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I think that gained a lot of popularity about 6 years ago, after Knoptop's video: Channels like that used to be the shit. Everyone was just hacking their GH2's, using Magic Lantern, building rigs from pvc and L-brackets... remember those days on FilmRiot (when they were with Revision3)? Or moving your tripod along? Come to think of it, man, haven't heard of 'TheFrugalFilmmaker' in forever. Then in 2012 ( https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/microfacturing/lens-focus-shifter-lens-mounted-follow-focus/ ) came the more practical FocusShifter: http://focusshifter.com/follow-focus-dslr/ . There's more interesting stuff coming from crowdfunding, like when 2015 the Parrot teleprompter campaign launched... https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/957253584/the-parrot-a-compact-teleprompter-for-dslr-cameras / https://www.parrotteleprompter.com/ . Class leading ND filters from Breakthrough Photography: https://www.kickstarter.com/profile/breakthrough/created / https://breakthrough.photography/ or the project Instamic: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/instamic-the-smartest-microphone-ready-to-record-video-music/x/9727099#/ for example.

I've seen quite a few pop up on eBay over the years. The best ones seem to have been lying around in Russia/Ukraine/Belarus/Poland for a while, before someone decides to sell 'em. So make sure sure to look internationally, not just EU/UK/US.

I've always been interested in these: http://shop.zenit-foto.ru/view/category/virtuemart_category_id/59 (which are the more expensive: http://www.lumatech.tv/S16 mainpage.html ). Some listings on eBay still: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=optar+illumina&_sacat=0 (though, I'd probably get some Russian friends to buy me some there cheaper (37774 RUB ~> 635 USD) and bring 'em over). One eBay listing mentions: 'Will cover BMPCC Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera sensor and cameras like Digital Bolex, Aaton A-Minima, Red One, SI-2K, Ikonoskop A-Cam DII, Panasonic GH4! 50mm will cover Blackmagic Cinema Camera 2.5k! 50mm and 25mm will cover Panasonic GH4 in 4k mode and FHD mode without viegnetting! In FHD+2x extender mode 9.5mm--50mm lenses covers without viegnetting (havent tested 8mm)!'. - One of these eBay sellers for the Optars, also has the Zeiss Tevidon 10mm f/2, mentions use for M4/3 mount cameras, doesn't really say anything in terms of image circle and vignetting. Might be able to inquire there though: http://www.ebay.com/itm/TEVIDON-10mm-f-2-9748-Carl-Zeiss-Lens-micro-4-3-MFT-Mount-BMPCC-BlackMagic-GH3-/371811665283 . -- used to be a thread on here for C-mounts compatibility with the BMPCC if that's of any interest:

If you want to go that route, Tokina has been sporting a versatile line-up as well; people have been combining 'em with Panasonics since the GH2 (it used to be one of the few ways to go really wide, mounting the 11-16mm f/2.8 on a focal reducer... nice for glidecam schtuff). Before the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8, that Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 was the go-to combo (and has become a Cinema ATX option as well: http://www.tokinacinema.com/11-16mmT3.html , $999 on B&H now). Quick overview of bright APS-C zooms in Canon mount: https://geizhals.eu/?cmp=1375683&cmp=1235276&cmp=934581&cmp=814123&cmp=511048&cmp=459597&cmp=219029&cmp=189159 . The Tamron f/2.8 zooms used to always be the go-to choice for T2i/550D shooters. The Sigma of course indeed sounds practical, with its optical stabilization and affordability.

Well... physics and schtuff. You want one thing? Ya can't have the other. Such is life. Alternatively people pick up a Panasonic 12-35mm f/2.8. Of course it's a trade-off. You win some... you lose some. The Sigma just combines stellar quality with crazy sensitivity in its zoomrange... but to allow it to perform like that, it has to be big 'n heavy and unfortunately that means the smaller you want to go, the more you'll have to sacrifice. What I imagine they could do is reduce the range... like a MFT 12-24mm f/2 with both fair quality and decent dimensions/weight should be possible? But then you sorta get to a range that's not flexible enough for most people... and you might just go and use primes faster than f/2.8 already...

