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Looks like they've finally gotten the hint from the NX1 and G7. Unfortunately only looks wise... maybe the next generation the specs will finally match it? And have a fully articulated screen for the vloggers?

Because of my actual day job giving me so many great oppertunities I felt obliged to capture some of those moments. That started out as photography... my first 1080p camera (Canon SX1 IS) just blew me away and I fell in love with video... started to do more with it in my free time. With the bridgecamera I did begin to mind the noise in sub-optimal lighting conditions and lack of manual focus mostly when I figured I needed to step up to either the GH2 or 550D/T2i. I went with the more compact (carrying around friendly) system and have stayed true to the MFT system since (GH2, GH4, G7, GX80, E-M1, BMPCC, Z Camera E1) with the exception of the Nikon D5300. I'm already happy with my current day job, but I'm hoping that in the near future I can cut some hours and do filmmaking on the side commercially, I'm all for getting paid to do what you love (I just happen to like more than one thing). But for the time I'm just having fun with video and experimenting with techniques looking for an own style. I just strive to capture the beauty of something and do it justice. But I probably have too much of a technical approach to achieving this. I see other filmmakers that are more creative. They don't just capture moments, they create them. That's really the thing I've got to nail down now.

I'd personally be more interested in the new LG V20 or ZTE Nubia Z11 (w/ NeoVision).

Well, if Tokina Cinema ATX is any indication... http://www.tokinacinema.com I've bought a new Tokina 50-135mm f/2.8 for 544 USD, the Cinema ATX T3.0 version would set you back a whopping 4.499 USD. Roughly same image quality... are the tweaks made to one that mainly make it easier to use worth that much more? Depends on the user. For me absolutely not. But I get it, these are specialized items for the people that dó want it. And that's not that many. It's a supply and demand thing. Novelty item? Sell less... jack up the price.

I believe Ebrahim has a spare one he could send you. All old and lame jokes aside; surprises me you're willing to part with the Hollywood lens. I only have f/2.8s unfortunately (but count myself fortunate enough to have 'em in the first place, though). Though, with longer focal length you do more easily get more of that Zeiss pop/rendering/bokeh in your shots.

I have the Lilliput 663/O/P2, because of the features... but then the BMD Video Assist was more practical to use (5" is lovely! The 7" 663 is well-built... maybe too well, it's heavy and clunky). Just... the VA is not really awesome blossum for monitoring per se, it just lacks features. Because of that I'm going in between with the Lilliput Q5. LinkDelight seems to have 'em already. The official EU distributor was expecting 'em in in two weeks (that was a week ago). I mean, ideally I would've gone with a field monitor/recorder combo, but the one I want, which is the Videodevices PIX-E5(H) is a little bit too high up there for me to really consider. Time for them, Atomos or Blackmagic to release a combo monitor with 5~5.5" in the sub 1000 USD range (preferably sub 750 of course). That would be a home run! Until that day I think the Q5 will do it all: from being mounted on a handheld gimbal stabilizer to actually checking the waveforms/vectorscope in a studio environment. The silly but practical looking rubber Atomos-style cover is removable (since the update of including one, they haven't had any renders without one). Btw, Aputure has a new monitor, the VS-5 (7" though). Saw it a few weeks ago on AliExpress. They announced the release on their social media and YouTube channel more recently. And not sure why, but Feelworld and Seetec seem very stoneagey, I'd be more comfortable with Lilliput and Aputure.

You're trading in a constant f/2.8 for a f/3.5-5.6 on a smaller sensor camera... so uh... video quality and features goes ahead for sure, but you're going backwards with your lens selection, athough the range is nice. Not sure, of course also depends on what you're using it for and the kind of flexibility you need. If you shoot a lot of bright outdoor scenes with deep depth of field... that might just work just fine. If it's in the budget and you don't mind a chunky lens and/or shoot locked off the 18-35mm f/1.8 Sigma is the unbeatable choice for a little more oompf, especially boosted. Otherwise... go primes? Nice vintage Nikon Nikkor, Canon FD, Pentax Takumar, etc selection in combination with the GX80's sensor stabilization?

Just got the CVP heads-up in, the pictures in it showed it as more of a broadcast kinda set-up camera. That seems to make more sense for this puppy. Professional event coverage or something, with quick turnarounds. It looks nice for that, but what cinema cameras concerned there indeed are a lot of options out there that seem better suited at a more sensible price.

Yeah, someone in the comments there the other day mentioned that. As well as a leak that should come from Atomos that should hint a 12-bit out... Not sure if there's much to it. But hey, that would be flippin' awesome! Let's get this party on the road! Or better yet, let's get this camera hit the shelves!

It's their reaction to the mighty successful GF7. - Wait. The G-what now?

Think it's getting time to make some suggestions... I'll start. So, Andrew, how does ShootingDCI.com sound to ya? If you catch my drift.

