Cinegain

The Nebula 4000 is already over the peak of its popularity I think. Now there's the Ronin M and the Pilotfly H1 of which the results seem quite a bit nicer. It's nice that the Nebula 4000 made the pistol grip gimbal a thing... but I always felt it was too much hassle and looked like it was digitally correcting itself, it wasn't as fluid as I'd like. Dave Dugdale seems to be testing all of these, check him out over at https://www.youtube.com/user/drumat5280/videos . Don't forget MrCheesycam and Erik Naso either: https://www.youtube.com/user/MrCheesyCam/videos and https://www.youtube.com/user/ErikNaso . If you don't have immediate use for it, wait a couple of months more. These systems are maturing as we go, so there are bound to be better options out in the near future. - Ah, I've read up on Pilotfly's doings... there's now the H1+ that sports a 32bit controller with dual imu sensor. Definit upgrade from the 8bit controller. Good news.

​Does feel like this forum is quickly becoming 'the Ed show'...

Did you change up the cameras? 'Cause I felt like the scene 4 B was the D from the previous video... and in the 5th scene it was C. 4. A - terrible moiré on those orange panels, nice flat look and details though, bit soft, B - panels look clear of moiré here, bit soft, no shadow details, C - again, clear of moiré panels, nice 'n flatish, good details, D - great balance, probably best, nice sharpness and details, crisp look, but the moiré on the panels though... 5. Tough one... A - fine, nothing to fault here, B - better details, harsher highlight roll-off, C - this looks like something from a smartphone... harsh highlights as well, D - nice again

Last must be something like the Digital Bolex (wildcard: a lens corrected GoPro; perhaps smartphone). I felt like the 2nd might have been the GH4 or NX1. The first felt like the A7S or perhaps BMCC. The third's like the Canon 5DmkIII. The depth of field might agree with me, the crops not so much. Could be a lens thing. Not sure if he even has the cameras mentioned. So it's all just guesswork. You could make any camera look like another if you were trying to really really hard.

Perhaps it's nice to know 'why' we feel a certain way about our choices... 1. B - great overall image, love the detail, little videoey perhaps, A - Nice 'n flat, a little dreamy soft, C - A little soft, but perhaps the most filmlike, D - didn't like it at all, baked-in feel, noise, just no 2. C - little soft, but great character/tonality, A - little glowy and soft, B - starting to get a little gritty, contrast is pretty harsh, especially the highlights aren't very appealing, D - again, for me the absolute worst 3. The closest call. D - suddenly comes out rather well. Best overall look perhaps if it weren't for the noise/blockiness, otherwise great balance, still picking it over A's soft glow, A - again very glowy and somewhat soft, seems a smooth skin filter was applied or something, not digging that much, B - nice detailed image, felt again the contrast started to be harsh on the skin, C - the eyes kinda fall dead, but it has the best film look So I guess the cameras stayed the same designator (A, B, C, D) throughout. B for me would be the best if you'd not push the image. C would be best for overall filmlook. A would be great if you could manage details a bit better/cut the glow. D isn't for your average purposes, but surely has its use.

Other ideas. Ginirigs. Kamerar. ProAIM / Cinecity / Camtree perhaps.

But for the times you don't swing around your camera, it would be nice to just have stabilized footage whilst being fairly stationary. I mean, what is the use of a small camera with a small lens, if you go and put it on a stabilizer? You shouldn't be needing a stabilizer to get footage that's not handheld shaky... you get a stabilizer to get fluid motion when roaming around. I agree though. From what I've seen the E-M5II is only impressive at times... it has a tendency to go really warpy and flippy on you once you start to push it. If you're run 'n gunning, there's no 'ah, this 6th take was perfect, let's move on to the next scene'. You miss the moment, or don't get it right the first time, it might be gone forever... Then there's the hybrid shooter such as myself that would love in-body stabilization for stills as well. So... I'll just repeat my wish for the GX8 that manages to get it just right. I do prefer Olympus glass to Panasonic. I don't mind full manual lenses (with or without adapters), but some native electronic controlled lenses are very welcome too.

