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That 's awesome. I hope it's truly just a short/trailer and not an entire feature, because the joke wouldn't stretch THAT long...but this clip was great. I got rid of my drone recently for an even scarier reason: wide angle aerial shots have now become a cliche' and as such just not worth doing (for me). Still useful every now and again, just not valuable enough to justify having it around all the time.

Branding! It's all about getting people familiar and comfortable with the name brand. Look how it's worked out for Nikon and Canon.

​I've shot a short film with the 110 25mm on a GM1. Even though I don't use that camera except for only certain tasks, I do love it. Great documentary stealth cam. Such an awesome set up with the a110 lenses, As you can tell from my avatar. I like the character of the glass and the f2.8 is, I think, ideal for cinema. Matched with the Panasonic IQ? It's pretty nice. It's truly amazing what you can/could make with that set-up --and you can acquire it via used gear for around $350.

​I believe in Herbie.

​I have a wide 10-20 zoom, but I've stopped using it. I also have a 12mm. As you say, there's always something that gets in the frame and it's very easy to quickly use a zoom lens to punch it a little to avoid putting something unwanted in the image. However, that's exactly why I'm trying to get away from zooms. Because it's easy to "fix" your framing by adjusting the focal length. It's more of a challenge to work to find the shot by positioning yourself around to the proper spot. And you never really get where you want to be, so you have to consider different visual options. It forces you to think of a new solution you wouldn't have otherwise. For instance, instead of a single shot that shows a building exterior, all of a sudden I'm finding that I need to shoot a sequence of medium shots and close ups to show the setting. That's different than what I'd do in the past and creates something new for me. BTW, most of this is for MY personal shooting. I will do this for clients if the job is right for it, but I do have clients where I just bang out coverage as fast as possible... Basically I'm saying I don't want a zoom to give myself quick solutions to framing. I want less solutions in order to force my creativity.

I have this same problem and have been trying to remedy it by walking out the door for shoots with only two primes. Maybe one prime, depending on the level of the job. After doing this for awhile and reviewing the results I'm realizing that I like the images I'm shooting on my 45mm M43 the best. All this came about when I decided not too long ago to shoot a documentary with a FF cam and a 50mm. The aesthetic had a cohesion that my typical undisciplined shooting did not. More visual creativity seems to come about when I'm forced into thinking about the self-imposed limitations of a shot and finding ways to compensate. Ironically, I'm getting more innovative by restricting my focal length freedom. Since I have a broadcasting background I've spent most of my career with variable zooms. Busting my old visual habits has been very rewarding. But, right now, I've kind of sworn off zoom lenses for motion picture shooting.

I like to think he's off actually making a film.

How can I be amused when the cold blue deepness projects into the void of the horizon and reflects back nothingness? Here on the edge of this urban wilderness, we ask ourselves, are we more or less than this visible spectrum? Spinning like a dancer. Like photons; never existing but always existing Yet, the dog continues running alongside his master. Day after day for hundreds of miles.

Because I find it funny. And you'd have to know me to appreciate the context of why I find it funny. If you don't, then you won't.

;-) ​I mean I'm amused at your response.

Kind of a amusing response that, be it serious or facetious. Anyway, I found it cute and funny because there's so many beginners and earnest enthusiasts accessing this newly affordable gear --and they seem so damn serious about their cameras. How do the British explain it? "Taking the piss out of..." or something like that? You (should) know as well as I do that we deserve to be mocked. If you don't get the silliness, you might want to consider why. The more this Ed guy riles things up the better, as far as I'm concerned. If any court needed a bit of jesting, it's us.

My first Canon fifty literally just fell apart one day and dropped to the ground. It broke into 4 pieces. I picked it up, walked over to a trash bin, and put it in. Last time I owned the 1.8 50.

​You tell me. Is that true? I've never used it. All I did was list my experiences. It does NOT have the ability to adjust focus without power? As I've said, I've used numerous Canon lenses that have electronic auto focus and were able to manually focus. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. Happens a lot, but that would be a pretty lousy design from Canon...which, actually, wouldn't surprise me.

