Marcio Kabke Pinheiro

Good question, will take a look of the 1080p in my X-S10, I think that I never used it (except for some 240fps test, which are - and, AFAIK, stays - an utterly crap). A lot of the midrange Panasonics (GX9 for sure, the GX85 too I think) had bad 1080p too.

Thing is: we're a bunch of old people that not understand what the newer generations like, specially because it looks like crap for us. Exactly what our parents thought when saw us listening to Nirvana. 🙂 It amazes me how people now just use their smartphones for EVERYTHING. I do a good amount of stock trading to manage my saved money, and I could not imagine a worst use case than trying to use a real time trading platform on a phone - but more than a half of the people that I saw in the support channels are unding a phone. Specially because a lot (and I mean a lot) of young people does not even have a computer more, desktop or notebook. Only a phone. Bad or not, it is the reality. And for a vídeo that the main subject is a person, when the background does not have so much importance, vertical video is much better to see in a phone - the person appears bigger. Only realized it after being a father and filming my daughter - she is the focus, and in most for the filming is capturing her movements, her interactions. To see and share it to my parents, 3000 kms far from here, which will see on their phones, is a much better orientation. If your target group uses prominently one tipe of media consumption device, is good advice to optimize for it. Second: I am in a Telegram group of a channel from a couple that makes reviews and do filmmaking courses (kinda good, but focused in content creation), that mostly talk about gear. The majority of people there are starters in content creation, from filming product showcases to weddings. Young people, very tight budget. A lot of them do the filming for influencers - static things like the influencer making product showcases or moving takes for lifestyle. For these guys, even when their primary deliver is horizontal content for Youtube, vertical shooting is a VERY considered asset - almost all of them have a gimbal, and one of the top 3 topics considered is how easy and good is a gimbal to make vertical shooting. Because, for almost all the Youtube videos that they do, a vertical short cut is needed to go to social media. And for this bunch, the most coveted camera is the Sony ZV-E10, with Viltrox and Sigma primes - cheap and with good enough results, much better than a smartphone. No IBIS - but they already have a gimbal. No need for EVFs, they grown looking a phone screen. The most advanced ones liked the FX30 - the great Sony AF for video is key fo them. The availablity of good lenses as the Viltroxes too - each day more I think that the Canon decision to block 3rd party lenses is a shot oh the foot, the previous preferred camera for this crowd was the Canon SL3... And none have "artistic whishes" about their filming - they want a result good enough to compete on market. And I think is a driving force now on market - all this "vlog" cameras appearing shows that. In this Telegram group almost 150 people bought ZV-E10s. But none do that "vlog" style that erroneously people use for reviews, camera on hand, walking. Almost all are tripod or gimbal shots, no walking, a determined subject, background depending on case. Is a very different world that we are accustomed. No better, no worse, just is it.

As an X-S10 user, and since Fuji will never release my dream camera (an X-E4 with dual dials and more buttons, IBIS and 10-bit video, even with 30 min limit), this one looks like the one for an amateur like me. In theory, solve all my biggest gripes with the X-S10: - Battery life: with Boost mode enabled (the "full" boost mode, not the IBIS one), is the greatest battery eater camera that I had (never had a OG BMPCC). Other day, brought it to a birthday party to film my daugther, and the first battery was dead after around 100 frames and 10 minutes of 4k video. Is abysmal. - Autofocus: Fuji still lags behind other brands, but the newest models looks better - and this one have revamped algos (which are now available to X-T5 and X-H2 as firmware updates); from the first impressions, looks like a lot better. I have troubles with X-S10 AF even with stills - and I hope that eye af in video with more than one person is frame becomes usable. - IBIS: one more stop, which don't matter too much - for stills Fuji IBIS is good enough from a long time, but in video it keeps "fighting" with the beginning of a movement. Looks better now too - albeit still far from Olympus. 10-bit is very welcome, F-Log becomes usable now. 4k60 welcome too. Another great revamp is that the four C positions on mode dial now could store video and stills settings (in X-S10, only stills). 6,2k open gate 10-bit 4:2:2 is a surprise in a camera of this size, as the possibility of external raw recording. In fact, is really a baby X-H2S without a stacked sensor and shorter record times - already know people that were planning to buy a 2nd X-H2S and now will use X-S20 as B-cams. The bad: - No weather sealing; - Since the body was slightly revamped for the bigger battery, and cabling for the fan and headphone jack, Fuji lost the opportunity make some more modifications: since there is no weather sealing, the front dial should be clickable. And the camera should have the front button of the X-H line to change focus modes (or other function). This would bring 2 more custom buttons without taking any other space. - Would like a 3,6 mp EVF, but even the R7 have the same panel, is par for the course; - STILL NO GENERAL OBJECT TRACKING in movie mode, Fuji? My god, even the Olympus, who had an atrocious one, now have it. My decision will be determined by the final price here in Brazil. We have a 60% import tax for everything, and a lot of cameras are the double of the US price. Fujifilm here sometimes lauch with a "better" difference, when I got the X-S10, it was "only" 22% up to US price. And...some reasoning. It solves a lot of my gripes, and is even overkill for an amateur like my me. In fact, with a revamped AF algorithm and a smoother IBIS, the X-S10 could be enough for me. The X-S20 could be my "final" camera (since it have all that I need and more), but with the added costs (camera, a new extra battery, new license for C1 or DxO, new UHS-II cards) will not be a cheap one. About lenses - just got the Sigma 18-50 f/2.8, beauty little thing. Compared to the 18-55 f/2.8-4, is not so much sharper in stills (don't know if it is my copy), but liked it a lot for video - better AF, MUCH less noisy, and, surprisingly, IBIS does a better job the the "Dual IS" of the older one.

