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Yes it is a damn pity there are no real options when it comes to super affordable 5" (or even 4") monitors with at least semi ish decent specs (like say the Feelworld FW760 has). That Neway is kinda tempting, anyone here using it and can report back about it?

HitFilm and/or Vegas Pro are my top votes for editing if you're starting out. (or Premiere Pro if you'll likely be working with/for others professionally in the future, as it is a near universal program) As for camera, just stay with your Panasonic GX1 and Nikon F mount lenses, that is an absolutely fantastic starting point for a beginner!! Yes, there are better options, many of them very tempting indeed, and very attractively priced. But this is a never ending circle that can suck you down forever.... First you consider the G7, it is so cheap secondhand it is almost free! No brainer decision. Let's buy it. But.... the G80 isn't really "that much" more is it in cost to buy? And it has IBIS! However... now we're nearly halfway in price to a GH5, and that is omgmyballz amazing!!! Should get that instead. But however now we're nearly halfway in price to buying a Kinefinity Terra 5K!!!! OMGAMAZINGZWTF!!!! Whoops, that is my phone ringing, let me answer that.... oh hello Mr Bank Manager, what are you calling about, my overdraft? Oops. Thus I say stick with you GX1 and Nikon lenses you have for now. If you simply ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT resist the itch to spend money on gear (I know I know, I've been there, I understand!!), then instead spend it on filling in the gaps in your lens collection (maybe you need a UWA? Or a portrait lens? This too can go on forever....). As at least lenses can last you for decades. Or get a few quality audio pieces (microphones can also easily last you over a decade! I just purchased a newly two thousand dollar microphone myself... :-o ). Or lighting gear! Again, this should last you longer than a camera body will. And quality lighting used effectively will go much further towards making your film look amazing than a new camera will! Then once you've progressed and learned more, maybe in 2018 give in to buying a new camera? By that point you'll be able to pick up a G80 for today's G7 prices, or less!

No way, not going to happen! We'll probably get *ONE* of those specs you mentioned in the a7S mk3. If we're very lucky we'll get *TWO* of those specs. If we're very very *very* lucky then we could get as many as *THREE* of what you mentioned. But to get *all* of that?? Sorry, you need to wait for the a7S mk10 to get that! haha Remember Panasonic had 10bit (though external) with the GH4 years ago, and ***still*** no other camera manufacturer has caught up (for whatever reasons, political/costs/marketing/mismanagement/blindness/whatever) in offering this in one of their consumer stills cameras. When others are still behind the GH4, I wouldn't feel optimistic about them leaping ahead of the GH5 any time soon.

This, a thousand times this, I'd be 110% focused on getting out of debt if I was you. Rest of all this nonsense we discuss on this forum matters relatively little compared to that!

Wow! That is a lot of interesting improvements. But I agree with sanveer, having one of these with a back up internal recording with the microphone would be nice. Anyway, I won't be upgrading, my older model can do just fine for its basic job of scratch audio. However, *this* announcement by RODE excited me even more:

Yeah is a pity about its wider pick up pattern

As you're hiking just get one camera, the Nikon D500 to do everything (use Twixtor for the occasional extra slow motion shot?!). If you must, bring a RX100 mk2 (or mk5) as a back up. (Or RX10 mk2 if you really desire extra reach or longer slow motion shots).

Wow. Sigma beat Nikon for lenses sold :-o JVC came third to Panasonic and Sony for video cameras. Hope JVC makes a LS300 mk2. Sony did not make the top three for SLRs with their A mount cameras.

ohhhh..... reading further I see you already have a ME66, & you're rather budget constrained. Thus I think you should get yourself a ME64!! It is almost a no brainer decision. I picked up a ME64 capsule for only $99 on eBay last night! & they're only $150 to buy brand new.

....from what he is saying, I think he should also check out the MKH-40, he might even prefer that over the 50 for his needs.

Even if they didn't go S35 like the JVC, at the bare minimum it would've been nice to go multi aspect ratio like the GH2

It is also a sign of faith in Aputure as an audio company that Rycote has partnered up with them!

Sadly there are very few 4K recorder options which are 5" at any frame rate! Video Devices PIX-E5 being one rare expection, but it is not 60p

The Deity will retail at $369 USD or $429 in a kit with a Rycote Lyre shock handle. Their launch video from yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyOTivakluM Curtis Judd reviewed it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kom1nMM0DrQ TubeShooterMag also reviewed it: http://tubeshooter.co.uk/2017/01/01/aputure-unleash-chinese-deity-on-the-world/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POawJfj21g4&t=321s Other coverage: http://www.redsharknews.com/audio/item/4251-aputure-takes-aim-at-prestigious-rivals-with-new-shotgun-mic http://thehouseofvideo.com/2017/01/11/Is-the-new-Aputure-Deity-shotgun-mic-a-Rode-killer/