Now those Olympus PRO f/2.8 7-14mm, 12-40mm and 40-150mm... they would make an awesome trio (perhaps just not very budget friendly). But first... Panasonic has to give me the GX8 that does in-body stabilization during video recording. An E-M5II if you will, but then done the Panasonic way...

Might as well take up on me own advice and give the Lilliput 663/O/P2 a go. It's €309 over here: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00IUAZGNI . Comes in a neat little case with some accessories. Built is metal, not some flimsy plastic. And then of course there's the functionality. There's nothing quite like it at the price point... (Full .pdf at http://www.lilliput.de/pdf/663-2014-web.pdf ) Might still be too expensive, maybe overkill as well for some... but on the bang-for-buck scale to me this really scores points. I do believe that extra bit of dosh will pay itself back... what you have to ask yourself I think is: do I want a secondary screen (noun) or do I quite literally want to monitor (verb) what I'm doing? If you're looking into a monitor, do not neccessarily need an external recorder or something a bit smaller than 7", then this seems to be pretty sweet. I'll report back returning from my holidays once it has come in. ​Tomtop is a pretty big player and they're all over eBay and AliExpress with multiple stores as well. I've done a fair share of business with them, always went fine. But when packages get a little bigger, heavier and more expensive, there's an increase of risk that it won't fly under the radar... customs might pick up on that and charge you import duties. So then cheap becomes not so cheap anymore... Just a thing to keep in mind. There's always the thing with the declaring of lower values and as 'gift', something these kind of shops tend to put on, but that's not how the system's supposed to work and customs will probably see through that. So beware. But there's loads of stuff you can get from China, if you need some help filtering through the masses, there are sites such as http://finddealsfor.me and http://chinaprices.us to make life a little easier. Don't forget to check a site like http://www.retailmenot.com for discount coupons. There's one site in particular that has loads of photography stuff: http://www.linkdelight.com , just like Tomtop, you might find 'em on eBay and AliExpress with multiple stores as well. One of my favourite stores that has one can be found here: http://www.banggood.com/Aputure-V-Screen-VS-2-Smart-HDMI-7-Inch-LCD-Field-Adv-Video-Monitor-p-950922.html . If you want to go with the Aputure VS-2 and are set to get it from China (taking your chances on import duties), that would be the way to do it. Use coupon ' b185f7 ' on checkout for a 9.99 USD off (Grand Total: US$189.90/€178.00).

I saw him the other day... ... on a milk carton.

​For that, have a look at http://geizhals.eu/?fs=aputure+vs&in= and eBay, I'd say. Perhaps http://aliexpress.com has some cheap offering.

I was looking at the same thing. That is: something for the GH4/BMPCC (perhaps BMMCC/BMMSC). Figured the way to go probably would be the Lilliput 663/O/P2 for the most complete 'cheap' monitor (incl. histogram, waveforms, vectorscope, etc). Up from that the Blackmagic Video Assist as a nice external recorder and monitor combined. But I'm still not sure what the monitoring features specifcally entail. Then the Videodevices PIX-E5H 4K recorder/monitor with PIX-LR XLR audio interface as the crème de la crème solution, with a premium price tag (still believe it's better value compared to a SmallHD 502 + Sidefinder that doesn't record, or Atomos Shogun / Convergent Design Odyssey Q7+ that do record but have the thing of price, size, storage, mainly). But yeah, for the entry level... really budget price, Aputure seems to take it away (their LED units are awesome value too). There have been mutiple threads about this subject ( most recently here and here ). Apparently the Feelworlds aren't that bad either. But I kinda feel like paying a bit more might really get you something quite a bit more useful. Depends on what you do with it and how it would add to your style of shooting. So you have to do some soul searching... still working on that myself. Perhaps by the time the Video Assist is availlable I might finally have an actual need for one.

