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I haven't done sharpness comparisons, but here is some recordings I did comparing the Panasonic LX100, G7, GX80, and Olympus OMD E-M5II colour.

@Inazuma It is probably too late, but here is some recordings I did comparing the Panasonic LX100, G7, GX80, and Olympus OMD E-M5II. Skin tones and the X-Rite Video Colour Checker Passport and DSC Labs Colour Chart. All were set to custom white balance using an expo disk before recording was started - the light was usual UK grey overcast. The lens used for the GX80, G7, and OMD E-M5 II was the Panasonic 12-35/2.8 zoom at 35mm at f2.8, ISO 200, 1/50s shutter. The lens on the LX100 is the fixed 24-75mm (equivalent) lens shot at 75mm (eq), f2.8, ISO 200, 1/50 shutter. The Panasonic cameras were all shot at 4k 100Mbps and the Olympus using the 1080p ALL-I 77 Mbps codecs. The video was downscaled to 1080p in FCPX. The Panasonic profiles were "Natural 0, -3, -4, 0" and "Standard -5,-5,-5,-5" The Olympus profiles were "Natural 0, -2, 0", "Muted -2, -2, -2" and "Flat Video" profiles. The original files can be found at: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5L5s8IdiEl9c0VvM2oyN2Y4bTg

You can also keep it in manual mode, assign s-af to the back button to get s-af during recording (like the G7 but not the LX100 for some reason). That is what I sometimes use if I lose focus or I am having trouble seeing peaking.

I used that recently with some footage shot with my GX80 and non-stabilised lenses to fix a couple of pans. Worked really well.

It is definitely different than what I see from my LX100 and possibly my G7 (although I haven't shot as much with it). I will try to get my son to sit still for a few minutes near a couple of colour charts with all three cameras this afternoon. I'm glad to hear that the GX80 JPEGs are nice now - I will have to shoot JPEG+RAW and take a look. I've been using exiftool (exiftool -model="DMC-G7" -ext rw2 Desktop/test-exif/) to change the camera type to G7 as that was the most recent Panasonic camera RAW which is supported by OSX and Lightroom, I think. The RAW files on the LX100 were pretty good, but the JPEG output was weak. JPEG processing was one of the reasons I was staying with Olympus (along with the IBIS). Panasonic also has had a decent RAW to JPEG converter in camera at least back to the LX100 (I don't remember if it was on the GX7).

I totally agree. I've been shooting for the past two weekends with the gx80 and the two Panasonic f2.8 zooms with dual-IS. Great combination for stills and video. What should the settings be for stabilisation if it doesn't match your focal length? For example if I have a set of 17/25/42.5 primes, I have the stabilisation presets on the GX80 set to 16/24/40mm - I'm guessing that is close enough.

It was all shot in 4k and downscaled to 1080p (except for some of the duck shots where I was experimenting with Electronic Tele Converter 2x 1080p crop @50fps). The wobble is the stabilisation which is more pronounced with the IBIS-only (compared to the dual-IS). Well, it isn't a problem with the stabilisation which does a fantastic job on getting rid of hand shake and also allows some nice panning. It is more a problem with me moving with the camera and making changes in direction or velocity or moving a little too sudden. The stabilisation tries to "catch up" or compensate and you get the distortion. I haven't done any moving shot comparisons between my E-M5II and the GX80, but I might try to do so this weekend if I have some time.

I have only used the default sunny/cloudy settings. I'm curious to hear what you think about the colour on the GX80 compared to your LX100 and GX7 experience. For me, at least in my limited testing things like lips as a little less "purple", the skin tones are more even and the grass less nuclear green. If I can get some time this weekend, I will try to shoot some natural and standard profiles with the LX100, G7, and GX80 with my son and colour charts.

My UK camera has 4k/25p, 4k/24p, 1080p/50p, 1080p/25p. I thought that this would bother me, but when I shoot video in Canada (NTSC), I just use 4k/24p like probably most people do there anyway (rather than 4k/30p). It does (finally!) Check out my test here. I still think that the E-M5II has a bit of a stabilisation edge with that lens, but the jitter is gone. You can see some of my hand-held testing with the Olympus 9-18, Panasonic 35-100/2.8 and 12-35/2.8 here. The 35-100 was used for the duck pond up until the pier shots which is where I used the P12-35/2.8 (which is also solid). https://vimeo.com/167339810 Mine was super-jittery when using OIS on a Panasonic body, but solid on my Olympus bodies with IBIS. Here is an old test with my GX7 and you can see how it was bad on my G7 still (but fixed on the GX80) in my other video above. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1sNjEfD3GE

I'm Canadian (but living in UK) and my brother lives in Calgary (Olympic skeleton program) - I was just kidding. Even got a couple of cameras from the Camera Store at 7% tax before the Canadian Dollar adjusted and companies adjusted their prices . One of the best trips I ever did was camping/hiking between Banff/Jasper in late June. A lot of snow was still on the ground and I saw so many black and grizzly bear, even a mother with a few cubs playing near the road. I'd been in the rockies before but never saw wildlife like that.