Dave Etchells just wrote an article on PetaPixel telling the story of the closure of Imaging Resource. https://petapixel.com/2023/05/10/imaging-resource-founder-shares-the-tale-of-his-sites-untimely-demise/

Yep. Their comparometer image test, together with DPReview one, was one of the best ways to compare cameras.

In fact, adding to the stacked sensor (and perhaps being even more important), the Z9 / Z8 have a dual dedicated image feed - one for the processor, and one exclusive for the EVF / LCD. Is a thing that I always thought that should be standard to mirrorless cameras, but since it is still so rare, should be costly to implement. I guessed that it could be done splitting the signal after it leaves the sensor, but looks like it should be implemented in the sensor itself.

Hope that they nails the ergos this time. Could be the camera that make me switch from Fuji. I think that Sonys are very uninspiring and souless, but the Fuji AF woes are starting to fed me. (Canon just implemented my dream - the option to choose which person to follow in a group, a situation that Fuji goes haywire)

Just adding to the discussion: in May 24th there will be a Fujji X Summit, and, according to rumour sites, the X-S20 will be announced. As a X-S10 user, really waiting for it (my dream Fuji camera would be a X-E5 with some controls back and IBIS, but Fuji will never put IBIS in their X-E ou X-Pro lines...)

Imaging Resource is gone (really), without announcement. https://petapixel.com/2023/05/08/imaging-resource-is-now-offline-as-the-camera-website-shuts-its-doors/ Was my preferred, above DPReview.

@IronFilm, completely noob audio question here: I know that 32bit float recorders allows you to recover clipped sounds. But the audio could not arrive at the recorder already clipped from the microphone, if the recorded sound is too high?

The RAW case was dismissed, and Nikon is free to keep it.

Same question as me. This week I was looking the lenses available for Sony and found the 1st Samyang zoom - and the B&H reviews are littered of people which had the mount ripped form the lens; it is a heavy lens, and the mount is screwed to a plastic shell. Let's hope that this newer one is better.

This one will be the ZV-E20. 🙂 And boy, would be much more interesting - specially if they could put a new sensor without atrocious rolling shutter.

About being overpriced, I think that a even better example is the S5 II, which have a (good) EVF, internal cooling, 24mp (better oversampling), waveforms, a mechanical shutter...for $2000. In the group that I am that people bought ZV-E10s in troves, everybody liked the camera, but...the only ones thinking of getting one are the FX3 users, as a second body. ZV-E10 is $700. With the $1300 difference, they could buy lenses (Viltrox is VERY popular in that group too). And to upgrade from the ZV-E10 to ZV-E1, the user will have probably to upgrade it's lenses too. ZV-E10 users are not the target of this one.

OOC, very good JPGs.

ZV-E10 sell in troves, at least here in Brazil - I am in a Telegram group that only, in there, more than 70 people bought it.

Viagra and steroids in horse doses too.

Don't even need the hack - the GX9 have Cinelike D and V natively with firmware 1.1 🙂 Used a lot with Leeming Lut, lovely colors. My mentioned better colors were in stills - best colors in all the GXs that I had.

GX9 colors are even better, at least to my tastes. When I bought the GX9, was in a good bundle price from a friend, that had the 12-60 (the non leica version) included; my intention was to keep the lens, sell the body, and continue to use the GX85. Instead, the (loved) GX85 gone. The GX9 was trounced because of the esxtra 4k crop, which is really a bad thing. But the return of the tilt EVF (loved it in my GX7), much faster operation, better eye AF, better colors (again, to my taste), and return of the dedicated AF mode switch, all this won me. Now I'm on Fuji, but I still miss it.

@Andrew Reidpost mentioning Stevie's Digicams...my go to site when choosing my first digicam, a Powershot A20. Some weeks ago I remembered it, went to discover when it ended...was when Stevie himself died. Loved DC Resource too, Jeff closed the site to work on DPReview, and left some years ago. Good times.

Even less than that. For me, just add a flip screen, a tad better EVF, take off the 4k crop, PDAF, and (specially) bring some "film" recipes to attract the same target. Once I had a X100s and a LX100 - and the LX trounced it for me. Better AF, much more flexible with a zoom lens, and (surprised) trounced the X100s in low light. I know that the X100V is a different beast, but I still think that the LX100 are more versatile. Still have my LX100 MK I, by the way, is my go-to camera. Pretty, very small, you choose the focal lenght on the fly.

These are times where people use Camera Conspiracies as a serious site to get technical information...(no joke, each day I see more people using him as a tech reference)

I knwo that Amazon needs to cut costs, but close a website with THIRTEEN people on staff? Jeff Bezos have a bigger crew just to clean his balls.

Chris and Jordan, yes. Let's see if someone will get the DPReview site.

Forums were toxic as hell. But their Comparison Tool helped me a lot.