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Ok, so now I'm a sad foolish idiot. Glad you guys got that out of your systems. Does that mean you can focus on the topic title again?

I don't have the energy to google it either. I can't imagine they all had finalized product pages with full details online and then had to scrap an advertised feature just as they come 'In stock'. We're not talking about what the rumors were or what some guy said in some interview what they'd like to be doing next. We're talking official product pages. And there I haven't seen many companies ditching a feature like that, especially after such a massive delay. With Sony, they offer things as firmware upgrades. Which have to come out anyway as their initial release FW does seem a little rushed and bugged with child diseases. Other companies, like Canon only announce cameras they can deliver as advertised when they're already in production and hitting the shelves soon.

Delays. Yes. (That's why it didn't order it before it seemed to have reached testers and appeared 'In stock'). Faults/Bugs (like black hole sunspots). Yes. Exclusion of promoted features that seem a realistic achievement. Not at all the same things... I haven't seen many companies say 'yeah, remember when we told you it would have so-and-so, well, on 2nd thought, we'll ship 'em out without'. Not even BMD before. Easy on the 'fools' and 'idiots' please. It was fair to assume the camera would be capable of global shutter. As advertised. But Mattias is right, nobody is forced to still get one at this point. So whatevs. But how can you deny that a camera as described initially would've been cooler than the camera that will be shipping out now? It's not a delay and getting a better thing. It's not a delay and still getting the same thing. It's a delay and getting a worse thing. If that wasn't allowed to be disappointed about, what is? Are you now disappointed that people still get disappointed about how BMD goes about things? Shouldn't that require us to be disappointed in you for being disappointed in us, which was a given as BMD has a history of disappointing?

Nah, he mentioned that. I had idolized the PIX-E5 quite a bit, so it's nice to get a honest user experience feedback, that does kinda changes perspectives on things. I wish more would jump on the 5" form factor.

I figured the cat would've been the princess. They're usually such divas. They're equally cute though. And... true! I was thinking about these or Leica R. But it seemed although the Leicas are gorgeous, sure, they perhaps just have a bit more of a specific look, whereas it appeared the Contax Zeiss ones would have a bit generic look to 'em (which is not a bad thing). And you're right on! They're reasonably affordable and yet so up there in quality. It's like they are on that line of realism and really have that 3D pop <insert laugh-tape - reference joke>. But seriously though, they do have something special about 'em. There are some good reads and recommendations out there regarding these. Even in comparison with the big boy Zeiss optics. Of course it too helps that andy lee stands behind them! I guess the 21mm would be the one to get on the wide end, but I think it roughly sells for more than the ones in the other ranges combined. Ouch. Nah, in that case I'm good with 25mm being the widest I guess (wishlist). And focal reducing is still a thing if you're commited to small sensor cameras.

I know what you mean! I've just started building my own set. I love puns.

Because it's meaningless I don't mind getting upset about it. It doesn't actually affect my happy state of mind unlike real issues do. But I get what you're saying.

Ah! There he is. Sounds like you'd be pretty upset if someone would do that. See. There's a realist in all of us after all. The order is cancelled. They said the 'In stock' wasn't so 'In stock' after all (as per my suspicion, but you know, I was thinking overly positive at the time ). That chocolate has a pretty bad lingering aftertaste that is a little hard to get rid of... but I was already planning on treating my tastebuds to something nice, which I bet will taste the more sweeter because of it (something with andy lee's excitement and Swedish prices, and perhaps something with a letter and a number)! You're right, you don't like the taste, don't put it in your mouth. But you need a sec to spit it out and get rid of the taste first when you find something you don't like. Yes, but then you miss out on the happy excitement. If it turns out not to be exciting at all, you can still be happy, because you choose to, right?