Dude, I love your mission statement from the frontpage's 'about'-section: That kinda continues in a philosophy that 'nobody should be blocked from participating in a community where they can learn and showcase their talent as a cinematographer or filmmaker due to a difference in opinion, skill level or approach to filmmaking'. You've also allowed and welcomed everyone who was willing to add somekind of positive contribution to the site. I remember even one guy losing his cool and asked to please be banned already, yet you didn't seem to really see the point in that, but did as he asked and told him to come back should he have a change of heart (which he did). That's what I like about this place, just somewhere where free spirits can come together and share knowledge and opinions, without everyone having to follow strict directions and having to be on the same page. DPReview is a very practical site, but I wouldn't really want to 'hang out' there, sorta speak. I like opinions. I like your blog (I might not agree with everything you always say, but then again, why have an opinionated blog and open forum if there's nothing to discuss) or YouTube channels like TheCameraStoreTV with Jordan and Chris or DigitalREV with Kai and Lok. Because, unboxings and going through the specs is something everyone can do. I can't stand CNET reviews. I need someone to get down to the nitty gritty and not sugarcoat things. What is it really all about? What do you think? I don't go over to other sites much, other than the rumor channels, because they don't understand fun, creativity and community that much. I feel pretty much at home here. You've created a nice atmosphere for people to speak their minds freely. I thank you for it and hope it continues on like that.

Pretty childish of them if you ask me.

Another video where some of the shots are full of 3D depth layering. It's crazy nice. I've only really seen it with the X5R. It really brings a certain 'pop' to the image.

As with all new tech, it takes time to implement well. We're probably looking at 2018 rather than right now I'm afraid. But then you have sick dynamic range, insane lowlight capability, very good color reproduction and global shutter to end the swirly swirls and bendy bends! So yeah, definitely something to get excited over and worth waiting for...

Yeah, exactly why it's no use mentioning or having hopes for them. The only plus side is that the 1D C has come down in price... which is still a traditional style camera without all the modern mirrorless bells and whistles and gives you a bitchy workflow. Though yeah, the results speak for themselves. But unless it has a 'C'-badge you can kinda forget about it. And with the increasingly capable competition and Canon upping security protocols trying to block exploits, I also think people will find better things to do than trying to hack another Canon. I want something up from the GH4, yet not spend the kind of money that would set me back an A7RII/A7SII set-up with fullframe covering lenses or having to go up to the league of Sony FS5 and Kinefinity Terra with all the add-ons. I just want to spend like 1799~2499,- and be done with it. Have my ideal camera that does it all. Something in between the things we've already seen the GH4, GX80, NX1, A6300 and D5500 do. How hard can that be? Sure there's Blackmagic which kinda tries to bridge the gap, but since the BMPCC I haven't really seen a camera that could be used as casual as the GH4. Also, shooting/light conditions have to be near perfect shooting with those. I get it, it's a 'cinema camera', but that doesn't mean I only want to shoot on well lit sets...

Remember hearing about these guys? http://www.craftcamera.com In the slight chance they really do intend to bring out this camera, their site says 'Starting in the fall of 2016, Craft will be visiting cities around the globe'. I'm skeptic they will come through at all, but I do feel like that's the kinda thing we need right now... Updates have been due for months now... but hopefully we're able to catch a glimp of life some day soon. I need to go somewhere from the GH4. I refuse to use traditional DSLRs and their quirks, I don't per se need fullframe cameras either. S35/APS-C would be rather perfect. Nice enough crop to easily create a shallow depth of field, have a broader selection of wide lenses, better high-ISO performance... Surely I could live with the M43 format and speedboost lenses, given the ISO performance is not far from that of an APS-C mirrorless camera such as the A6300. Sony's reliability is affected, some think it's managable, I personally don't want to get something with that kind of track record that can bail on you at any given moment. Colors are tricky (color channel clipping too). The rolling shitter. Samsung did nice job in making a solid camera indeed... pair it with the S line-up lenses and you're still good to go. Great internals and infrastructure in place to pull sweet stuff from the sensor without all the issues the other brands are experiencing. Indeed, why is it you pay good money for cameras these days and they can't keep up? Also: can't they take notes/a hint from others? Fujifilm indeed might be making waves. Although, it's still a very stills oriented camera, like I think the E-M1 II will be too, so video is going to be rather acceptable, but nothing to fancy in terms of usability and control. I'd really want to see sensor stabilization and a fully articulated touchscreen with cameras like that. The E-M1 II might be that, but will probably screw up writing it away to the card and create files that are rather thin spread sorta say. For now it looks like the GH5 will be it. Everything the GH4 is and later was experimented with with firmware upgrades and trial features (including paid ones). Especially if the G7 and GX85/80 are an omen. Though I think it will still not be the ideal camera. I think it's going to be an incremental upgrade much like we've seen before. I hope however that it's a nice placeholder for the GH6, which will hopefully be more of a revolution than an update, sporting NX1-like internals and A6300-like lowlight performance. Maybe finally with the organic sensor, no additional crops and upped processing availlable... It would be amazing if next to 'regular' 4K60p they could do Blackmagic-like internal ProRes and DNG RAW at the 1080p resolution. I also hope Nikon joins the APS-C mirrorless party. I don't think they'll go fullframe, as they want the pros to rely on their sturdy and reliable DSLRs. But something like the D5500 made mirrorless with mirrorless features and new flexible mount type I could really see working. They can almost keep the body style, the D5500 is not that much different than a GH4. Fairly chunky, but really manageable and then the fully articulated touchscreen of course. That's a good concept. But then with the Nikon advantages of excellent color and rendering overall, reduced crop (with the option of boosting it in the direction of fullframe) and better lowlight performance. I hope by the time Christmas comes around we'll have some great things to choose from to put underneath the Christmas tree. But if indeed it takes CES and next year's NAB to come up with something sexay, I'm sure we'll make it through winter somehow. For a few months set aside the wishes for a new camera and just put focus on lenses, lighting, audio and storytelling.