Agreed!!! Also worth checking out the "CinematographyDB fans" YT channel! ;-) "Every Frame is a Painting" is a other must watch channel. Now for something a little different, sound: Matt Price / SoundRolling.com is in my eyes by far *the best* (arguably the only!) non-commercial (i.e. not run by a manufacturer or retailer) YT channel about sound from the perspective of a working working professional location sound recordist. https://youtube.com/user/ThatWasSound

Dooooooooooo it!!! :-D The lawyers would LOVE YOU!!! ;-)

Well now you've bumped the thread in 2017 I'd say the answer is very clear after the GH5's announcement.... get a GH5! :-)

FANTASTIC! Basically *identical* crop to what a RED Raven has.... which is a good bit of trivia to rub in the face of RED fanboys! ;-) hehe

I had wished/hoped the NX1 would have gone down a lot more in price because it is so "old", but the hacking interest in it means the price stayed up higher for a while longer. I got the NX300 when the NX300 hack was out (but pre NX1 hack I think?) and the NX300 was on sale, I want to have a play around with the NX system while I debated about buying a NX500 and NX1 cameras to switch my wedding multi camera set up from Panasonic to Samsung or even Sony. (in the end, I realised it is much better to not spend money and just stick with my current multi camera set up!) Oh the video it not *that* terrible, just only by our 2017 standards. Is it any worse than an unhacked GH2? Nah. And I got it so I could do 3D video with it (but never got around to doing it yet.... :-/ ). In terms of implementation, I think it is quite nice and others could learn from Samsung. I have the kit lens, the 30mm pancake (love pancakes! Although this one seems to be poor at focusing.. :-/ ), and the 45mm 3D lens. Look very carefully at my qualifications of my conclusion about "maybe" getting a D500 over and above a GH4, as there are a lot of them! As I said at the end: Basically for the stars to align I'd probably need: a) a strong "need" for a stills camera (such as GF leaving and no longer having access to her D90 for stills, as I won't live with her. And/or if I start to take photography more seriously as a profession rather than just a hobby) b) a further price drop (down to around US$1K-ish-ish for a secondhand D500??) and for the GH5 prices to hold strong to the end of 2017, to increase the price gap between a D500 and a GH5. As for me, if a camera is cheap enough then that can overcome many many shortcomings! Nah, in my eyes Nikon has much *much* greater adaptability across systems. Because Nikon allows you to use their lenses on systems you couldn't otherwise (such as Samsung NX! Or a RED One MX! Easy and cheap to use Nikon lenses on them, but basically impossible to use Canon lenses!), or would be more expensive to use Canon (for instance with my Sony PMW-F3, is cheap to use Nikon lenses, and while it is technically simple enough to use Canon lenses on an F3, the cost is so very very high it is completely pointless for me!).

Ha! Well you never know.... c) might happen! And if it does, the D7000 is going for some dirt dirt cheap prices secondhand, and is quite a notable improvement over the D90. So I think I'd rather replace the GF's D90 with a D7000 than another D90. If I can swing the extra cash for a D7100 for the better video and extra megapickles, I'd like to do that instead of a D7000. f) is just dreaming, but it is good to have dreams & goals! :-D D500 has already experienced a serious price drop, you can see it going new for under $1500! Which means if you're a Nikon shooter like me, and if we lived in a world where GH5 did not exist (as obviously GH5 is now top dog over *EVERYTHING*!!), then the Nikon D500 is a very strong contender as the best video camera in its price bracket (beating out the a6500, and cheap enough than an a7S mk2 to make the D500 worthwhile, and also apply to mostly almost justify the extra cost over a G80). Thus it isn't terribly hard to imagine a world where I get lucky and I find near the end of 2017 a secondhand Nikon D500 for US$1K-ish-ish, but the GH5 is extremely popular and holding strong at US$2K still at the end of the year (and the secondhand market is strong too, with not much of a discount vs new). Then yeah, if I've also swung a little more towards my photography side (at the moment it is pure hobby for me, and it is the filmmaking that is professional side of things, but if I was to take up a few stills jobs perhaps over the year?), then getting a D500 over a GH4 could become a very rationale decision! But ha! You can see in this made up example it would require quite a few dominoes to fall down exactly in place.... as the GH5 is going to be a very hard camera to beat into 2nd place choice!

