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Weddings of the future:

Is it "too much"? Lots of Lectrosonics wireless can be set to 100mW and used all day long, I even own several transmitters which operate at 250mW

Bet there will be lots of parents going "thank goodness my son became a filmmaker instead of studying to be a lawyer!"

It certainly has been a very wide ranging thread, with many twists and turns, I reckon if we just throw in some 9/11 conspiracy talk into the discussions then we'll have all our bases covered and hit bingo.

2.4GHz I think does get its signal eaten up more by bodies of water (humans) than UHF

Not likely, especially as the C300mk2 was available well before the UMP came out.

There is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more to being a boom op than just "holding a stick above people's heads"!! And no recorder, no matter how magical, will change that. There are quite a few cellphones coming out with triple cameras, a wide, medium, tele camera.

oh I DISAGREE! Two of the biggest and most exciting announcements: Zaxcom Nova and Sound Devices Scorpio! ?

He gave a rave review of the Rode NT-SF1:

They're all day long for me. If it is a loooooong production day then I will at lunch of midway through the second half swap out the batteries to be safe. Better safe than sorry

Would be a pain in the ass to do this while on talent! And the risks of the USB connection being damaged are SKY HIGH!!!

Me too, is everyone in this thread (aside from webrunner :-P ) aged 34? Yup, back in the film days just getting decent exposure and focus required a reasonable amount of skill. Far more than is needed today! Relatively speaking

Yup, no longer could you get a mortgage on your house, buy a camera and editing suite then be able to charge the earth for simple talking head videos because no one else was available to be booked. Then just hit record. Now you better be able to craft decent 3 point lighting plus decent audio as well, just as a starting point, and be a master of all the new upcoming trends and keep ahead.

If the rolling shutter speed matches the max read out speed of the sensor, then that just proves bandwidth to handle the data coming off the processor is not a bottleneck. But if the rolling shutter speed is higher, that then means the company didn't put in enough grunt into the camera to handle the bandwidth coming off the sensor at max read speed

Researchers Observe Chimpanzees Using Pro Tools https://www.theonion.com/researchers-observe-chimpanzees-using-pro-tools-1829371950 ? Next step is AI will replace the chimps

Do you NEED external power with a GH5? It has such great battery life already! I'd only go the external path if the GH5 was on a rig which also had a number of other things needing power (monitor / wireless video transmitter / follow focus / etc), then it makes a LOT of sense to mount the battery on rails with a battery plate that has the outputs needed for everything. For example: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/CAMVATE-V-Lock-Mounting-Plate-Power-Supply-Splitter-with-15mm-Rod-Clamp-D1524camera-photography-accessories/32911036120.html https://www.aliexpress.com/item/FOTGA-DP500III-Uninterrupted-V-Mount-BP-Battery-Power-Supply-Plate-for-Sony-A7S-A7R-A7-II/32626971217.html https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Lanparte-V-Mount-Battery-Pinch-VBP-01-HDMI-Splitter-Power-Supply-Adapter-V-Lock-for-DSLR/32345583437.html

No, I neither ignore nor am I ignorant of that past. (heck, the old cellphone I was talking about didn't even have 4 megapixels!) Rather my point is I feel for many low end / mainstream brides then we could quickly be reaching a point of "good enough" for quality. (while none of them want to go back to their weddings being filmed with 1MP sensors!!) So when quality is "good enough", what happens next? Does quality keep on going up? Yes, for some, for those who will pay for it. But for many others they will happily keep the current rough level of quality we see today in the low/mid range weddings, and swap it for even faster service (imagine AI which has edited that video in time for the dinner that night for everyone in the wedding party to see! Same day edits, every time) and even cheaper prices. (no longer will you need three highly skilled professionals with high end gear, it can all be done with some grunt labour at minimum wage done by just one person setting it up plus futuristic consumer grade equipment) I would have assumed that someone's experience with the past like yourself and knowing how very very far we've come would be much less skeptical about future predictions of just simply carrying on that same progress! As really your "appeals to the past" arguments just further strengthen my points I'm making! Then you also have no job as a wedding videographer today if you're showing up to shoot with a cellphone (except as a gimmick).

