Why so much hate on red? I mean yes there are some ridiculous things like the naming of the products etc and yes the cameras are getting very pricey although when they started red was all for affordability but we are still looking at a camera that is one of the industry top dogs with arri for example and look at their pricing of cameras, accessories etc.. Anyway, imo the raven seems like a good option for some people, no it's not a doc run-n-gun camera and I don't really think anyone was expecting it to have things like xlrs and built-in nd out the box. But it seems like it could be a very lightweight and modular camera capable of shooting a feature film and it's a new red camera with a shootable package for $12-15k. That should be something to drive the competition. Plus it is going to see a lot of use in gimbal work, drones, cablecams,crashcam anything where you need a small lightweight body with maximum image quality. For me the crop factor isn't such a big deal. Look at it this way - compared to traditional cinema standard s35 (not FF stills) the crop is only about 1.1-1.2 lol And before someone calls me a fanboy - no, I do not own any gear from red, just tryin to discuss the product at hand. BTW I totally agree that this is more c300 mk 2 territory than Ursa Mini. I was trying to find info on how much the new canon weighs to see how it goes on a gimbal but it is not listed anywhere in the specs? Anyone have any info on that?