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Ignoring MFT?? With Panasonic + OMD + many others. Blackmagic's L Mount camera probably took way a few S1/S1H users who were wanting for something even more than what the S5mk2 is. But Blackmagic is only ever going to take away people who are 100% committed to videography/filmmaking. Even people are even a 95%/5% split with also doing photography, then I can't see them ditching Panasonic completely for Blackmagic. While I don't believe DJI will release a camera under the DJI brand any time soon (i.e. within the next 18 months) that will cater to the 50/50 video/photos users, they might release a video hybrid camera with enough basic photo capabilities (unlike Blackmagic cameras) that it might at least tempt away some 80%/20% video/photos users in the L Mount camp. Does Leica have veto power over allowing new brands into the L Mount Alliance?? I think they might?? Not sure from memory.

And today you can get a C300mk1 ready to go for just US$600, it's crazy how super affordable great cameras are today. (if you don't mind ignoring the lack of 4K)

720 > 1080

OP waited another two years between this post and the previous post without ever upgrading their 7D, what's the big deal if they wait another two more years? And then yet another couple more years? Might be enough time to finally see an OG GFX 50S priced within OP's budget. They should definitely do that.

I would, if I knew I was going to stick with MFT for the next few years. As what is there that could compare with the Laowa 7.5mm f2? I guess a Rokinon 10mm f2.8 that's speedboosted up would be the equivalent. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1039917-REG/rokinon_10maf_n_10mm_f_2_8_ed_as.html

Like what? An update to the discontinued Sony AX700?? I'm afraid that consumer grade camcorders at that price point are dead. Maaaaybe there will be a last gasp of them and they'll release a new updated model of it, but I wouldn't hold my breath for it. The best hope would be that there is an updated Sony PXW-Z90V which brings all of the new features to that.

oh for goodness sake, that was a hell of a brain fart by me! Yes, of course, I meant to type 7D oh wow, two plus years later and still no upgrade 😂

Yes I know, but what I meant is that the 7D is an APS-C camera, so it's possible none of OP's lenses would cover the EOS RP sensor. 😂 This thread? At least OP wrote a bunch of comments later on in this thread, not just the first post. Which is more than what a lot of drive by posters do when they start new threads! 😕

I wonder how many if any of OP's lenses are compatible with the EOS RP though, as they've currently got a RP. Was assuming not many, if any, plus they said "My lens collection is quite small, so I’m open to building a new set of lenses if needed." It's a decent sensor, but one that falls short against the main competition: https://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Nikon-D750-versus-Nikon-Z6-versus-Canon-EOS-RP___975_1269_1302

There will always be buyers for a Nikon D750? Why is selling it an issue?? D800 can be found for similar prices (or even cheaper??? Seriously!) to the D750, so that's another one to consider. If you're also into landscape or architectural photography. Or similar slow paced but high resolution photography. Otherwise I'd prefer the feature set of the D750. Also the Nikon D600 is worth a look, which is even cheaper. (yet still has a great sensor itself: https://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Nikon-D750-versus-Nikon-D600___975_834 ) But when the D750 itself is only a hundred (maybe two hundred) bucks more, I'm not sure it's worth saving the pennies over.

What is truly most important to you? Filmmaking? I'm guessing that matters to you?? You said night photography, but you're posting in EOSHD? As if video performance is irrelevant to you (or of minor importance), but if night photography is your number 1 priority, then go for a secondhand Nikon D750? And put the rest into nice AF-D / G lenses. (also, dpreview forums or similar might be a better post for this than here?) D750 can still do quite nice video too, would be a big improvement over your 7D: https://www.eoshd.com/review/nikon-d750-review-initial-thoughts-real-world-footage-ladies-gentleman-contender/ But if video is the #1 priority for you, then I probably would look elsewhere. But with your very tight budget it's tricky to know what to do. Maybe you could get lucky and find an a7Smk2 within your budget? As an a7Smk1 without an external recorder doesn't seem like it's truly worth it vs a solid Nikon D750. Fujifilm X-H1 or X-T3 would also likely be outside your budget. Am afraid a Nikon Z6 mk1 would also be outside your budget. Panasonic GH5S perhaps?? (the GH5S version, not the GH5. Although even the GH5mk2 itself manages a better low light ISO score on dxomark than the Canon 7D: https://cdn.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Canon-EOS-7D-versus-Panasonic-Lumix-DC-GH5-II___619_1366 )

Considering that the sensor in the BMCC is even smaller than usual for a MFT camera (thus a more narrow FoV for any given focal length), you might want to consider even wider lenses such as the SLR Magic 8mm f4 or the SLR Magic 10mm T2.1