I strongly disagree. But with a smartphone from 2035? Wellllll......... Maybe! This. I suspect the first major disrupting will happen on the editing side. However... we'll see it happen on the capture side as well. Imagine crowdsourcing your wedding footage from all your dozens/hundreds of wedding guests? You'll get coverage that one professional can't even manage on their own. Yes, cellphones can't do that now (neither the capture quality level, or the easy access to dump them at the end of the night. Although the later is much closer than the former). But do any of you remember how bad cellphones were in the early 2000's? I was a big time mobile phone camera geek back then! But looking back now they were rubbish compared to what we have in 2019!! Start guessing what we might have by 2035 in the pockets of every guest? I imagine we'll also see before then a middle ground happen as well, when a mix of robot cameras / crowed sourced and a human videographer gets used. Imagine this scenario, which doesn't sound that far fetched to me at all: All guests download an app which at the end of the night uploads all their footage from the wedding to the cloud for the AI editor. The wedding videographer arrives and installs half a dozen robot cameras on stands with have hundreds of thousands of weddings experience built into their AI. The wedding videographer (initially in the early years of the hybrid approach the human would need to be very skilled to fill in all the gaps and carefully fine tune the placement of the set up, but in later years the human "videographer" would need to be no more skilled than the minimum wage grunt who brings in the PA system and plugs everything in) then focuses on capturing moments which: a) he knows from experience either the guests or the robot cameras tend to not be great at getting & b) key shots Then the AI software spits out a few edited video options to choose from, created from a mix of the guest smartphone footage + robot AI cameras + the one human videographer (who installed the robot camera at the venue, although at permanent wedding venues they won't even need this person as they'll have their AI robot cameras set up all the time). The married couple can pick the one(s) they like the most, and give feedback to the AI editor which can further improve the result for both this couple and all future couples. Might not be that many years away until with this hybrid approach a $500 videographer is matching the quality of $2K wedding videographers.

This! And is why we're seeing now Canon release camcorders with a 1" sensor, there must be half a dozen or so of them now from Canon? Might even be the exact same 1" sensor as is also in the XC10/XC15! You're reading my thoughts.

You totally need to account for the processing power of the camera. It doesn't matter if your 16K sensor can run at 12,000KHz if behind the scenes if you've got a Rasberry Pi which is only reading a dozen lines per milisecond off the sensor. Think of it as a bit like later on in the pipeline, with your media, it doesn't matter if you camera can record 4K ProRes HQ if you're only putting a 10MB/s card into the camera! As you'll by throttled by the bottleneck which is the card write speed. Another point to think about: why do some cameras have different degrees of rolling shutter depending on what resolution you're shooting as? (for example 4K vs 1080 from the Samsung NX1) Because they've got the same sensor in both cases, which can run at the same max read speed surely! Right?? Nope, it is because the camera's processor is being limited by how much bandwidth it can handle, thus at full resolution there is more rolling shutter, yet at reduced resolution there is less bandwidth to handle so in return the processor can boost the rate at which the sensor is read (thus increasing the amount of data read up to the max bandwidth the processor can handle)

I haven't used the Sennheiser XSW-D, so I can't really comment. Specs say it is USB-Rechargeable 5-Hour Batteries, is 5hrs enough for you? Let's say 4hrs to be safe, is 4hrs safe? What if after three years of solid usage the battery life has dropped by an hour or two? (as rechargeables do have a shorter lifespan as time goes by) For me, even the best case scenario of the quoted specs, would be totally 100% unacceptable. B&H says it is still in pre order status, so has anybody used it aside from reviewers with pre-release copies? Probably not. btw, quick comparison though of some specs of the XSW-D vs Deity: Sennheiser XSW: 8mw dual PCB fractal antenna Deity Connect: 100mw Dual PCB factual & Dual SMA dipole whips That suggests there could be a massive difference in range between though, although like you said, this isn't a concern for you.

By the time you see the image on your screen and are measuring it then it has gone through a LOT of processing. And just because a sensor "can be" read out at a billion zillion lines a picosecond, doesn't mean that it will be. The processor handling that data needs to be able to keep up, otherwise that will be a bottleneck which will throttle it.

It is not just the sensor, but also the processing power behind it that matters. Should be no surprise if the C700 and C200 have different levels of grunt powering it.

Have you heard of any chatter that maybe they'll add this? As I reckon when shooting with such high resolutions then IBIS is handy But also IBIS might be tricky with the massive amount of cooling I'm sure that 8K sensor needs!

Well the guy who runs Cinematographer DB seems to have mostly given up on the set world and instead is fully focused on his CineTracer software, thus not sure how relevant that is to the discussion? Ditto FilmmakerIQ, which is a FANTASTIC channel! But again, I never at all got the impression he currently works a lot in the camera crew on high budget films, but rather he is an educator. Tonnes and tonnes of low mid ish budget commercial stuff gets shot with a GH5, as B/C Cam or even A Cam. While the XC10 is comparatively very rare. Or at least that is my experience here in this country of New Zealand. Canon didn't slash the price of the XC10 because it was selling like hotcakes! (today's price is nearing on half of what its launch price, I bet if Canon had launched it at that price instead then people's opinions of it would have been massively more favorable and we'd have seen many many more XC10 cameras in use) Canon's actions basically proved the XC10 wasn't initially popular and they got it wrong in designing the XC10 camera.