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Built in NDs. SDI outputs. Better TC implementation. Etc... People forget what a difference the rest of these can make! I'd bet in post once you push the files around then at 20000 the GH5S will be better than the a7Smk2 The a7Smk2 only looks better at the super high ISO ratings if you're doing straight out camera with no/minimal post work. And seriously if you're shooting GH5 at 20000 and that is not enough, what the hell?? That is the same as freaking 80000 on the a7Smk2 for the same DoF!!!

I believe the AJA camera uses exactly the same sensor as the BMD 4K one. Which was BMD's worst ever choice of sensor. Plus the very high cost of the AJA Cion at launch (relative to BMD with the same sensor), and a bunch of other quirks with it, set it back and the camera never took off. It is a pity, I'd have liked to have seen an AJA Cion mk2! But yes, it shows what you can do even with lower DR and terrible lowlight performance! Heck, even I'd rather shoot with a BMPC4K + URSA Mini 4K combo than shoot with one RED ONE MX. (which the two cameras together secondhand would cost similar, or less, as what a RED ONE does) Will be seriously putting forward this as a proposal for the feature film I might be shooting this year, as an alternative over the RED ONE (which unfortunately the director/producer has their heart set on! We have had a shoot already last month for this feature film with 2x RED ONE I was DoP for). I'll certainly have a few other suggestions up my sleeve as well to try and swing away from the RED ONE preference, such as Sony PMW-F3 or Sony FS700 4K raw output. (EVA1 + GH5S would be the dream! But probably way out of the budget)

A waterproof gimbal? Haha

I do love my monopod for fast paced event shooting! As heck, I do not own any cameras with IBIS! :-o Get a G80 instead, just is a step up that is worth it. Have that as your IBIS camera for low budget / event shoots. As likely they won't need the 10bit codec anyway for heavy post demands. Then get a GH5S for your relatively "higher" end work. And either camera can be the B cam to your other one! When doing events your GH5S is your B Cam on a locked off tripod while you grab shots on your GH5S. On films your GH5S is A cam but your B cam is the G80 just to grab a few extra bonus angles as well. GH5S + GX85 + GH5 Yeah... starting to think just getting an EVA1 could be better! Patience! I am certain in 2018 we will see a successor to the G80 or GX80 With luck we'll see the GH6 come out late this year in 2018, other early-mid 2019 is my bet. Hopefully a G90 comes out mid/late this year as well.

I've collected a few gems from Facebook:

Yes, when read this back the firmware update came out I thought it was only for the Micro Studio (which is of zero interest to me). Nah, that is nonsense. Even the GH5 is is better than the a7S mk2! (come on, ten bit internal! Or 4K 60fps, or waveforms monitoring! So much goodness there) Am skeptical if the a7Smk3 will catch up with the GH5 original, and the GH5S is a leap ahead! Plus the a7Smk3 is guaranteed to cost more.

The constraint of lacking IBIS inspired people to greater creative heights! ;-) I like a lot how they included the light meter reading at the start! Every video should have this at the start :-D

Yeah you know something is a little weird if people are obsessed with details that top flight pros never never mention (who have it as their job to be obsessed over such tiny details!) I'd love to try out the Titan, but my budget doesn't allow that! Maybe I'll come across the Titan magic arm on set randomly one day. Wait............ what??

Nah! Not for the frugal wonderboy that is the Sony PMW-F3 :-D F3 = sub $1K Samurai = $350 SSD = less than a hundred bucks (spend the spare bucks on NP-F batteries for the recorder! Or run it on D-tap from a BP-U60) SxS SD adapter plus SD card = fifty bucks perhaps Couple of knock off BP-U60 batteries (if you're F3 doesn't already come with it!) = another hundred bucks If you go the 4K raw path instead, your starting figures are: Sony FS700 = sub $2K Atomos = sub $1K (plus various accessories... but I'm going to bed now! Cya)

I switched to arri rosettes and rails to mount my Atomos Samurai as I was sick of dealing with a magic arm!

Better auto focus too: "After spending lots of time comparing all the videos from both camera, I feel very comfortable to say the GH5S has noticeably better video tracking performance when compared to the GH5. (GH5S running pre-production firmware 0.2 GH5 running firmware 2.2) GH5S’s focus tracking just seems to be more responsive, it pick up changes a lot quicker. And the most important thing is the consistency seems to be much better than the GH5. With the GH5, when it detects and tracks the subject, frankly I think it works not too bad. The problem is that every now and then, the camera would just take a nap and stop or take a long time to follow the subject. Now with the GH5S, while it is still not perfect, but the consistency is just so much better. The GH5S almost always can detect any changes in focus and adjust reasonably quickly and correctly afterwards. I also notice a lot less overshoot when it’s adjusting focus as well when compare to the GH5." If the GH5S is already that good with pre-production firmware, how much better is it going to be once polished up and shipped? :-D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLNQmaEdBUQ http://www.photobyrichard.com/reviewbyrichard/panasonic-lumix-gh5s-review/ @Neumann Films did you see better autofocus with your anomorphic lens than you'd experienced before?

