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I was about to post that last night, but figured it was probably best not feeding the troll...

Whut. No more entry level does-it-all-quite-well sub 1000 bucks cam like the G80/85? I mean, that was already an up from the G7 both in price, but as well capability, but to leave that segment to the GX-range alone, seems a little... strange. The gap between that and a G9 is quite big... and apparently they don't have a problem with diversifying their line-up, so they really think they can push people towards a G9 like that? Hum...

It's a very subtle but important improvement though. Kai dismissed seeing it by shooting an outdoor scene with somewhat of a grey cloudy day with little contrast in it. Well... that's not really much to go on. But from other stuff I've seen it does seem to look more into the shadow areas and you don't just get a solid white sky anymore when it clips, it gradually smoothens out and of course still clips if not protected well enough. DR is no excuse to get sloppy, now. Of course now at the higher ISOs it keeps much better DR and color accuracy as well as better noise control and such. Is it 16 stops? Of which 14 usable? Well... probably not. Is it 10-11 stops? Well, how about we just call it 12-13 then? Think that would still make a lot of us happy. Maybe Tom Antos will do one of them tests again.

Really, if anyone comes out with a stills camera without sensor stabilization it will be a huge miss. Because that's one of the main advantages of mirrorless innovation right now over flagship DSLR capabilities. Worth so much for primes or allowing slower shutter times to expose the scene properly without compromising on depth of field or high ISO noise. Olympus had that bang on with the introduction of the OM-D E-M1 and Fujifilm and EOS-M really need to follow as well with their next release.

Of course he would say that. He also says he'd use the top of the ISO range without much hesitation. He's still one of the most prominent spokepersons on behalf of Panasonic. Now... he's always been very real with us, that much is true. But they've also rather been hush hush about weaknesses and more about what others don't that they actually do, that's just healthy company policy. Atleast he knows he can't deny C-AF still has a bit of a way to go.

'Along the lines' = not the exact very same in that case (although e.g. the 25mm f/1.8 is actually 1:1 OEM). So along the lines of a scaled up Kamlan 50mm f/1.1. Probably from the same factory and chances are one existed already (perhaps in some other mount, by an undiscovered brand; weird to out of the blue go for one M-mount lens anyways). Neways, same kind of vibe. Quirky and character for cheap Chinese prices, which is fine if you're into it. Kind of what the Russians have been doing/are doing as well. This is on the opposite spectrum side compared to OTUS and Art stuff.

@cantsin I think it's pretty fair to think of those along the lines of them APS-C covering C-mount lenses we've been seeing before (a post about emerging Chinese brands earlier last year here). Just for some reason when 7Artisans came out (which seems to be a brand that takes different existing lenses and rebrands them to sell 'em under one roof, that's why their housing designs aren't consistent at all), rumor sites and YouTube channels started pumping out coverage like crazy, so they're the latest hype. Wouldn't really argue that they're a good bang for buck, but... you might've gotten in, but you're still not really sitting front row for a penny of course. I think it's primarily a nice option for starters. When I started out in the interchangeable lens system realm with the GH2 one of the first things was getting my hand on cheap vintage Minolta and Pentax glass as well as e.g. that ultracheap Fujian 35mm C-mount on eBay (not too shabby; as well similar looking 25mm (terrible) and 50mm (ok-ish)). Think for people in a similar position, that perhaps can only afford a Panasonic G7, that might be great to start with on the cheap. And some of these C-mount lenses weren't really usable as anything but a toy lens ('character'), where others would actually give you quite usable results in some conditions. So... I'd say they're probably usable and alright value. But if you're already well-equipped or have got the money... I wouldn't easily be swayed by the price and specs on paper. My 2 satoshis.

Yeah, what would be interesting to see is how it would compare wide open against a pinched 75mm f/1.8 or Nocti 42.5mm f/1.2 set to f/2.8. Or price wise how it could keep up or beat say the Olympus 60mm f/2.8 or Panaleica 45mm f/2.8. Concerning the footprint... a Panasonic 42.5mm f/1.7 or Olympus 45mm f/1.8 should be around that same mark I believe. Not sure about that smooth finish, but that might well be a thing that looks more iffy than it really is.

I had the 19 & 30mm f/2.8 EX DN versions from that line that later got rehoused (and became 'A' (Art) tagged) to that DN housing the 60mm has (which I wasn't a fan of - it has a completely smooth finish; no grip on the focus ring). Optically stellar for the price. Which was around 100 bucks each. Mechanically... not so great, quite plasticky and rattling. Think Steve Huff called one of these 'bang for buck of the year' once.

I share that. That's why when I had the option to go GH2 or 600D/T3i, I went with the GH2. The lenses offered in the MFT scene are plentiful and compact. That means more than any compactness to the body to me. That's why I don't mind the GH5 or G9. Nice 'n grippy, balances out well with quality lenses. Really have no need for something as small and compromised as the A6500 (without healthy APS-C developed lens line-up) tbh. Love to have Nikon take the right direction with that, but isn't very likely (to be APS-C).

Yeah, if the MAR sensor is oversized for the image circle, the 4:3 AR crop would take the same dimensions as the full GH5 sensor that edges the image circle, no? The advantage really goes to 1:1, 3:2 and 16:9 ARs that get cropped from the image circle rather than from the sensor.