Yeah, if you don't need a more elaborate optical range than that, have no need to push it beyond ISO1250, don't mind the lacking audio interface, vari-angle screen (remember wanting to use it at low angles?) and Cinelike profiles, the LX100 might be the camera of choice. If you don't mind the smaller sensor, the FZ1000 gives you mic-in, vari-angle screen, Cinelike profiles and that more useful range optically. Might look a little more videoey though. From what I'm picking up, you already have let go the idea of the A7S. So... that indeed would leave the GH4 perhaps. Which is pretty great if you use a speedbooster or just some fast glass in general. It does pretty much everything in a pretty awesome way... hopefully VLOG will roll out soon too. You might not really like the colors, but that might just be a thing of proper color correction and grading. Of course, it kinda suffers at the lowlight end of things. Perhaps you can ETTR your way out of that and it's just as useful up to ISO1600 as the NX1. The NX1. Nice. But personally I believe the M43 has a bit more flexibility, especially if you also want some native electronic glass in front of your camera. And if you want that glass to be small and light. And if you want to have the most choice (also budgetwise). Same problem I have with the A7S. Really comes down to personal preference though. Too bad you're set on 4K. Indeed the A6000 (I believe it should perform similar to the next two I'll mention?), although perhaps also the D5300/D5500 would appear to be sweet choices what lowlight concerned. Perhaps, if you really care for a more hybrid approach of stills and video... the Nikon D750 might be king of the hill. Awesome for stills, very good at video, especially lowlight. Superb colors too. Little expensive, but I believe with a flexible kitlens it still fits your budget. If you spend 700 more, there's even the D750 in a filmmaker's kit. But then the question becomes... how travel friendly does it needs to be (but then again, you seem to be willing to carry two cameras with you)?

Silly idea... FZ1000 (4K super travel friendly flexible allrounder mini-GH4) + A7S (lowlight hog, fullframe, APS-C, 4K externally as future upgrade for it when you can get a recorder).

I strongly advice against that.

Yeah, I probably have way too serious glass for what I'm doing, but I like the choices. Instead of having tons of the same focal length for the sake of having more lenses, I actually group 'em by character and do my research before I get one. They have to have proven themselves, I'm not up for testing thousands of lenses all by myself. I don't have time for that; who does? So I'm not just gonna hunt for cheap vintage lenses on eBay, local online marketplaces or thrift shops and then just hope for the best. So in the end you create different sets, based on their character. So for example you have your crazy Russians (HELIOS 44M-4 58mm f/2, MIR-1B 37mm f/2.8, INDUSTAR-61 L/Z 50mm f/2.8, INDUSTAR-50-2 50mm f/3.5, JUPITER-9 85mm f/2 & TAIR-11A 135mm f/2.8), your trusty Nikons (Nikkor 28-70mm f/2.8D, 80-200 f/2.8D & AI-s 28mm f2.8), some modern APS-C ones (like the Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 II, Sigma ART 18-35mm f/1.8 and Walimex Pro 8mm f/3.5) and yes, you can choose either dummy adapter or focal reducer/lens turbo/speedbooster according your intentions. Then there's your native electronic mount glass (which not so much for their character, but perhaps above all a choice of convenience and travelling compact. So: the Panasonic 14mm f/2.5 and 20mm f/1.7 pancakes, the 30mm f/2.8 OIS, 42.5mm f/1.7 OIS, 14-140mm, 100-300mm, Olympus 45mm f/1.8, 60mm f/2.8, 14-40mm f/2.8, Sigma EX DN 19mm f/2.8 and 30mm f/2.8) or M43 mount fully manual (cine) lenses (ZY Optics/Zhongyi 24mm f/1.7 & 42.5mm f/1.2, SLR Magic 25mm T0.95, Veydra 16mm, 25mm, 35mm, 50mm T2.2's). Then sure you'll wind up with a couple of oddball lenses, such as the Pentax-M SMC Asahi 50mm f/1.4, a bunch of Minoltas, Vivitars or the Tokina RMC 28-85mm f/4. But they all give off a certain character that sets them apart. So... if you're going to shoot something, you're not asking yourself 'which of the 50's?'. You decide the mood you want to set, then pick a focal length and character accordingly. The choice becomes obvious. There's no real reason for two identical focal length lenses if they give off the same character though. Unless you have an additional camera to shoot on or the operation of one is better than the other (but then again, just lose one).