Relative to your own interest in technique/craft, sure, you like gear far far less. Relatively speaking. But compared to the average buyer of a camera at Best Buy today? You're a waaaay more gear obsessed nerd than they are 😉

nah, that prove just how much they hate us because it was never released with a MFT mount! It was sooooo close.... ! Could have been the badly overdue "Panasonic AF200"

I think you definitely fall into one or more of these categories though (I'll happily admit I fall into at least one of these categories myself! But at least I'm consciously aware of it? Thus if I'm ever upgrading my stills camera, I won't go for a Z8 or Z6mk3, but rather a D500 or a D750): You're a professional, thus the marginal cost of an upgrade is even lower for you (because of tax write offs). Plus as a professional if an improvement gives even a barely measurable 1% improvement to your revenue that is still enough to make it cost neutral to upgrade to this year's model. Also I think you can admit you're a bit of a gear addict? Who enjoys obsessing over camera tech 😉 (you wouldn't have thousands of posts talking about it if you didn't) For sure, I'd rather show up on a professional photoshoot with 3x Nikon D750 than one Nikon Z6mk3! (plus having 3x D750 would only cost a bit more than half of what a single Z6mk3 would cost)

We used to have a subforum here for that years ago. It's criminal how little a FS7 sells for these days 😭😭😭

I agree, with the release of the sensor in DSLRs such as the Nikon D5200 or D7100 then there was no point for most people to upgrade their cameras when it comes to image quality. (well, ok, perhaps over a five year plus time span then you might see enough improvements to justify upgrade. Maybe.... as after all, is the Nikon Zfc really that much better image quality than the photos from an ancient Nikon D5200? Nah) So instead you're not buying for image quality, but for features. But even in this situation then even old DSLRs such as Nikon D7100/D500/D750/D800 often have plenty of features for the vast majority of casual (and even serious) users. Those who keep on feeling a drive to keep on upgrading likely fall into into one of these categories (or more than one!): 1) have a gear addiction / obsession 2) fall into a very niche category 3) have more money than common sense and/or have plenty of money to spend (thus the marginal value of a dollar is not the same for them as it is for me) 4) are a top notch pro, and can write off a lot of these costs as "businesses expenses" while they're chasing marginal gains 5) or maybe, still stuck in a mindset of a decade or two ago, when it made more sense that you "must" upgrade every generation I feel we're close to hitting this point for video with hybrid cameras, which we hit a long time ago for photos with image quality and features. "Good enough" image quality for video that you no longer need to constantly upgrade was hit a while ago with the likes of GH5S/S5mk1/a7Smk1/P4K/X-H1/etc And as for feature sets that you'd want, depending on your point of view, we either already hit there quite a while ago, or we're rapidly getting soon to that point.

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Hmmm.... if I was in your shoes then I'd be split between: 1) Panasonic S5mk2, to get "the best" at the "lowest" cost 2) secondhand Sony ZV-E10 (or one of the recent a6x00 cameras???), to truly minimize your expenditure with the cheapest possible good option with "modern AF" abilities 3) Panasonic GH7, so that you share the same lens mount with your P4K, as it's a bad idea to be spread out thinly over multiple mounts (but I'm a hypocrite for pointing that out! ha) 4) secondhand Panasonic G9, because it's dirt cheap, and has the best AF from Panasonic from the previous older (and thus cheap) generation

Are you doing this at least semi professionally? Going for the Sony FX30 makes sense so you can perhaps work alongside other productions using FX3/FX6/FX9/FS7 (and/or it makes for a great B Cam when you finally get yourself your own FX6) Another option: hire a 1st AC

RED made these grand promises of making "Obsolescence Obsolete" but the hard reality is often the upgrades were not truly worth it, the cost savings of paying for a very expensive sensor upgrade vs what you'd get from selling your perfectly fine working camera then re-buying the new one with the latest sensor. You still can swap out the EF Mount for PL Mount on an EVA1 if you wish, you the user could do it yourself. Yes, but with a few tweaks, such as having an operator side menus such as the F5/F55 cameras, not on the AC side like the the ARRI 35 (or even worse, none at all like the Mini!!).

I replied to @Davide DB assuming they mean their social network of connections.