Ooh, sounds nice. Thanks, appreciated. I've got the 50 myself as well, great for portrait stuff and nice boosted on m4/3 still, just think the 35mm makes for a better allrounder and something to compliment the 50 in general, staying on the same look palette. Just wasn't sure about Summicron VS Elmarit, there's quite the gap in price for that additional 0.8. The 'Leica' branded 50 f/2 can occassionally be found for less than 500 EUR, while the 35 f/2 Leica is hard to find below a 1000. Of course a cheaper Leitz would be the way to go then. Must be sweet to have a set like that. Noice going!

TRM, your signature mentiones Leica R primes, do you happen to have some insight on either 35mm f/2 Summicron or f/2.8 Elmarit?

From what I've seen online it's: Metabones > Zhongyi > R.J. (Jinrong) > BAVEyes (Kipon & IB/E Optics, Bayern (Bavaria -> BAV) (Handevision brand, remember that overpriced underperforming 40mm f/0.85? The BAVEyes seems to have been struggeling with sharpness issues, especially away from the center, chromatic abberation, etc. Not sure if this was addressed in later additions like the Kipon MF to FF) > brandless (and re-brands of the same one, like sold at the Roxsen eBay store). Like, if you don't want to spend the premium on a Metabones, get the Zhongyi Lens Turbo (latest version), which is superb value. Surely all manual though. Of course, if you need electronics it's a little different, probably doesn't get much better than the Metabones. Aputure has the EF DEC LensRegain as well. Aside from these two, personally I'd think I'd kinda forget about it what electronic focal reducers concerned? Would be interesting to hear some (debunking) other 2cts of course.

Well, on a real note tho... I was wondering if this was going to influence the Chinese market (there's tons of brands, aside from the more established ones like Xiaomi, Meizu, ZTE, etc, there's a more budget friendly popular scene with phones from the likes of Elephone, UMIDigi, Ulefone, Vernee, etc.) and it seems the first one has already popped up... https://www.gizmochina.com/2017/07/14/elephone-p8-3d-works-promises-unprecedented-3d-experience/

Problem with keeping the mount on an APS-C body is that there'd be no room for a focal reducer anymore... so I certainly would hope not, but I can imagine that could be the case... we'll see, for now the rumors mention fullframe, nothing APS-C I believe... of course, then theres other rumors about Fujifilm releasing something video centered... guess wait 'n watch it unfold is the key here. In meanwhile I'm still keeping an eye out for a good deal on a GH5+12-35mm f/2.8 II kit or E-M1 Mark II perhaps. Though, no rush, GX80/G80 are serving their purpose well as a welcome change to the GH4. And I might even need to follow your approach; slowly sell off all the stuff I have lying around to make that future leap to something APS-C, whatever that will turn out to be.

Maybe go to the Heineken museum. Though, in all honesty, if you get the chance, drink Hertog Jan, Grolsch, Amstel etc instead. xD APS-C would allow easy adaptation of DX lenses as well and stuff like the Tokina 11-16mm and Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 would be native to it as well. Like you said, a focal reducer in between and you're set to still get fullframe coverage out of your F-mount lenses. Like, I don't want to waste a fullframe sensor and only use a S35 crop out of it... in meanwhile paying the premium. I don't mind rigging up my camera with cage, rods, follow focus, etc and throw it on some sticks with one of the 'Bourne' lenses on there, I've got the Nikkor ED 17-35, 28-70 & 80-200mm f/2.8 D lenses, but they are big 'n bulky and I'm speedboosting those now anyways. Seriously needs the appropriate occassion to throw 'em on. For me it's just about the up from 4/3" sensor performance to APS-C, which gets you quite a bit better dynamic range, lowlight high-ISO performance and richer colors. I notice the lack of performance from the somewhat tiny 4/3" sensor, but APS-C I'd be more than happy with. For me, no need for fullframe, but it's nice to have a option to use a focal reducer. And otherwise I just love compact mirrorless cameras with sensor stabilization that also have compact lenses. A 35mm f/1.8 DX lens goes a long way. If they bring a smart adapter, they can immediately benefit from a native line-up to the sensor size. Sony hasn't been developping any consumer level APS-C lenses for like 3 years now (they've only released a few big 'n expensive cine/ENG-style zooms), it's like the entry level to get into their fullframe system... but for the people without the fullframe money quite yet. They're seducted to buy the tiny A6x00 camera and throw on fullframe lenses they can later throw on their A7-line-up camera. For me it would be nice if Nikon would develop an even more compact (than DX) mirrorless APS-C line-up (after all flange distance is shorter)... like Canon is doing with EOS-M. Actually, they might just ask Samsung if they can copy their line-up. That 16-50mm f/2-2.8 S lens and those primes look like the exact sorta thing you want in your mirrorless APS-C line-up! Of course, they could pull a Sony and do just that. An APS-C camera for the fullframe wannabees and a fullframe one/fullframe ones that they'd really be pushing. Just... to me, it makes more sense to make a D5600 mirrorless than it is a D810. But maybe that's just me.