Budget? Purpose? Some fairly stock answers I could give straight off the bat, to give you a starting point for research (as I'm about to go to sleep, could be a while until I reply again!): Ultra low budget: Aspen lavs Low budget: Oscar Sound Tech Low Mid budget: Tram TR50 & Countryman B6 (but given the fragility of the B6.... it more fits into the mid budget or even an "upper mid budget" bracket! As the B6 will have a shorter lifespan! The B6 is more of a specialist microphone, to be "hidden away in plain sight") Mid Budget: Sanken COS-11D High Budget: DPA 4060

Agreed, except in very niche cases/tastes, then Panasonic is way way *waaaaaay* ahead of the Sony/Canon/FujiFilm/Olympus/Nikon mirrorless/DSLR options! However, I might go most of (or even all of) 2017 without buying a Panasonic GH5. Because: a) I'm happy enough with my Sony PMW-F3 / BMPCC / Panasonic G6 / Nikon D5200 / Samsung NX300 collection of cameras. They're "good enough" for me for now. b) I'm focus on audio at the moment for the short/medium term, so I'll like scrimp up every penny and put thousands and thousands of dollars into expanding my audio gear (and maybe my lighting kit a little bit) during 2017. If I buy any camera during 2017 (as while I'll try hard to resist... it might/probably will happen! oops), it will likely be under one of these circumstances: a) maybe maybe maybe a self contained 360VR camera, maybe the Nikon KeyMission 360 if it gets a slash in price as I like how it is waterproof! b) if I am doing well and then "somehow" feel that my audio kit has grown to the point it is "complete" (ha! Could that really ever happen??), then I could switch focus back to the camera department and splash out on Panasonic GH5! c) if I split up with my long term GF who I live with, so I lose access to her D90 :-/ :-( As my D5200 can't do AF for photography for many of my older lenses! Thus I might pick up a Nikon D7000 for cheap secondhand to replace the "missing" D90. d) if I spot a Micro Four Thirds camera (specifically: G7/G80/BMMCC) going for a *very* sharp price! As maybe I might want to join the 4K world a little earlier than 2018 after all, and pick up one of these fine 4K cameras on the very cheap such as during the 2017 Black Friday Sales. (or the BMMCC which is not a 4K camera, but I've got my fingers crossed it might go on half price sale like the BMPCC did!! As it would make such a sweet sweet companion to my BMPCC) e) if I spot a non-MFT camera (specifically one of these 4K cameras: a6500/NX1/D500) at a very very *very* sharp price! (as my preference would lean towards MFT, as I've got a bit more MFT gear, plus all the MFT cameras are much better value for money! Thus non-MFT cameras need to get a bigger price drop to make themselves as attractive as a MFT camera on sale) f) if for some reason I find myself rolling in money.... I'll get a Kinefinity Terra 5K, or Sony FS7, or even a Panasonic Varicam LT! haha

I think all the top of the line mirrorless/video cameras (of which the GH4 was surely one of those!) can now produce very fine images, as Tom Antos made that point recently in his 4K camera test for end of 2016: Thus while moving image quality forward is indeed important, what matters even more is improving the existing functionality of the current camera and not having any stupid problems with them (hello Sony a6300... or hello Canon 5D mk4!!!). Which adding: 4K slow motion, 4K 30p 10bit 422, waveforms, vectorscopes, better EVF, full size HDMI, better XLR accessory, and much much more.... is what the GH5 does *right*!! :-)

Exactly! The way I see it is that the GH5 won't be shipping until another 3 months (and even then, it might be so massively popular we'll see a backlog of orders??). GH5 won't get all the major firmware updates it needs until late 2017 Terra 5K might still be a few months away before it can easily be purchased??? Or more. Anything announced at NAB might not ship until late 2017 (or maybe even later....!) So yeah, I think we've got plenty of time to chill and take stock of our options 　 Personally I'm pretty happy with my Sony PMW-F3 / BMPCC / Panasonic G6 / Nikon D5200 / Samsung NX300 collection of cameras. I can happily wait until late 2017 to see what comes out of the woodwork, and for the current range of options to settle down. (besides, I'm focusing more into investing in my audio kit at the moment anyway) Agreed, the GH5 has so many groundbreaking new features in it that it might just with time end up jostling with the famous GH4 (and GH1! Which started all this) as having had the bigger impact historically. Sadly true for many people :-( :-( I'm referring to a stock Canon 5D mk3, which is what you'll often find the average uninformed internet commentator (of which there are many many many *many* of them!) comparing the GH4 (and now GH5) against, and trying to claim/complaining that Panasonic is somehow coming up short against the well known 5D mk3. Very sadly Panasonic had to limit the 4K in the GX850 to only 5 minutes!?!?!?! :-( :-( I was hoping to look forward to a little mini powerhouse for 4K like the Panasonic GM1 was for FHD.

The 5D mk3 is fairly outdated, remember the old Nikon D5200 which was APS-C and nearly caught up to the 5D mk3? As Andrew Reid showed. Well MFT is not that far behind APS-C performance (and basically more or less no difference at all once you factor in a focal reducer). Thus it wouldn't surprise me to see the GH5 approach the level of many current APS-C cameras.