Here is a video of my first weekend out with the GX80. Yeah, it isn't that artistic, and it features some ducks, but it is the type of stuff I shoot and I think it shows a bit how it performs hand-held run-and-gun. All the shots were using Natural 0,-3,-4,0 at 4k/25fps except for some of the duck shots that were 1080p/50fps as I was playing with the ETC. The playground and beach/kite surfer shots were using the Olympus 9-18. I was kicking myself for not having a telephoto zoom once I saw the surfers out there. I cropped in once or twice just to see how it would look. The duck/hospital shots were all using the Panasonic 35-100/2.8. (Jitter finally gone!) The pier and park shots were with the Panasonic 12-35/2.8. I really like the colour and the picture that this camera produces and the skin tones are not all funky like with my LX100 (although I need to do some more testing). I only adjusted exposure before uploading, but I checked some of the skin tones with a vectorscope and they looked pretty good. I just used sunny or cloudy white balance when filming. You can see the stabilisation challenges (wobble) when I was doing more ambitious movements with the 9-18 lens, but I think overall steadiness with the Panasonic OIS zooms, including panning works really good. I need tai chi training from @fuzzynormal to reproduce what he does with his EM-5. My Olympus cameras are going on eBay as soon as I finish something I'm working on and I'll probably sell my G7 too as I like the smaller size of the GX80. I still haven't decided if I'll sell my LX100. I love the little LX100 zoom lens and it is a great pocket/travel camera but I'm not sure about some of the funky colour. I think that @Inazuma had a good idea of using the pancake 12-32 zoom with the 20mm/1.7 pancake for travel. Just not sure how the zoom with work without manual focus. I do use back button AF-S a fair bit - especially when chasing my kids. This works while recording on the GX80/G7 but not on the LX100.

Damn, I was about to post some dodgy GX80 footage that featured some ducks and my kids and say how happy I was with the picture Seriously, I really appreciate your effort and this site and all that I've learned from you and others here. I'm definitely a video hobbyist/hack but I really enjoy reading this site and it seems to help me keep my sanity As for Berlin, it could be worse - think of Calgary and what @Jordan Drake and Chris have to work with for each review

On the latest Panasonic cameras you can put the EVF/LCD in monochrome and it records normally in colour. I have the peaking in yellow which also helps...

I would also love it if camera makers would start adding similar metadata like EXIF in photography for use in editing programs. I am really enjoying shooting with the GX80, and the picture is really nice. But damn, if I could just pop a Rode Video Micro on top and plug it in I could get sound with no wind!

Interesting. I am a bit fearful and compromised when it comes to colour, (colourblind), but right away things like the red in the lips and the skin of my son look a lot more "natural" on the GX80 compared to the LX100 (in either standard or natural profiles). @Inazuma mentioned this about the LX100 in another thread. I will do some tests later with a colour chart and the same Natural and Standard settings on the LX100, G7, and GX80 (and maybe the E-M5II although it has a much different colours - in my opinion more natural).

This video is comparing the P35-100/2.8 and P12-35/2.8 lenses with various camera stabilisations on the Panasonic G7, GX80, LX100 and Olympus OMD E-M5II. All was handheld, and I was using both hands with elbows braced against my body and eye to the EVF. These were all shot in 1080p/25fps, with the E-M5II using the All-I codec. I kept it in 1080p as it was easier to get more or less the same crop/frame without having to move around. I didn't bother white balancing all the cameras (I should have sorry), and I probably should have tested the P12-35/2.8 on the E-M5II as well. The E-M5II is rock solid, and the stabilisation is better than any of the others. The 1080p codec (at shallow depth of field) also looks better on the E-M5II, in my opinion than the Panasonic 20Mbps 1080p. I need to test the 4k with some wide/detailed shots, but I'm sure the Panasonics will blow away the E-M5II.