It's the balance in the universe, though. Yin & Yang and all that stuff. There can't be just positive. For every you, there's a me. And that's ok. Just to me, turning a blind eye to only see and acknowledge the positive to me is not the way to go as it leaves you with a blind eye... I'd rather have both my eyes functioning just fine and see the good and the bad. That's kind of the beauty of it. No highs without the lows. Doesn't have to mean you're stuck in the lows. Maybe it just means that life's like a box of chocolates, you never know what you gonna get... and there's ones you love, there's ones you spit out and say it tastes gnarly. Don't worry, I'm not planning on putting a gnarly tasting chocolate against my tastebuds again.

Ha good one. Well, I wouldn't want to now. But that info wasn't availlable two days ago, so now I have to cancel the order I had put up because it had appeared 'In stock' the other day (with the 'as is' and advertised features listed there; btw, now it's back to '31+ days' again). But yeah, it's just swell to hear that probably the most important feature will be left out from the thing I just put money down for. People should rightfully so get excited, happy and thrilled by that. Toats ma goats. Lovely jovely. We should be glad that we have information now atleast right. Yay transparancy. We're all just people. We make mistakes. We're forgiving. We love to be happy and make eachother smile. Nah. Getting upset for a minute? Sure that helps. Not like rage quitting or anything, but just outing your disappointment to get it out of the system, sure. Although it's not even so much about being destructive or how I feel. I hope they keep an eye on places like this and they should feel guilty and responsible for this mess-up. And if I'm not going to hold 'em accountable or make 'em feel like they should do better, who will and will they ever see the need to change? It's like parenthood. One will give the kid treats as a reward of changing behaviour, the other will give their kid a time-out (and then of course there's the controversial parent that spanks). Or puppy training dogs. You were never like: NO! DON'T DO THAT! BAD DOG! Aw... man. My favourite vase. Aw man... he got a hold of the trashbin and now the place is littered. You're 24/7 happy and cheerful? You can't always put on a happy voice and go 'awww... cute, here's a treat in the hope you'll won't do it again'. Well atleast I can't. I'm a human, not a robot (atleast 50% of me isn't ). Sure, happiness is a choice and the cooldown minute which I mentioned has passed and I'm good though now that I have it out of the system. I'm not chronically mad, you know. But at times I'm happy to be mad.

This is sad, guys. I'm afraid it's much like I said, guys... But I was even too optimistic. I was hoping they would just scratch it and give us something even better; not worse. I thought that by now they had figured out how to be a legit, honest and capable business. But these are Kickstarter/Indiegogo-like practices. What the hell BMD... will they ever learn? And then go over to all the phony damage control, making excuses and changing subjects ('but look, we worked so hard and Beta testers liked it, so we tested it ourselves and we were pleasantly suprised with how awesome, organic and filmic it is... we ended up liking it just as well', OMG, aren't you the first to test it? What the actual fuck? What kind of shop are they actually running over there?). I don't know. Right now I can only say 'bleep'. I believe I need a minute to cool down, although I should (and probably did) know any better than getting my hopes and excitement up like that. -- Cooled down. Let's all move on.

You'd normally go wide and deep depth of field, then keep your subject around the hyperfocal distance of your lens. That way, no AF required. It takes balls to rely on your camera's C-AF as most will hunt around a bit.

Yeah, heard good things about the Leeming LUT. Everybody seems all about LUTs these days. Not so much myself. I like it to quickly rotate through different looks (for inspiration only) to see what I like and would like to go with, but then I'd get there myself and do my own correcting and grading. I think that will get you less in trouble with pushing the footage too hard and you don't get a standard (although tweaked) LUT look ('ah, that's got to be <so and so> LUT, I recognize it'). But I've seen good things out there either way. Awesome! Seems like we're on the same page on cameras and gear! Coincidentally I also have the Hercules coming my way (magnetic upgrade, am I right!?). Still undecided on the H2. I guess I have until friday before the -15% runs out (not sure when it will, but they said they'd start shipping next monday I believe). If that BMMCC really is starting to become availlable right now, I can not imagine a much better excuse to get the H2 as well... Exciting stuff! Good on ya on pulling the trigger! I hope you're going to love it. I think this really might be the one too. Motion sure looks pretty nice and it's one of the earlier tests, without him having used it extensively...