I find it useful as recorder or as locked off mic. As an active mic... maybe not so much, it picks up a lot of handling noise. Maybe a RØDE Videomic X or some similar?

Yeah, it's the mystic and infamous 'motion cadence' (look it up). There's a lot of discussions out there. It's like conspiracy theories (aliens or what have you) or even religion. There's no real hard evidence of it, but people feel there's something to it and believe it's out there. I think there's more to it than just a camera. I think in certain conditions it might be more prone to show, but I'm also one to think there's something to it. Especially with CCD sensors or thick datastreams of information motion seems to be recorded a little nicer. Is there scientific hard evidence? I didn't really see any. Could it just be a placebo-kinda-thingie? Someone says they see it and you suddenly start to see it, although in all actuality it isn't there? Who knows, really. But it makes for an interesting topic of discussion, if anything.

Yeah, I was thinking SB XL: Canon or Nikon. But... I do more Nikon-mount stuff already (mostly zooms from Nikon, Sigma, Tokina, etc), so it would be nice to have a single adapter that works for most of my needs; including aperture control. And it was cheaper than the Canon, of which I had no intention of using the electronics of anyways; so why pay to include that? Still, for like the Contax Zeiss stuff, EF-flexibility was factored in... so I decided to get a separate focal reducer in the form of the Lens Turbo II, which ultimately gives me two focal reducers for dual set-ups and the nicest flexibility, performance and value. And the few K&F Concept (which I've switched to from Fotga) adapters seem to work well. Got one from Leinox that's decent too. The choice I guess depends on the lenses you use most and what you've got budgeted for focal reducing.

They just don't push themselves to be that innovative, to have the best specs on the market... they just lower the bar rather than overreaching. So in the end, what they do set out to do, they do it pretty well and leave the user with a happy experience. That's also why people keep recommending newbies Canon and don't change systems. I kinda get that. Sony cameras aren't the most chill ones to work with. The Micro Four Thirds system might not have the performance and look you're after. With the APS-C options there's always something that feels missing/isn't quite there yet. I mean, a 5DmkIV wouldn't really work great for me, but if you're into fullframe stills and no fuzz video... are already rocking a bunch of Canon gear and like the seemingly hassle free process of getting results, then this probably makes sense.

For this reason and the fact I also shoot with multiple bodies in use, I also have multiple focal reducers, that in the form of both the Metabones Nikon - M43 XL and the ZY Optics/Zhongyi/Mitakon Lens Turbo II EF - M43. From the earlier days the R.J. Lens Turbo Nikon - M43 and dedicated FD - M43 too, but in some problematic situations you might end up with light bouncing around causing some blue/magenta spots to appear in your image. And I did have problems (that got solved by excellent customer service) with the FD glass, where the construction didn't really allow for it to survive the shipment and the optic elements came loose and started to scratch up. So... for the ease of use and operation I've got the Metabones XL Nikon version. I don't really need the fancy electronic bits on the Canon adapter that drive up the price anyways, although it does allow a more flexbile mounting option, like you've mentioned. That's my reasoning for the 0.64x XL adapter in Nikon mount (aperture control as well). If you're fine with something around 0.71x, I think you could just pick up a ZY Optics/Zhongyi/Mitakon Lens Turbo. Probably the best value out there. Latest versions are actually pretty solid. R.J. Lens Turbo... he was one of the first to come out with a solid alternative, but lately I haven't seen anybody raving about it since new options have appeared. There's the Kipon BAVeyes which as mentioned before is a cooperation with IB/E Optics (BAV, Bavaria, Bayern, Germany, the guys behind Handevision). From a Japanese test report they seemed to be very soft in the corners and filled with purple fringing more so than the others. I'd say besides the rebranded/brandless cheap focal reducers on eBay and such, those would be the last to consider. One other option that's part of something different comes from Aputure. They now have that DEC Lensregain of course that looks to be interesting. I do sometimes just throw K&F (Kent & Faith) Concept adapters in front, like on the Canon mount a C/Y to EOS. Though for Minolta and Pentax for example I only have adapters to M43, so I couldn't really tell you. Best to go over at http://kentfaith.com/product-172.html perhaps and/or check eBay for such listings. They usually tell you if the adapter will do infinity focus or requires and is equipped with a corrective lens. I believe someone (Andy Lee?) once mentioned that if you look closely the Leica R Metabones can be had for a good deal and is a flexbile means of adapting other mounts. But I haven't done the math on that/am not sure about adapters. -- Ah, that table by Bror (below) made me 2nd guess this. That was ancient talk and actually the other way around; it was when we were still hoping for something flexible and he suggested butchering (for reduced flange distance) the Leica R mount to increase mounting options.