Here are some quick headshots from this morning. Sorry about the jittery GX80 video, I must have had too much coffee this morning. From my stabilisation tests yesterday, I thought that the P35-100/2.8 was doing better on the GX80. Hmmm... I also added a couple of files comparing the same colour against the LX100. The GX80 colour looks much more natural in my opinion. I was surprised at how much different the LX100 was, especially in Natural mode. For white balance on both cameras, I used an expo disk and custom WB facing in the direction where I was to be shooting from where my son was sitting. All shot in 4k/25fps. Standard -5, -5, -5, -5, and Natural 0, -3, -4, 0 (which I have generally been using). I'll try to get some more later, outside, if I can get my son to co-operate https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5L5s8IdiEl9bm5lODJkYzhGNEU

Yeah, no mains charger in my kit, but shares the same battery with the LX100 and Gx7 so no problems there. The camera is only a little bit bigger than my LX100, and feels solid. The image looks good, and Hallelujah I think that they finally fixed the jitter with the Panasonic 35-100/2.8 with this camera. I need to do a formal compare of the 35-100/2.8 on G7/Gx80/E-M5II @200mm equivalent and vs. my LX100 at 70mm equivalent.

I spoke to Clifton Cameras today and they happened to have a body-only in stock which I should get tomorrow. I also read on DPreview that someone is having one shipped directly from Panasonic UK as their wife works there, so they are trickling in... I guess there goes the rumour about them adding a mic input

I haven't done a direct comparison (I should), but I prefer the wind noise isolation (I live somewhere really windy) and the smaller size of the Rode Micro when using my G7/E-M5II cameras and I have the ability to record internally. The Shure is an excellent solution (others have noted its sensitivity, but lack of directionality), and I can also connect the Shure output to a camera that has an input to give be a backup recording (on both the VP83F and camera). It just has a few more steps involved (and to forget) then popping on the Rode Micro and plugging it in. I was thinking of the getting a couple of the Little DARlings as I can use them with lav mics as well as use them to record from any other type of mic (on or off camera). I use a couple of E-M5II due to the IBIS but I'm thinking of selling them (and my G7) for the GX80 so I will need some sort of external recording solution. I'll be left with GX80 and LX100 as my two cameras and neither of them has a mic input. I really want to focus on the smallest and quickest audio solution that will give me much better sound than the camera built-in mics. That is why I'm patiently waiting for the Instamic to ship.

One sales manager was mentioning something about the Japanese earthquake, but I like your reason much better... Rumour has it the sensor is from Sony, and there was some discussion on DPreview about how sharp the image is.

I called a few of the UK camera shops today and it looks like the GX80 ship date has been pushed back until June sometime.

I have the zoom h1, but have found it a bit large and suffers from handling noise. I tried mounting it to a rycote shock mount but since the zoom is so light it doesn't seem to dampen it. It is great for recordings when you can place it or mount it somewhere static. I also have the discontinued Sony icd-sx1000 which is smaller than the zoom and has really good built in mics too and less handling noise. Built in battery and memory. i have the shure vp83f and it is a nice sensitive compact mic with good audio, but it isn't that directional. finally I really like using the video micro as it has a great deadcat and pics up pretty decent sound on my G7 (not so good on my EM5-II because of noisy preamps). I'm looking for the gx80 too (although seems that the shipping date is slipping into June). I am considering the little darling too, and need to figure out an easy way to quickly mount it with the video micro. I've also helped fund the instamic and I'm anxiously waiting for delivery of that device, which if could be somewhat hidden could help get a good mic and recorder close to moving subjects. Curses on Panasonic for no mic jack on the gx80 (and lx100).

Is the rx10ii stabilisation decent? This article says that there is a fair bit of jitter that put me off. I don't like the jitter as in my p35-100/2.8. http://www.mirrorlessons.com/2016/03/02/sony-rx10-ii-review/ i was considering the rx10ii as it has the ND built in, a good range and the slow motion. I find that the lx100 has really good stabilisation, and it would be killer if they put 5 axis in the next version.

Looking forward to this camera, as it might convince me to sell my Olympus cameras, although I still prefer the Olympus colours vs my lx100/g7, and the image looks pretty good with shallow depth of focus stuff. Actually, the e-m5 2 has newer firmware that has no crop when using sensor stabilisation only. When using sensor plus digital stabilisation there is a crop. I wish they would update the firmware to allow shutter/aperture changes in the dials while recording. I find the autofocus on the g7 not bad either, but I haven't tried the c-AF when shooting video, only s-AF. Funny how they keep adding these small incremental features as they go (s-AF during recording does not seem to work on my lx100). i really hope the gx80 ibis fixes the p35-100/2.8 jitter as it is such a nice compact lens and you can get all the extra zoom you need with no image penalty using the digital teleconverter (DTC).