Yeah, I was pretty curious about what you had thrown in front of there. And I see you're using quick releases on the cages as well?

Ok Andy. That's enough, now. (jk) Everytime you say stuff like that, I keep on kicking myself in the head (I'm flexible like that) for not jumping on that double cashback deal. And my head's really hurting right now. You do realize we all want one now, right? But not all of us have one... yet. The build-up is killing me. I got to get to the bottom of this and see it with my own eyes. Probably be picking one up in Stockholm end of the month, heard they have the best prices at the moment.

Awesome job, dude! Tell me about those flares though, lens, method?

Haha. That's why I wouldn't mind the BMMCC even if they would announce a pocket v2 right now at NAB. By the time those would come out... I'd be grey and getting sponge baths. I dig 5", nothing wrong with that, I have the 7" Lilliput 663/O/P2, awesome features for the price, super solid. Too solid in fact; it's really bulky and heavy. And of course, just a field monitor, no recorder. What I'd want is to take 4K HDMI camera output and downres it to 1080p by either downressing it before it hits the Video Assist through HDMI or... something that takes 4K HDMI and turns it into 4K SDI, which the Video Assist can downsample itself. Like a <99 USD box converter or something. Although, admittedly, just recording 4K altogether would be pretty amazeballs. Especially if they'd come out with something more like a PIX-E5(H) with some of the Shogun/Odyssey features incl. vectorscope, waveforms, RGB/Luminance parade, different zooms, peaking, LUT support etc. All sweet solutions are now well over a thousand bucks. I'd love to see something at 699~999 USD.

Just curious. Had anybody put up a pre-order anywhere and could it be that they're slowly shipping out right about now? See, I was randomly checking stock situations at different stores and the local one I bought my Video Assist at suddenly has changed from 'ships in 31+ days' to 'In stock'... however, all other shops got nothing and are still accepting pre-orders. Haven't found any other 'ships in x days' items on the site either, everything appears to be in stock which is pretty unlikely too, so now I'm thinking it might just all be bollocks and some backend/system/database fault. But it be nice to know. I know CVP sometimes had pre-orders running in the past because of the backorder, but were slowly shipping out items out whenever they got a handful of units in (Blackmagic does this so randomly, stores have no idea until something pops up for delivery I believe). But they seem to post exciting news like that on their social media, and non about the BMMCC yet: https://www.facebook.com/cvptv / https://twitter.com/cvpgroup . I kinda have become 'A6300? Fuck it. I'll get a BMMCC and G7', so I gotta admit I'd get one if they have some.

I wish there was an easy cheap fix to get 4K downscale over HDMI on the Video Assist. It only does over SDI.

Don't forget I dropped a comment last week. Not sure if you hang out here or just post and go and haven't seen it.