I do kinda get his point though. There's always people that are going to complain that equipment is too expensive for them. Ok, we get it. He can't buy the 16-50mm f/2-2.8 S lens and 400 USD is a stretch too. What I don't understand is... if that's not your ballpark... then don't look at it and complain about it. That's unproductive. And what I also get is that stuff just costs money, from a designing and engineering perspective. If you want something that's brand new and any good, there's probably some money involved to make it. That's just how it works. Complaining about something that's already fairly priced might be regarded disrespectful to the ones making 'em, although I wouldn't really go as far as saying it's disrespectful to the art in any way, except from the fact that everybody is dealing with the fact something is a certain price and they either sacrifice somethings to get the funds or just forget about it already. I love cars, especially the fast and exotic ones. Yet you won't see me complain that a McLaren is too expensive. Or even the Audi RS5. If it's not in my ballpark, I'll just have to look at other stuff that gets me from A to B. Can't afford a car, like... any car? Look at public transport! Can't do that either? Take a bike or go on foot! I mean... you want a cheap f/1.4? Get a 25mm APS-C covering C-mount lens from AliExpress/eBay or something already. Or a nice vintage piece of quality glass. Sure I agree. Budget forces perspective, a new way of thinking and resourcefulness. But you've got to explore that. You can't just sit around moping. Be creative with what you've got on focus your energy on the right things. That's all.

Nope, not surprised at all, like I said before... Also, every day in the newspapers here there's new reports of people getting conned. The other day it was someone who got told she was being haunted by ghosts and there was a way for spiritual cleansing. A costly way as it turned out. A lot of the time it's oldies that give thousands to 'family members' in financial distress that they've never heard of or met. Or just gullible women who've fallen to victim to the smooth talk of some guy on the interw3bs. Yet, there doesn't seem to be an end to it. You'd expect people by now to have their guards up way high and be suspicious of everything. I know I'm bordering paranoia that way. But no. There's people who prey on the weak and you just can't let them. You just got to have a healthy dose of alertness and common sense. It's good to spread awareness that these kind of things happen. When are people going to learn? At some point I'm almost thinking 'well, if you didn't see the alarmbells going of from the get-go, maybe you deserve it'. I know people want to walk through life without any worries, but it can't hurt sometimes to second guess someone's motives when it comes to some more serious money. Luckily, occassionally I do also read about people who go along with these scams and get the cops involved immediately. Usually it indeed turns out they've been running multiple practices like it. These people really are the scum of the earth. Anyways. That was more a general thing, not really specific to what has happened around here... catch me in a good hakuna matata-mood and I'd be inclind to be like 'no worries, I know you're good for it' too. I mean, you've been a part of a community together for so long, you think you can to some extent get a reading on people. Although when faced with excuses and having to send money to the continent that is Africa through Western Union, I'd probably would've been like 'sorry, but that's just something I'm not comfortable with'... ES thought he was untouchable, Boasted about it on the internet and now still thinks he's in the clear? I really do believe in Karma. If he doesn't right his wrongs it will eventually catch up with him. I'm still hoping for the guys to get this over with the easy way soon rather than the hard way, the long way, but I'm not really convinced. I invite ES to prove me wrong, to stop the lies and excuses once and for all and return that what was stolen in the soonest of matters. Just be safe, guys. If you put yourself in a vulnerable position, don't make the jump unless you've ensured there are some nets in place to catch you if something goes wrong.

Would be cool if they'd include trackmapping as well. I found the following rather interesting: http://petapixel.com/2016/08/11/sd-card-built-gyro-sensor-stabilize-shots/ ! Something like that must then come out crazy smooth!