Well, what does a D7500 compare to... a Canon 80D? And how are they doing again in comparison? You want to talk smack, have a go at Canon. Nikon might be a little traditional and late to the party, that's because they're like parents: oldschool and need a while to catch up to the new age things. Once they do, they actually try to implement that shit. Really doesn't make that much sense to compare a system or camera based on a few little numbers on DxOMark if you're asking me. Hopefully Nikon is going to get into mirrorless APS-C. A camera like my D5300 is great on a sensor and results level, but I just hate the friggin' flippin' mirror that clacks around taking stills in liveview and it doesn't have any of the mirrorless bells 'n whistles either for any type of shooting. From what I gathered it seems they might be aiming at a mirrorless camera that is fullframe. Shame, because mirrorless allows for downsizing and while I like the occassional 35mm image circle throwing glass, it's also nice to have more compact options and APS-C/S35 gives you just that without sacrificing too much performance. And let's not forget, there's still focal reducers to get you back to FF should that be your thing. Lenses really define the compactness of a system, not so much the body. That's why Sony would've been better off having a mirrorless APS-C camera that's more like a A7-series camera than an A6x00-series one. Not that their APS-C line-up is alive and kicking, but atleast they'd have the literal room for improvements that plagues their too crammed full A6x00 bodies. Wish Nikon would go the Fujifilm route. The X-T2 is such a dope camera, a camera like that with a few tweaks (I'm talking sensor stabilization, I'm talking frontfacing touchscreen, I'm talking headphone port on the body itself and all that Gucci fuego) could suck up the whole MFT market and former traditional DSLR shooters.

I'm Dutch, but moved to Austria for my job, so I can only sorta describe what I see happening around Vienna. And it's not all 2nd hand/analog. Most stores I go to where there main focus isn't vintage/2nd hand stuff, generally don't really have anything 2nd hand. A couple do... but it's like a Panasonic G7 trade-in from someone upgrading for example. Seems people in general still find appreciation for more serious photography and service. Though I tried to find a camera store in Salzburg once and that was a tough one to crack. But I'm kinda surprised that Berlin and Vienna would differ that much, thought Germany would have a similar market. They have all the Zeiss Jena DDR rich vintage history shizzle of course. Leica, Leitz, Wetzlar, Meyer-Optik Görlitz, etc. Makes it hard for me to believe that there's more care for that here than there. Like, I'd think VW/Porsche/Mercedes/BMW has more relative marketshare in Germany than abroad as well. And Berlin has the Berlinale, Vienna the Viennale, both pretty creative spots with people into the arts. Don't know, I was there in '08 for a few months and didn't get the feeling that the crowd was on a different page or different chapter, always thought they weren't too far off from one another. But of course times change and different parts develop differently under different influences. I think modernization and the youth (and adapting oldtimers) might be affecting these changes the most. Who knows, maybe next time I'm in Tokyo again, there won't be a Yodobashi anymore. :P Not very up-to-date with what's what in The Netherlands. Always felt Kamera Express, FOKA, CameraTools (bought my GH4 there), CameraNU, Foto Konijnenberg and Cameraland were the bigger players (always checked up to compare prices, I'm still in NL about every other month). Ah, Foto Klein, that was such an institution. Then again, they were big when Videoland was still a thing and you'd rent VHS tapes, hadn't heard of 'em in a while. We used to go there to develop our rolls, before that was a thing you did at the drugstore. Oh, the memories. Well, I guess nothing really lasts forever. Back to history... its actually... 'Founded 1756; 261 years ago in Vienna, Archduchy of Austria' (~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voigtländer), when you're really talking 'origin stories'. :P There's also some interesting Viennese history concerning Petval: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Petzval . Vienna... rich city... rich history. I remember a Leica went on auction here for a record price: http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2012/5/vintage-leica-becomes-most-expensive-camera-after-fetching-28million-at-auction-41794/ , true that.