​As I said, I'm personally using the Sigma 10-20 on a dumb adapter. It focuses manually fine. I also have a Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM. I've had the 50 mm - F/1.8 - Canon EF. The 50 mm - F/1.4 - Canon EF. The 40 mm - F/2.8 - Canon EF. As well as a Sigma 18-250mm f/3.5-6.3 DC Macro OS HSM Zoom Lens for Canon EOS Digital SLR Cameras. Never had an issue grabbing manual focus with any of that. It's not as elegant as mechanical, but it can be done. You can't rig some of 'em up with a focus rig, but ultimately you can focus. If you're shooting video should you really use auto focusing anyway? My opinion is that you should not. ...and with a wide 10mm focal length @f4.5, it really shouldn't be a trouble. And again, my posts on this thread have been qualified from the perspective of using glass for cinema/video, which is what the OP was asking about. He already has a piece of wide angle glass, why consider buying another one? This is not a snarky question. I really am interested in his opinion of why he wants to do so.

​I can speak for myself. The answer is procrastination.

​You can't? Why not? I use my Sigma EF mount lens on my M43 and ASP-C cams all the time. Are you misunderstanding or unaware of how you can use these lenses across different camera bodies with a simple adapter?

​Lovely and 10mm aren't two things I'd put in the same sentence, but that's just me. FWIW, I have a Sigma 10-20mm I mount on my s35 sensor-sized cams all the time. Works fine. And I'm confused. In your post you say you already have a 10-18mm, so what would you be unable to match? You already have the lens and can keep using it. My understanding is that the NX1 and the t2i are essentially the same sized sensor...

I think if your intent is to make cinematic images and can handle manual focus (which any shooter should be able to do) then buying a fast 50mm and a fast 24mm with a "dumb" adapter is perfectly adequate and all you SHOULD need for most of your work. If you're ambitious and affluent you can buy upscale cinema lenses, but 2 cheap old Canon FD's would suffice, I say. My opinion is that you could obviously fret about an infinite amount of other options, but just skip that nonsense and get to work with two nice primes. I've found that working within the "constrictions" of these two focal lengths on an s35 sensor has made me a more considered shooter and a much more visually consistent one. My 2cents.

Put yourself out there. You could easily get noticed for this and people will come to you for the next movie. Congratulations in advance!

​Well, more anecdotal info: M43 is the direction I've gone with the last 5 cams I've bought. But I still haven't sold my 5DII either. FF is nice as it can be pretty great in low-light; as seen with the A7s. There's good reasons for lots of gear. I do agree that it is kinda silly to assume that one's individual desires reflect the desires of an entire market. If that were true United States TV shows like "Enlightened" would be never have been canceled and the intellectual abortion of "Two and a Half Men" would never have existed in the first place. But I'm not a typical American TV viewer and the typical American TV viewer ain't me, so there you go.

Study Tai Chi. Or even archery. This isn't a joke. With proper body control and considered balance you can learn to stabilize a camera without any extra gear (for short stints anyway). You want to be stealth? Keep it simple and nondescript. The point is to be very aware about what you're doing with your body. Learn this first and then combine it with some of the the very practical suggestions here and you'll be golden. Of course, the caveat being that whatever you hold needs a decent amount of mass. Even a supernatural ninja that could control her/his heartbeat would have trouble keeping a lightweight camera stable. Anyway, I'd advise developing skill before spending money on a rig.

Well, I, for one, am encouraged that this thread had some life that I didn't expect. Agreed, it is a lot harder to analyze art rather than engineering, so to see a 5 page topic that kinda bridges the debate between both is nice. Thanks for the insights.

FWIW, I'm on M43 because it's compact. Photos and Videos for me work great. So this consumer in particular isn't caught up in the sensor size angst. And, if you really want mega DOF you can kinda get there with certain lenses. But, yeah, the small size of body and lenses is really a killer feature. The National Geographic mantra "f8 and be there" really resonates with me therefore I'm less about FF and more about just being in the right spot at the right time. All that said, you can't beat an interview shot done on FF with a fast prime 50 or 85.

​Everybody is right on the internet. :-) Some even more so because they know how to caps lock. Anyway, regardless of what this forum is or isn't I think it should be applauded for existing. Personally, I like the chippy-ness and passion around here. Freedom is usually a bit messy and I like it. I'd rather be offended than bored.

​Well, my sig has my vimeo page which leads to examples of things, which is mostly corporate. My thoughts are that those examples are good, not great... but it's there to see. That way you can balance my opinion with my level of production. Depending on where you're coming from in the biz, it could be inspiring or you could dismiss it. Nevertheless, it's there as a way to help judge my perspective. Which I think is fair. In any community it's good to have a sense of where people's opinions are coming from.