Better auto focus too: "After spending lots of time comparing all the videos from both camera, I feel very comfortable to say the GH5S has noticeably better video tracking performance when compared to the GH5. (GH5S running pre-production firmware 0.2 GH5 running firmware 2.2) GH5S’s focus tracking just seems to be more responsive, it pick up changes a lot quicker. And the most important thing is the consistency seems to be much better than the GH5. With the GH5, when it detects and tracks the subject, frankly I think it works not too bad. The problem is that every now and then, the camera would just take a nap and stop or take a long time to follow the subject. Now with the GH5S, while it is still not perfect, but the consistency is just so much better. The GH5S almost always can detect any changes in focus and adjust reasonably quickly and correctly afterwards. I also notice a lot less overshoot when it’s adjusting focus as well when compare to the GH5." If the GH5S is already that good with pre-production firmware, how much better is it going to be once polished up and shipped? :-D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLNQmaEdBUQ http://www.photobyrichard.com/reviewbyrichard/panasonic-lumix-gh5s-review/

For those complaining about a lack of IBIS, a point to remember that the sensor moves around *in* the image circle Possibly (I don't know, just a theory) the multi aspect ratio nature of the sensor is already pushing it to the limits of some Panasonic MFT lenses, limiting the spare space for the IBIS to work in?!?! Personally I somewhat doubt it, but it is a possible other explanation.

You won't find anything "official" saying that. But on their official YouTube channel they have a certain someone saying it is a two stop increase in DR: How true is this? Dunno. (he has replied himself on this point in the forums, worth looking up) But if the shadows are so much cleaner, then I am not at all surprised if it does indeed have greater usable DR!

"A Casey Special Edition"

GH5s photo ISO test: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/panasonic-gh5s/panasonic-gh5sA7.HTM GH5s video tests and comparisons: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/panasonic-gh5s/panasonic-gh5sA.HTM#shooting1

That is an easyrig, they're very *very* very common on budgeted shoots (had a producer friend say lately that *ALL* of his recent shoots his cameramen have used an easyrig). Am super tempted to get one myself this year to use with my Sony PMW-F3. But no, would be complete and utter madness to use it with a glidecam!

It gets to be so close, you're not quite splitting hairs, but you're certainly splitting twigs! ha

I think their G9 is meant to be targeted as photographers, while GH series is for filmmakers. Thus I doubt G9 will have a 10 megapixel sensor.

Ah yes sure, I won't disagree there, the world is not B&W. And there are many shades of grey in between. But I was just giving it as an explanation of the two sides there are here which can show why people can view this GH5S release so very differently. It should be!! :-D Anyone seen anything better at CES this year??

No. External recording is not a solution for all problems. You are not going to magically get ten bit recordings out of the Sony a7 series.

Not true, as you will need to shoot at two stops higher ISO with the FF camera over the MFT camera. So the FF camera will only be ok if it is two stops cleaner to start off with, which as we know is not always the case. Which never ever happens in real life. Exactly! So if I can shoot at IS0 6400 with the GH5S but the a7Smk2 is forced two stops higher to get the DoF needed for the scene then the Sony is going to be worse for the lowlight scene. It is as simple as that. Exactly, another area where the a7Smk2 is being let down. (for instance the great raw from the BMPCC means with noise reduction in post it can actually be pretty ok in lowlight! And in the GH5S vs a7Smk2 situation the Panasonic undoubtedly has a better codec than the Sony) Kai is an entertainer first and foremost. Is not a technical camera nerd geek at all Additionally he comes from the stills world, not the film world. Thus naturally you need to take everything Kai says with a BIG GRAIN OF SALT! Still love watching his videos though as he is after all a great entertainer :-) OH BOY! Please link and quote it when this happens :-D

Axiom is betaware at best, more like alpha even. If you go with that you need to be a keen hacker indeed. I've been following Kinefinity for years now. They kinda make you leap frog back and forth between being excited for them or Blackmagic Design. As in a way, they are kinda like a chinese cross between RED and Blackmagic Design. As BMD releases a camera which is amazing that gets you excited, then some many months later Kinefinity comes along and releases one which is even better and gets you excited for them instead! Then next year's NAB eventually rolls around and BMD brings out a new top dog product! Then some months passes... and you see Kinefinity has a new camera. And so the back and forth cycle continues. Or at least that is how it feels for me! :-P Nah, they have never had money issues we know about. No reason at all to make up the statement they might go bankrupt. Plus Kinefinity has a much bigger parent company, which I'm sure adds to their financial stability. Kinefinity has been much more focused on their local domestic market (and the nearby other asian countries), as china is a BILLION PEOPLE after all. But that is changing, and they're starting to do a bit more of a push into the western world. (such as Philip Bloom is doing a review of the Terra now, and they're getting more distributors) Don't forget however that "Tangerine" was shot also with tens and tens of thousands of dollars of sound equipment and a professional experienced soundie.