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the 119mm works in the 24fps app. The 12ultra has a 1" sensor.

To be clear, I can pull back the demands and it'll shoot fine. BTW, the motioncam app cant access the 119mm lens on this 12sUltra, which is what i shoot with mostly, so RAW or not, that app isn't an option for me.

I have the 12sUltra. 256gb. Typing this on it now. Havent tried to shoot raw with it. FWIW, The 24pro app on this phone pushes the hardware to the limit and drops frames. boo. Not perfect, but one can dial in the image much better than the native app. I'll play with the motioncam app and see how it goes.

I haven't gone back through all the responses, but is the EM10iii listed? It's kinda small'ish. I use it and like it.

An option I've embraced that really keeps things simple is to forgo AF in video production. How I shoot is exactly how you say you'd like to shoot. It keeps it simple and once you train yourself how to be adept at manually focusing you'll find their are numerous techniques that'll carry the day. Also, there's something wonderfully organic about getting shots that float in and out of focus and then have a human hand pull it sharp. Now, to be fair, I am extremely short sighted, so it's actually a bit of a camera-operator super power I have. I can look at a LCD monitor 2 inches from my face and really see what's going on in perfect vision comfort. When I'm wearing my contact lenses and have to use "readers" eye-glasses to see things close the vision gets more challenging. Anyway. Manual focus. Something to consider anyway.

That bit pretty much sums up about any hobby. People that buy 20 guitars but can only play three chords. A dude that has a 40 year old Cessna airplane. The grandma that does scrapbooking. Model trains. Race cars. Dirt biking. Jet skis. Bowling. It's all 1st world luxury that even affords us the ability to "waste" our income. Beyond that, I make a living (somehow) doing this stuff for corporate so I guess I could be considered a pro at it in a way, but I still feel as if I'm a dilettante within it's sphere. The technology and techniques always outpaces my understanding. And the fascinating thing to me about making movies is that the people that truly excel in the business don't really chase the tech, they focus on the storytelling --and they let the technology specialists dig most of the rabbit holes. Wanna talk about "fundamentals" with all this motion picture stuff? Perhaps it's best to consider the notion of Art vs. Craft. Have any of y'all ever taken art classes during undergraduate studies? In my experience there was that there was always a person that's a marvel at drawing incredibly realistically...but sucks at making that work interesting or engaging beyond "oh, that looks real." Then there were people that could do one brush stroke on a canvas and somehow make it mesmerizing. Then the exceptional creatives do both. My issue with any kind of fundamentalist in a discipline is a narrow perspective that curbs imagination. It gets in the way to create something surprising. Like a Robert Kincaid, y'know?

Serious question, do you think you've been able to parlay your financial liberty into making meaningful cinema, even as a hobbyist? I ask because I think, even now, that creating motion pictures is a sandbox in which the affluent are more likely to be able to truly play.

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Maybe they're just being polite? 🙂

Dang. Now that I read it on the internet it must be true.

As a child of the 1970's would it surprise any of you to know that I grew up MOSTLY viewing motion picture images that were 60fps? And yet I still prefer 24fps. There's a little perspective from a person that's seen both during his entire life and is now an official old fart. So, just to say, that it's not as if younger generations are going to have a dissimilar experience when it comes to 60fps. My guess is that the legacy of 24fps is going to be a thing throughout the 21st century, and most likely will never actually go away; the reasons mentioned in this thread cover why.

Pffffssst. Just A.I. uprez the GM1 to 4K. Not because you should, but because it will give you an excuse to keep using the GM1. Man, out of all the cameras I've bought and sold over the years, why'd I let that one go? Still have it as my avatar all these years later...

Not sure how AI could do editing better than talented people, but, sure, you're right, it'll probably prove me wrong. I concede that AI right now can do automatic editing better than some people in general, but these are typically the content creators that just want to slap some shit together. The standards are lower. But, seriously, how could AI ever surpass some gal or guy that has earned wisdom (plus the context of it) and knows how to use that experience artistically? I mean, I'm in edits all the time where I'm debating the need to drop or add a single frame --or knowing when to use a flawed shot because it has more "heart" than a previous take where the camera didn't loose focus. Now, what happens when you're the creative and you're doing the artistic 'algebra' where you have to consider how various takes combine over multiple edits to create a scene... Yeah, I just wonder if it can replace that sort of vibe. Maybe.

Filmmaking will remain an art for more careful consideration. AI will be for bland content. AI will (and does) significantly help with the technical aspects of craft, but actual art is an intangible. Even if AI eventually learns how to manipulate the various elements of filmmaking into emotional "beats" --I still think it'll feel fake. That'll be good enough for non-discriminating people, but it'll remain in an emotional uncanny valley for others.

Ultimately, it's not a big deal. It's like people that are fussy about the type of wine they drink. They can understand and appreciate the nuances and subtleties -- and get incredibly particular about the flavours and details of it all. Other people simply don't care, they just like the buzz. As a filmmaker, you pour the wine you want to drink.

Art is conceit. Cinema is a altered from reality by default. Because of that, it's perfectly fine when some filmmakers decide for it to absolutely fail to be accurate in certain ways. Flaws are beautiful. They invoke an alternate reality. Some filmmakers like 48 or 60fps. So be it. I like 24fps and a 360 degree shutter. My preferences ain't wrong, they're simply mine.

This topic thread has been with us for awhile. This movie my wife and I helped make has been around for a few years too. Still, it's the holidays, and this is a "1930's" Christmas film. So, if you're interested in that sort of thing, take a peek for a half hour:

FYI, the Xiaomi 12S Ultra does not enable 10-bit recording through 3rd party apps like the mcpro24fps. Not a big deal for me, but if you're in the market, be aware. Best bet is to just ask the developer directly if the hardware you wanna use is compatible with 10-bit.

If you're gonna shittify the footage this much to achive the "film" look (which is not a criticism, I actually like doing that sort of thing myself) then you don't really have to worry about what camera it's shot on. As long as the source footage isn't a mess you'll be fine.

Yeah, from what I've seen it offers video-paths similar to the old Grass Valley switchers. Intuitive, but also deep in certain ways. Also, I like how the old half-million dollar equipment is now ridiculously cheap. Of course, who wants NTSC? but still...kinda neat. https://cutt.ly/FwEfAsoc

Just popping to to say I still have a working Video Toaster sitting in my closet. I've often thought about doing live streaming with it just for giggles. Never worth the effort, but still... Did you know they officially retired the Newtek brand as of this summer?

I used this camera for awhile and liked it as well. Some of us just want that smaller form factor I guess. Honestly, my fav cam of all time was the imperfect but really fun GX7. Man, that was 10 years ago already?

FYI, went for a used Xiaomi 12S Ultra. Will report back after using it a bit. Thanks yet again for the advice.

How about massive HMI lights to create the crazy over-exposure while shooting the light through motorizing reflective flags --which would be on some sort of a slit cylinder and forced through a big snoot? That might create a neat randomizing strobe effect? That idea might be more fun in theory than practice. I bet it would look cool though. I've also once made strobe type of effect for a cheap low-fi music vid simply by having a bunch of people turn the lights power on and off and rapidly while they were waving the light toward and away from the stage. Very organic look when you have people do it. 😉

Also, just an aside, but Xiaomi is absolutely horrible at naming their devices.