I do have a 25mm f/1.4 C-mount, but it looks very different than the one you're showing here. Also, mine isn't sharp at all and the minimum focus distance isn't great. The Fujian 35mm f/1.7 I got before that I liked a whole lot better. The 50mm f/1.4 is so-so. But... they do have some crazy apertures going on and there are some milky flares and swirly bokeh going on. Could be a thing you'd want to go for... some weird artsy vibe, but to be honest, I've only used 'em on the GH2 in EX-TELE mode. Nowadays, if I want more character I'd actually rather use vintage lenses or perhaps one of the Zhongyi ones. ​I was wondering about these... ​Not C-mount cheap, but 1.2 cine lenses for s16 at Rokinon VDSLR prices it seems. Nice 'n wide too. Not sure if that would work though.

​Yeah! I've got the same. It's my secondary tripod, to my Sirui N-2004. Not really digging the clasp lock tripods. I like the twist lock kind that are collapsable to quite the compact size. Make a cool combo...

​Sirui makes some great stuff. Really like the N-2004 legs I've got. Great bang for buck. On top of it, like many others, I've got the WF-717AH which actually I found out about when it got mentioned here back in the day: http://www.gh1-hack.info/wiki/ShootingMoviesWithHackOnVeryTightBudget .

Agreed. Makes sense. And then personally I'd love to see something for the minimalistic run-n-gunner. What could Panasonic do with a concept like the Olympus E-M5II. Highlights should therefor include: sensor stabilization during video recording, high bitrate recordings with 24, 25, 30, 50 and 60p options, a vari-angle touchscreen, audio I/O (or mic-in on the body and a battery grip headphone jack) and a nicely layed out double dial (thumb/index). (Yes, 4K would be awesome, but not a must. I'd rather take 1080p and V-LOG than 4K and then having to lose features in order to still being able to sell the G and GH lines) And please, for the love of god, do not co-locate the SD-slot at the battery compartment. Anyways. The GX8 has already been put through Wi-Fi certification, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

​I like your reasoning and even agree to a certain degree, however, I think that does apply largely to these fullframish video-centric cameras, not so much hybrid cameras from the M43 range. And even so, you can't deny that there's a market for small powerhouses that do video, so it just has to be addressed in order to give you numerous options to choose from. I'm for one glad that M43 is so small. The reason I'm less likely to get a 5DIV or even A7S is because of the lenses you want to throw in front of it. Little use of having a fullframe camera and then not using the full frame. So you have to throw big glass in front of it. And then instantly you're already starting to get a lot of people uncomfortable... if you're already going in that direction, like you said, you might as well just use a camera that's actually even bigger, since that's not the part that will make the most difference in your set-up being compact. Personally I love that I can use a BMPCC or GH4 with just a pancake, but then the next day put a cage, rods, follow focus on it and put it on some sticks. And then there's the aerial footage side of things. To me the M43 system is the ultimate freedom to go about every moment differently using the same core.

​No problemo. Usually there's no deleting on forums. On the one hand I guess it's to prevent people to take back what they've said and regret later after a shitstorm has broken out about it (someone in a perhaps weak, in the heat of the moment sorta way saying something hurtful, or hasn't really looked into to the matter and states something that is false)... or atleast when people then make their comment into a blank canvas and there aren't any quotes to indicate what has regrettably been said, people will know that probably something fishy must've been going on there (so, if it's a technical reason, better just state a reason for blanking your comment, so people won't start wondering what shocking things you might've said ). Then there's probably a technical reason... every post is an entry. A topic has x many replies to it. It's statistics. But also, system backend probably... if someone has replied to you, or linked to your post earlier, there was an ID attached. This can't just be resetted as if the entry was never there, from system logic the entry has to exist. P.S. To keep from flood posting. Just go to edit, click on any text in the comment, then CTRL+A selects all, then DEL or BACKSPACE. Then proceed to try out something different that you were trying to post in the old comment, instead of saving a whole new one.

​Just edit the comment and put in a reason such as '< double - cleared comment >'. Alternatively you can just put in a '.' probably (but I'd say it makes more sense to have an explanation there). As for the vimeo link. Don't add the '/description' from the vimeo.com/videoidhere link. Just paste the link (in this case https //vimeo com/128190201 (changed for proper display, but you get the idea)) and click away or press enter to activate it, wait a second, it automatically loads up an embed. Then just post/save. Like so:

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Deejay did a bit on that: http://www.dslrfilmnoob.com/2013/12/08/viltrox-dc-50-hdmi-monitor-review-w-side-side-sony-clm-v55-comparison/