Well, this is the image they posted on their article, which kinda looks suspicious (doubt the article image actually reflects proper test result). And this is the one in the database for the GH5: Here a comparison on DPReview: https://***URL removed***/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=panasonic_dcgh5&attr13_1=panasonic_dcgh5s&attr13_2=sony_a6500&attr13_3=sony_a7sii&attr15_0=jpeg&attr15_1=jpeg&attr15_2=jpeg&attr15_3=jpeg&attr16_0=400&attr16_1=400&attr16_2=400&attr16_3=400&normalization=full&widget=1&x=0&y=0 Here you can compare some still life shots: http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM

Yeah, they were actual lenses, though it always looked as if it was an existing Veydra lens with a huge adapter on its front, tbh, so wouldn't be too surprised if this was actually the case. I remember some interview (on YouTube?) where he mentioned that designing for a specific sensor size, might render it not to be compatible with new sensor implementations in the future. The GH4 anamorphic mode after all, was sort of a bit of a happy accident that they've implemented after the fact. Can't find for the life of me where he said that, so maybe I just dreamt that. Some vivid dream then, though. @Brian Caldwell Now, that is very very nice! Guess for now there's the http://anamorphicshop.com/product/fm-lens/ and have seen Richard Gale working on his project of the Oliviascope. Think all these have in common that they're quite bulky and need more elaborate set-ups with rails. Seems there's no way around that.

Doubt it. Probably D5600 form factor regardless of FF or APS-C. Because, that's what Nikon users like. They'll start out with 0 lenses. Well, probably a 18-55 not so sensitive (like f/3.5-5.6), maybe a 16-35 sensitive (f/2.8(-4)), then perhaps a 35 and 50mm prime (f/1.8, the 50mm perhaps as f/1.4) that are native to the mirrorless game and more compact than anything they've come out with before. But mainly people are initially going to want to use their existing lenses, which Nikon will provide a smart adapter for (like Sony has done for Sony Alpha lenses and Canon for the EOS-M). So... myself, for example, my lenses include the Nikon mount 18-55mm II, 35mm f/1.8 DX, AF(-S) Nikkor ED 17-35mm f/2.8 D, 28-70mm f/2.8 D, 80-200mm f/2.8 D, 28mm f/2.8 AI-s MF & 35-70mm f/3.5 AI-s, Tokina AT-X PRO DX 11-16mm f/2.8 II, AT-X PRO FX 16-28mm f/2.8, AT-X 535 PRO DX 50-135mm f/2.8 & AT-X PRO II 28-70mm f/2.6-2.8, Walimex Pro 8mm f/3.5 II fisheye & 24mm f/3.5 Tilt-Shift and then Sigma ART 18-35mm f/1.8 of course. Those are not the kind of lenses you pair up with a cute tiny little camera with poor ergonomics... ... plus we've seen what happens if you make a compact body the headline selling point... ergos are poor, hardware interface is limited... no dual cardslots, no dedicated headphone jack, quite bad battery life, they've once mentioned that they didn't want a vari-angle screen on there, because it would make for a bulkier design... space is so tight it isn't able to dissipate heat properly, so the screen dims, overheat protection kicks in, or with a raised threshold for it to do so leaving the camera so unfomfortably hot that they call it 'tripod' mode. Suboptimal chip infrastructure, mad rolling shutter, etc. Do you really think that Nikon, that makes pretty rugged workhorse cameras, will stand for that? Especially with hardly to no development of a dedicated compact lens line-up, it's just useless. So, expect and sure hope not. I'm very pro GH5, E-M1 Mark II, NX1 and X-T2 style and size bodies and very against what Sony is doing. Now with the A9/A7RIII it seems they're starting to realize this too, though, so maybe things are looking up from here on out.

Would love to see a Metabones single focus anamorphic adapter in one way or another. Veydra had looked into it, but weren't sure where Panasonic would go with the next gen sensor specs.

Their first will probably be like the Sony A7. But I'd consider a 2nd or 3rd gen. Although, they're probably going after fullframe, so... that's really not my space, actually. Doubt they'll go for an APS-C line-up. But I'd actually be up for something along the lines of a D5600 but rather than DSLR, of course in a mirrorless package, including sensor stabilization and full readout 4K, plus mic-in/headphone interface. Time will tell I guess. For now I'm sticking with MFT.

Yup. Is pretty old news. Latest mention of that was back in september in this very topic.

So, these people that can tell motion cadence... is it better without IBIS in regards to that?

But... that's exactly why there are step up rings... You can get a set of them pretty cheaply. There must be one amongst those that will fit. Then place a sticker on the lens with the filter thread size for when you're using it next time. A clamp idea probably works too, you could even make one yourself, you just buy an attachment tube with filter ring for a compact camera and drill some holes in the base (or if there already are some, you might need bigger screws)... I 'm just not sure why you would though. Again, step up rings are there to negate said problem.

Yeah, I had one Beck 135mm f/2.8 I believe with a stuck aperture and one time a Tokina with fungal flakes. But they didn't want it back either, so got financially compensated for the biggest part. Oh well. Well, if you're up for it, go play Victor Frankenstein and have a go at it. What it does, it doesn't seem to do half bad. Looks noice. Good luck.

Yeah, it's pretty pincushioney. And it does weird things when it autofocuses, like you get some very weird noise which you don't get back on the display. Otherwise, yeah, it doesn't quite live up to the features of the GH5... but, I like the idea of having it as dedicated and very capable stills cam and still shoots nice, albeit a bit restricted video... most importantly: with up to 6.5 stops of IBIS... to compliment the more cinema style GH5S, that's used in more of a production manner.

Did you ever try the Tiffen Smoque? Well, of course you won't get those sexy light streaks, so much is true.

Wasn't the 12-35mm original regarded better than the new one (except for the cosmetic changes and lack of dual I.S.2 which doesn't matter paired with the GH5S anyways)? Subtle difference, but the Leica is a f/2.8-4, btw.

Yeah, so basically the GH5S is a small penis. But it's not the size... it's what you do with it, right?