In The Netherlands not too long ago they had a show translated called 'The perfect picture' that stretched over a couple of weeks where Dutch celebs were fighting through rounds of professional shoots eliminating one after another and where the final remaining two were given the oppertunity to shoot wildlife in Africa. The winner would get a publication in the National Geographic. The whole thing was sponsored by Canon and judged by professionals, more on originality and storytelling than pixel peeping. A fashion model, used to her iPhone and shooting selfies, showed quite a bit creativity throughout. Though, ultimately a presentor (sport/news/talkshow/...) who operated a little more structured, with a plan, execution, technical know-how and 'everything for the shot' mentality to realize a vision, won the thing. Was pretty fun to follow. In meanwhile in Austria, where Voigtländer originated, home of modern day Lomography and hipster central, I think photography is still highly popular. There are numerous stores dedicated to photography, also elsewhere in Austria and they organize events and have social media presence etc, to keep people involved. These are very traditional people too (especially 40+), so they like their basics; change not as much. Don't think you'll find many wearing Snapchat Spectacles. I think in The Netherlands you'd be cool when you shoot stills on a Phase One (bigger = better, so much quality and functionality!). Here it would probably be a Leica (the most purist and lifestyle way to photography). Haven't seen any stores disappear, if anything, new ones popped up. Also stores like Mediamarkt still have a very much alive photography section, I'd say. What I think has gone noticably downhill is the action cam segment; guess everybody's over it by now. Think stores where you can check out the camera in person, get some superb opinions and insights are so important. At the same time, though, I can imagine a lot of people would even agree to that and pay them a visit, then say they're going to sleep on it and order it on Amazon when they get home for 50 bucks less... think that's the real problem, especially with youth. Don't mind too much if you do that to an electrogiant like Mediamarkt, where even I myself just go to check how a certain camera feels in the hands 'n stuff. The demo models are there and it's not like I need Mediamarkt expertise, because, let's be honest, we could probably educate them on a thing or two. But I've been to several camera stores across the country and they're really passionate people with cool stuff to tell, it would suck to see these people go out of a job. Think all of my cameras were picked up at a store. Especially with new models, I don't want to take my chances with a pre-order and just wait for actual stock. Camera stores around here are quicker than Amazon too for that matter. It's a bit rare for me to purchase a lens at a store though, mostly I'll do research and ordering online. Which might be another thing pushing camera stores out of business, the amount of online previews, hands-on, reviews, comparisons, it's an infinite resource well. So I'm 100% with Mr. Porsche, gt3rs, internet is making it easier and cheaper than ever. He's also spot on concerning the march of smartphones. When regarding the distinction between 'fun' and 'quality'... smartphones are just so easy for everyone to take shots with and the quality is getting better and better, meaning the gap between smartphone quality and that of dedicated camera devices is narrowing, making it less attractive to go and buy say a Canon 1300D with 18-55mm kit lens for a couple hundos. Also, because more and more we're not taking pictures to print or drop as our desktop background, where quality is quite important, but sharing it on social media instead where we're working with very limited pixel dimensions and shitty compression. Good lenses make a difference, but are also expensive. To get the best out of good lenses, you need good bodies, which are also expensive. A smartphone has limited sensor dimensions with more crop meaning tough to get shallow depth of field going on, focal range is very restricted and the performance is lacking in terms of lowlight highISO performance of course, as well as dynamic range and such. So, take a fullframe camera system with a bright lens and the results can be lightyears apart. Because of this, cameras like the A6500/X-T2, E-M1 Mark II/GH5 must even try harder... rendering them really expensive compared to previous generations, but also really exciting. They just have to keep bringing it to offset the advancements in smartphone photography. There the sensors are getting bigger, lenses brighter. dualcam is a thing now, apps for aquiring shots are far better than a couple of years ago. Zeiss, Leica, Hasselblad lending their names and expertise to smartphone brands. It's definitely over for the throw-away-film-camera equivalent compact camera. Like all those Canon IXUS models etc, about the only thing they have over a smartphone is optical zoom and even that is getting to be less and less of a reason. I love(d) my LX100, but now that I have my Huawei P10 Plus (Leica Dual Camera 2.0 Pro Edition w/ Summilux-H lenses) on the one hand... and the GX80 with Leica 15mm f/1.7 on the other, I don't have as much use for it as I used to to be honest. Less profit from cheaper models probably also means inflated prices for the higher-end ones. Bet the whole situation around cameras in general, the sum of all that's going on, makes it a 200 or 300 bucks more expensive than it would've been otherwise. That's literally and figuratively the price we need to pay to keep getting cameras we'd love to have.