For me I think the two big reasons L Mount struggled with market share was: 1) lacked the massive presence in the consumer market that Canon / Nikon / Sony had. Walk into any tiny photo store or even a generic electronics goods store in some modest sized town and you can likely find Canon / Nikon / Sony in stock. It's been like this for many years, with Canon / Nikon DSLRs being sold. Thus they could leverage a very strong retail network of connections when they launched their full frame mirrorless cameras. (and to a lesser extent this was true with Sony cameras, but Sony could also leverage their very strong consumer electronics retailer network. Panasonic laptops / headphones / bluetooth speakers / cellphones / etc are simply nowhere even closer to as popular as the Sony products are) 2) late to the market. Everyone else already had a head start. Perhaps you could overcome one of these disadvantages? But both? Nope! Made it a near impossible task for Panasonic to crack the top three. Probably the Varicam 35 was aimed to compared head to head against ARRI ALEXA. But ARRI was already established, and Panasonic couldn't crack that nut. So they released the Varicam LT, thinking that at least they can now win the mid market with it by releasing what was surely clearly "the best" mid market camera. But they missed the boat on that too, as the midmarket was hollowed out and non-existent, taken out from the low end pricing by the exceptionally popular Sony FS7. Thus why at the end Panasonic slashed the price of the Varicam LT to under $10K to put it in the same pricing ballpark as the FS7 to compete against it. But again, too late. That was locking the stable door after the horse had already bolted. The FS7 was dominating, and people wouldn't want to risk considering anything else when every producer & their dog is asking for "an FS7 shooter". A damn pity an "AF200" was never released by Panasonic. If they'd released either the DVX200 or the EVA1 with a MFT Mount then it could have been the "AF200" if they'd timed it right. (of course it's too late now!) The BS2H / BGH2 needs to have a no delay SDI output!

Yes, but I think it's not just educated camera buyers becoming even more educated, but also a massive drop off in the "uneducated casual buyers". People such as my sister who would have a decade ago casually purchased a Canon APS-C camera for fun. That market segment has collapsed. As why would she do that again now in 2024? She's got her Samsung S24 to take photos with, and she still has her old DSLR around if she wanted to use "a real camera" for whatever odd reason. So if you remove 95% of the uneducated casual buyers, and get the remaining educated buyers even more educated, then the average has gone up massively. And thus you've got vastly more discerning buyers now. They tried. With the Varicam S35, Varicam LT, and EVA1. I too want to see a modern version of them for 2024!! Sadly I suspect the best we can possibly hope for is a Panasonic S1Hmk2 & Panasonic BS2H

I feel that in this "post peak camera" world then this length of time for a camera lifecycle could unfortunately be "the new normal". Camera sales will never return to their former peaks. and progress has massively slowed down when you look at the improvements from one generation to the next. The leap from a Nikon D5 to Nikon D6 for instance is nowhere near as impressive as the leap from the Nikon D2 to a D3, or from that D3 to a D4. Camera performance has been plateauing. Arguably I'd say for most people camera performance (in terms of stills that is) hit the plateau with the era of the Nikon D7100. (which was released way back in February 2013! Heck, it could even be said that as far back as 2010 with the Nikon D7000 release we saw the "good enough" plateau being hit for the average camera consumer when it comes to stills performance) Sure, stills camera performance did keep on improving, but from the perspective of the average camera consumer then a lot of these were deep into marginal gains that for many of them are irrelevant. (sure, over big time spans then all these marginal gains add up to being worthwhile. A 2010 camera vs a 2024 camera? Sure, a "big" improvement! But 2010 to 2013? Nahhhh. 2010 to 2016? Nah) Was only the demand for improved video features, and the hype over mirrorless cameras, that hid the fact that stills camera performances were in a plateau and allowed sales to keep on driving forward (as sales are what's needed to compel manufacturers to keep on releasing new generations of cameras to sell). But now in 2024 we're seeing video performance in hybrid cameras hit that "good enough" plateau, and the transition over to mirrorless is complete (almost zero DSLR sales are still happening). What's left to keep on pushing sales forward to incentivize camera manufacturers to keep on pumping out quick updates to their camera generations? I feel it could be over for seeing quick camera refreshes. The only time we'll get again 2 or 3 year camera life cycles will be: 1) if it's extremely minor update, such as the Sony FS7 to the FS7mk2 2) or if it is a variation on a camera model that isn't actually a replacement generation at all (such as GH5 to GH5S) 3) or if a camera release is a total sales flop, and they need to push out fast a replacement model that fixes the previous generation's flaws (thus in a way, that previous generation "doesn't count" when it comes to considering the camera lifecycle) Otherwise I think 4, 5, or 6 year (or even longer???) camera releases cycles are unfortunately now our "new normal". Another confounding factor is we've just gone through the covid era with worldwide lockdowns. For a lot of people they might regard those years as "not counting" at all, or only counting the covid years at a 50% discounted rate. Viewed like that, then maybe in the eyes of people at Panasonic the S1/S1R is only a couple of years into its lifecycle? So the very long wait for an update of the S1 series (i.e. the S1/S1R/S1H mk2) I don't see by itself as being any concern yet that Panasonic is going to abandon the high end full frame mirrorless segment.