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Well, I'm not running in the upper echelon of clientele so I suppose "skin tone" is a possible all important tick-box for hard core specialists in choosing a camera for a gig. As I say, I'm small potatoes, so from my perspective it seems like a lot of navel gazing rationalization. I'm not sure I agree that we should be so pedantic, but I'm speaking from ignorance here. I never had a client balk at my gear selection. Still, seems like a simple nuanced application of good color grading can create pleasing tones regardless --so I do question if it's as important as some assert it is. Also, the lens is a huge factor in color rendition. When I hear people bash the Sony sensors I tend to wonder exactly what glass they're using or what they are (or are not) doing to their image in post.

No, not my work, just examples of color grading that make "ideal skin tone" seem somewhat irrelevant. My point is this: I'm not looking for a camera that offers the best skin tone. I'm saying all modern cameras are pretty good and with color grading you can pull it into your preference anyway. If you agree with that assertion, then why worry so much about skin tone to begin with? If you disagree with that premise I'm genuinely interested why. I accept that I may be off the mark here. As for my videos, there's nothing in there where I'm upset with skin tone color.

​That's the thing. I'm not terribly particular about it. I'm perfectly comfortable making someone look blue or orange if I feel it helps tell a story and assists ambience. I'm all about context of the narrative. My color grading can get pretty wild, so I'm curious why others are such sticklers for what they imagine is an ideal. If/when a client wants something clean, I keep it clean --but no matter what camera I use they all offer images that never stray too far to create something nice, regardless. I very rarely let a shot go through post without a tweak on it.

Curious as to why it seems to be such a high priority with some folks. Myself, I do low level corporate vids for a living and have used all sorts of cameras. I can't say I've been too bothered with any brand regarding skin color. If it looks off I adjust in post. And if I'm doing fictional narrative stuff there are no rules, so I push and pull my grades in all sorts of fun directions; as long as my white balance was on target I just never worried about what the skin tones are doing that much… So yeah, if y'all have any justifications I'd sincerely love to hear why this particular aspect makes a big difference for you. Thanks!

Film a one minute short with two people in one room and one small practical light source. You can't film faces.

​Just look really really hard at it. Also, do the skin tones look a little off to you?

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Who you gonna believe? Maths or your lying eyes? Just look.

BTW, has anyone asked you what light sources you're using for these tests? Has that been mentioned at all?

Yeah, I appreciate the quip... But I'me not sure ​Yuri would actually agree Mid 20th century rocket science is a bit different than miniature electronics. And , when it comes to rockets (which are super cool) they were 1. designed and developed mostly by Germans. (and since I've already broken Godwin's law earlier in this thread I might as well point out that it was the Nazis that pushed German scientists hard to do it) ...and 2. space exploration was developed and persued as part of a high priority post wwII arms race. I'm not convinced that making electronic cameras with 18 stops of dynamic range for the bourgeois would have ever been a huge priority for communists. BTW, I only watched 10 minutes of "The Interview" so far. Hasn't exactly been interesting enough to hold my attention.

​cool. Upload the camera footage file and we'll take a look at it

Yeah, upload the file straight off the camera's card. Let's have a look.

Yeah, it's low bit rate compression. If you shot a bunch of tree leaves blowing in the wind you'd get a similar result.

​What lens are you using?

Make three personal project films in 2015. I only completed one this past year, so I need to increase my ambition.

Well, ​I'll disagree with that.

​not that I don't appreciate the parallel, but I doubt communism was ever gonna lead to innovations that offer us the nice camera toys we get to play with. And its its a whole different level of worship going on in NKR, wouldn't you agree, even a little bit? I mean, people can have an anti-American slant, but, really, under which government would you rather live?

Call it what you will, and ​I do agree, but the people of that nation ultimately do have their particular viewpoint of reality; twisted by terrible circumstances. But look, communism is philosophy and in NK it's now mixed with divinity nonsense. We might not like it, but can we deny it?

​nope.

​I'm talking about the NKR's government, not all the people. But let's consider the people. Regardless how they got there, plenty of the population now embrace and accept the hermit country's "philosophy" about the world. They don't know any better and have been indoctrinated in the ruling class' worldview. Not sure why that's hard to understand, controversial, or what's baffling about it. Seems like a reasonable reckoning of the situation to me. After all, even some Polish Jews supported the Nazis. (Ah... Godwin's Law! I suppose that was inevitable) Human behavior is complicated; especially in survival mode.

​I would have a difficult time eating without the internet. This is unfortunately true.

​Cool. That's literally an unequivocal statement. I'll actually watch the film and see if I agree with that assessment. But, as far as I'm concerned, the Koreans I've met, worked with in Seoul, (and got incredibly inebriated with) are awesome. They're more "out there" than many Americans and their pop culture is incredible. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I do distinguish between the two countries and their people.

  The movie is in poor taste for the expense of laughs.  That's pretty much how a lot of comedy works, whether you find it subjectively humorous or not.   Besides, NK's ARE weird and small.  They have a very unfortunate philosophy about life and government that leads to inability to actually feed their population.  Is that funny?  Can be, depends on context.  There's humor in everything seen from a certain angle.

​Bongs across the world spark up and rejoice. Just proxy your IP through a U.S. open source VPN if'n you want to check it out. Hack access to the movie that caused the hack.

Hey OP, Here's something that's not terribly funny (IMHO) as the comedic timing editing is way too off for my tastes --and I'm guessing the director/actors weren't willing to "kill a few babies" In order to land the jokes a lot quicker and just land the gag, but.... you really get a sense on how the lighting is a viable character of the comedy. Plus you get a breakdown tutorial on how they did it. The production is clean and considered. http://nofilmschool.com/2014/03/lighting-tutoral-capture-9-visual-styles-without-moving-your-camera Also, here's the down-est and dirty-ist trick I know to quickly determine if you're lighting your stuff somewhat effectively: Squint super hard while looking at your setup. If your subject(s) details disappear into silhouette you got some work to do. Only works if you're NOT trying to obscure the subject, of course.