in Ex-tele mode (which zooms in), then Premiere was used to crop into 4 different squares. All were shot at 24fps w/125 shutter speed, 1000 iso, and either f4 or f5.6 aperture. Original clips were stored in 1080p24 at 50mbps. Absolutely no processing of the video was done other than cropping. As is evident, the 35-100 has a very clear micro jitter issue, while even a cheap 14-42 kit lens does not. Lenses in test: Panasonic Leica 42.5mm f1.2 "Nocticron" Panasonic 45-150 f4-5.6 (shot at 45mm) Panasonic 35-100 f2.8 x-series (shot around 40-45mm) Panasonic 14-45 f3.5-f5.6 (shot at 45mm) It will possibly be available at > in 45 minutes or so, but I'm heading to bed now... If it doesn't work, I will update in the morning.

The 35-100 is also been reported to suffer from micro jitter. Seems Panasonic has some explaining to do... There was talk about resolving power for 14-140. Indeed if it I only approx 5MP, that falls well below the 8 MP in 4K(4xmore than 1080p)

The Verge reviewer must have no clue. I am sure there is a pretty sizable market for a camera with these specs, size and ability to control most anything manually with nice dials and lens-rings. This certainly went to the top of my purchase list. Having the GH3, it would be nice to have something that does 4K, and not having a 12-35 f2.8 already, this camera is a no-brainer. Even if I get the GH4 or some upcoming Olympus later on as my main camera, this will likely still take care of the wide/normal range.

exactly right gmaximus. Bit rate is hard to compare between different resolutions, and frame-rates for that matter. For people that want to see this, try compressing a very small jpg, and you will see size vs quality is far worse than for larger images.

no offense ylomo, but Andrew does a thorough review and I have confidence in his views. You on the other hand say other cameras are far better in different aspects, but you don't really back that up, and I don't know you so I can't really take that at face value.

How does this grade though? Sounds like Sony pulled the usual bitrate-stuff again. I still have my old Nex/Alpha gear, though now I use the GH3 98% of the time.

Well, Sony, as usual protect their pro line. They obviously did not want to offer 4K out of the box, or 10-bit output for just this reason. I am a happy m43 owner myself, but I know technically, Sony could easily match Panasonic on the electronics end - IF THEY WANTED TO. I bought into Nex before m43, hoping that Sony would either open up the codec a bit themselves, or someone would hack it, but no such luck, so my 5n is relegated to my more bizarre hobbies of infrared and ultraviolet photography (had the hotmirror removed), while my GH3 does all the normal photography and video. I really want the GH4 down the line, though disappointed in lack of IBIS, but I do believe Panasonic actually had a problem getting a stable system that will not overheat if they included this. I don't think they did it to leave something out.