Look closely and you'll see that the image on the left says 'T1' where the right one says 'H2' which I think might be more like the CAME-TV Mini 3 as found here: http://www.came-tv.com/camemini-3-3axis-gimbal-camera-32bit-boards-with-encoders-p-810.html . It connects from the center across the sides rather than with a single side arm (which however would provide the pistol grip option). Ah, yeah, I forget for a 2nd you'd have to consider import fees either way. That... blows. I think there's definitely something to the fact that a heavier set-up has like more momentum, so in turn lets less outside influences/variables affect it. But then again, we have drones and they have to fly with the lightest payloads possible and there's some way smooth motion going on there, so it might just be how the platform is handled, how the profiles are set up and how the controller and motors go about their things. Again, I haven't had any of these, so I can only comment on what I've seen and what my gut feeling says. I love the M43 format. I had given fullframe a thought when the 5DmkII and mkIII were a thing, but there's a couple of things... size, not just the body, the bloody lenses you'd have to throw in front to cover that sensor (that's also why I haven't jumped on the A7-series). As well as the price. Like I mentioned, I like sensible and well-considered choices, but I'm not sure spending 3000+ EUR on a camera is getting me that 3000+ worth in value back for what I do (I see that better spent on premo lenses). I do however like my D5300's APS-C sensor. I guess because it's similar to S35 and it renders nice organic looking footage I suppose. But I'm team mirrorless all the way, so no more mirrored experiences for me, I like you D5500 and D750, but I think it's best if we just stay friends. It's not you. It's me. And all that. Yeah, MFT/M43/M4/3 (I still don't know the appropriate abbreviation), for me it is a sensible choice. You don't spend tons on a new camera. There's a plethora of native lenses in all kinds of price ranges. You can adapt just about anything. It's compatible with focal reducers. It's an innovative mirrorless system so you get great features. And one of the most important reasons personally indeed: it's just so conveniently compact. A Panasonic G7 with Zhongyi 25mm f/0.95 would weigh close to nothing and would hardly take up any space at all. Look at that (from the ZY Optics website). Would you just look at it: But yeah, no sensor stabilization unlike the recent A7-step-up models or Olympus. And you do fall short in terms of stills performance as well as lowlight capability. There I'd actually wish we'd see a APS-C sized sensor like we have in Nikons. If Nikon would only make a sweet trouble-free mirrorless version of the D5500. Perhaps with built-in image stabilization and 4K. But oh well, enough about camera systems in a pistol grip gimbal thread. Yeah. I believe I did see them mention on FB that the H2 doesn't replace the H1+. It's an additional option. So I can indeed imagine them coming out with an updated H1². I don't have any special insider's information. So I don't know what will come, what will happen with pricing or anything. Just sleep on it, really think about if you need it or just want it and ultimately do what feels right.

He'd be fun at winetastings.

An interesting thing about one of those later videos from that Japanese fella is how he counteracted the walking bounce by using the two handle accessory in a different way with a one handed operation holding it sorta sideways and diagonally, making the gimbal itself counteract the up/down bounce. I think that's the technique he used when he ran across that street and it seemed pretty damn steady. Overall I think it is a much smarter, polished and more versatile design that can grow with you, allowing you easy set-up, a better experience and hopefully nicer results. It's much more than just being able to handle more weight. It's like both a DJI OSMO and a Ronin-M (and also remote motion control). With all the modern feats we've come to expect from handheld gimbal stabilizers in 2016. Not sure where the Beholder would have to ship from? Pilotfly has a german branch, where you're not going to be surprised by import duties and have close-by support. In the end you gotta weigh your own personal pros and cons. But there's a reason I haven't got any of these units yet, I didn't really fell any were at a level I was comfortable with buying one. For the first time, with the H2, I think it might be there, because it just covers all grounds. If I thought the H1+ would be ready for primetime, I would've already bit the bullet on that one, but I haven't. Stuff has to click with me, has to feel right. I wanted to get the A6300, then on paper they've sort of given me just about everything I wished for... but now that it's out, it doesn't really click with me. Would love a camera that does well AF wise, especially on a handheld gimbal stabilizer like the ones we're talking about, but with NAB around the corner and Photokina yet to come, I'm not so sure anymore. For now the GH4 will serve me fine. I'd love however to sell off some of the BMPCCs to get the BMMCC and G7 instead. We've by now all seen Simon Shasha's and Noam Kroll's work, with the former using the BMMCC in conjunction with the CAME-TV Single which has encoders as well. Tech advancement these days is crazy, so it does get better with each latest gizmo that comes out, so I feel like when I'm going with something, I can't take something last gen which I've already considered before and then did not get. But there's a steep learning curve (at these young companies) and they get constant feedback of what can and needs to be improved. Like something like the 360 yaw rotation not ripping wires, or rolling around the arm to the other side to permit the extension of the vari-angle display. It has mounting spots all over so you can use it like the OSMO with a little display to the side, I'd probably throw my BMD Video Assist there. In the end... is that all worth it to ya? I don't know, I'm not you. I'm not really restricted by any particular budget myself, but still I like my choices to be sensible and well considered. It just has to click, so that includes the value too.

Wasn't there some weird fullframe adapter set-up for the XC-10?