Thought I'd throw this one into the mix: Again, if anyone spots nice pricing: sharing is caring.

1200e new? You mean, like... €1200? It's a 1999,- camera body. Do let us know where we can get one that cheap, lol. I mean, out with the E-M1 and in with the E-M1 Mark II in that case. I was sure it was going to budge half a year after availability, truth is far from it: https://geizhals.eu/?phist=1510914 . Not seen any freebie battery grip deals or anything either.

Good filters cost money. There have been quite a lot of threads on (v)ND filters, so it's not a bad idea to look back in EOSHD history. That said, I believe people really like the SLR Magic one. Otherwise, as people pointed out, get some non-variable/standard NDs in 77mm or 4x4. Breakthrough Photography are amongst the top in this area. Or if you really want budget, but not your typical Mediamarkt Hama or eBay Fotga sub-par schtuff, have a look at Zomei. The thing is not to use resin material, but actual glass and some of their filters use imported Schott glass that's also used in high-end expensive options. Yet, at a fraction of the cost. They have some stores on AliExpress and eBay.

So, it's a 5.7" smartphone/media device with a holographic 3D display. I mean, that's kinda cool. Unlike an iPhone it actually seems to have a 3.5mm headphone port integrated. :P Kinda like the rugged, grippy styling too. Looks like it has a camera. If it's not tech that doesn't even wow the public like a Panasonic CM1, DxO ONE or Kodak Ektra, it might actually be interesting. Modularity/expandability too. Of course Moto Z has for example a Hasselblad back availlable for it. If it shoots some RED mojo, maybe something like the Cinema4K app by @nokker was going for, it would be fun. As well of course just because this whole industry is booming. And well. Pr0n. Actually, 'no glasses' 'glassesless' etc 3D displays isn't that new. I was at a convention 3 years ago where they had tablets doing that. Around that time there were also tvs that did the same, there the main issue was that someone a little off from dead center, didn't properly see 3D. Seems nobody really bought into the gimmick as I've haven't seen any applications of this tech for a while now. Might be interesting to see how it's in 2017 2018, though, with all these other technologies around.

Canon needs someone like Kazuto Yamaki (CEO @ Sigma). Just someone who's genuinely passionate about photography, quality and the business in general. Some that knows his stuff. Maybe he should give Canon a masterclass on business management and integrity. If you want a great appreciation for Sigma, and how it's run, then watch these vids. Canon... go watch 'em too. Maybe the big guys over at Panasonic might pick up a thing or two as well, like in terms of presentation and coming across that you know your company and products through and through... though, without that we wouldn't have the priceless expression of Sean at 1:00. Atleast he gets the importance of 4K.

Isn't it the other way around? That you need to swap mounts on a lens or use adapters with glass when going from Canon mount lens to Nikon mount camera... but not from Nikon to Canon EF (a simple dummy adapter should do)? That's also the reason you can simply adapt like Contax Zeiss to a Canon mount camera (or Speedbooster taking mount for that matter), but not to a Nikon. If you don't want to work with adapters, that's a different thing altogether of course.

Filmmaking is not my bread 'n butter either, I'm just some choch with a bunch of camera gear, lol. Funny enough it's my actual job where I genuinely fell in love with video for the first time. Though, that has been more about capturing great moments and stunning sights. I'd say I'm a very visually oriented person, so capturing something that's just visually pleasing is quite satisfying for me already, but I'd really like to get more into proper narrative work and I think it must be awesome to find yourself in legit production environments. I would probably hate to have to shoot weddings (I did the obligatory one where you're the close friend with the sweet camera gear that gets asked xD) and work with stressful people and deadlines though, so I'm glad that for the moment I can just screw around in my own pace doing stuff that's just fun and creative to me. Over the years I've sucked up a ton of knowledge here and there and I've failed but also learned heaps and you guys (and girls) here have been a great inspiration for me to get out there and shoot stuff! Just, with a fulltime job, as buggz seems to know all too well, what filmmaking concerned it's nearly impossible to do anything of any real significance on the side. Though, at the same time I also can't see me flipping it to be doing filmmaking fulltime either... I mean, now filmmaking is still all fun, doing whatever whenever I feel like it (well, more like 'whenever I get the time to'), but I know that every job (even if you're a a celeb actor/rockstar, succesful entrepeneur or austronaut) in the end is just that: 'a job' and not 'a voluntary'. Sure there's epic fun sides to it, but every coin has its flipside... so for me it's probably best not haste to ditch a good thing and then find myself struggling for surival (I'm sure there's much more talented people out there that probably have been shooting since they were 11 years old, have mad skills and experience and have figured out how to market themselves and are experts on new media). Gotta say: never really grew up wanting to become a filmmaker either, I had other plans I've managed to realize in meanwhile, so it just never occured to me... but as this interest grew over the last few years... seems a shame not to do more with it? I mean, I love my job and it has been absolutely great and pays well enough that it has allowed me to purchase tons of gear (my lens collection especially might've gotten a little out of hand #teamoverkill), but it would be very awesome to go parttime and do some commercial/creative video work on the side, which looks like that might be happening first thing 2019, when after a good 10 years in Austria brushing up on German and devouring Sachertorte I'll be moving back to The Netherlands once again. Gotta do some inquiries concerning aerial video there, as that's a subject of interest as well, just Austria has been about the worst place to get into that (I think the 3DR Solo will have to wait forever for it to be exempted and allowed to get airborne here). Think the fix job (I'll commute to Vienna) with steady income combined with the freelance creative work will be a superb combo, I think I'll really appreciate the diversity. Now I just hope I can pull it off, so fingers crossed.

Olympus really surprised me with the E-M1 Mark II, I must say. They might've been early adopters of mirrorless, sensor stabilization and touchscreen, but the E-M1 felt very stills focused... it was almost as if they didn't want their flagship camera to be known for great video. So, they released the E-M5 Mark II which was supposed to redefine the E-M5 line-up to be for the video crowd, remember that press release with bold statements like that it was to shoot 'professional cinema quality movies' with, not even once mentioning the word 'video'. Well... people weren't all too into that. So I for sure was... well the E-M1 Mark II will probably get no love in that area, possibly not even 4K, they're going hardcore stills mode. But they did give it 4K. They put a vari-angle touchscreen on a weather sealed body, dual cardslots, both mic-in ánd headphone ports even and it's not even in need of important firmware updates that you'd see earliest 2 years down the road... it looks amazing, I really like the modern retro approach, awesome hardware, is killing it on stills features, has super effective sensor stabilization... apart from the fullsize HDMI the GH5 hasn't got much on it. I mean... doesn't get much better than that. It does get a little pricey... and you have that small ass sensor performance, but I'm like: if non of the APS-C cameras keep up with a body and features like that, then for me MFT is still the way to go. Plus, you have a superb choices for affordable B/C cams. Not only don't I like the A6500 as a camera body and APS-C system (after all, what's the use without an actively developed compact lens system to support it? (aside from heat issues, rolling shutter, screen dimming etc)), but what would you roll as a B cam to that? a RX10(0)? Suddenly dropping to 1" fixed lens. Dunno about that. Lumix has seen many 4K options now: GH4, G7, GX8, GX85, G85, GX800 and now the GH5. 4/3" interchangeable lens system cameras in all kind of sizes and prizes. Lots of Olympus alternatives as well, and like Olympus even Fujifilm seems to break their traditional approach, I mean, no sensor stabilization or frontfacing touchscreen, but they're even offering a LOG option. And like you said, even Nikon is starting to embrace 4K. Not sure how much longer Canon can afford to play stupid, at some point even the loyal following must get pissed by the lack of progression...

I'm so white, on certain shoots I've used myself as a reflector.

This video was done 4 years ago... with equipment availlable and affordable to most, that really got me excited for quadcopters as aerial videography platforms. Like, 5 years ago... that would require like...

Well, they had drones in formation performing tricks and stuff years ago, so I sorta thought that with telemetry 'n stuff they had made a motion control system from an aerial platform and programmed the whole thing. At first glance I thought the birds were flying forwards, not backwards as well. Guess in reality it was more hacky sack skilled flying and tons of post. Superbly done though.