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"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."

keep also in mind that Sony had just released a new fullframe body ... so, while we could see a tendency, it's more or less PR clickbait atm.

Freudian slip? The big issue is quality control in my eyes. They went too cheap in their production like the 600's and the 750's shutter problems and that backfired. Therefore loosing not only margins, but a lot of reputation and customers, too. edit: But hey, they were nearly dead in 2008, too, before they launched the lowlight king D3. They have allready a chance to come back, it depends all on the next bodies (take the new 7500 not in account)

You are absolutely right, Hockey Fan. Not much difference in this aspect in the newest version. A nice surprise. Ordered the whole bunch of plastic stuff, all three of 'em. :-) Add to this a fast prime or two (maybe the VC from Tamron or just the 1.8's from Canon) and I'm mostly done. Makes life easier. (What is different with this old nikkors is the warmish colour cast, but to be honest most of this could be achieved in post nowadays, if desireable)

Yes, I hesitate to post that info. But wait a minute: Are you sure that the GH is even part of the (still) camera department? Probably they are belonging to the movie division. The consumer still market is dying and that's where traditionally the big money was made. Videographers are only a small niche; 60,ooo sold bodies sounds much, but in reality the margins are not really big if you consider all the R&D and the overhead. Sony restructered their business two years ago, Nikon did it a month ago, Olympus too, others will follow. Apart for the poors guys who get fired this are good news indead, as it's the only solution for surviving in a hostile enviroment. They had to do it right now as the fiscal year is ending. But that did not mean they are dying. Think of Sigma, Pentax and Fuji.

Interesting. The micro contrast of better glas has much, much more pleasure for the eye than the aseptic plastic consumer zooms. In a low sharpness enviroment like video I preferre the look of Zeiss, some of the elder Nikkors and of course Canon's Ls. OTH, it does not help if you are out of focus, suffers shaking and exposure up and down, LOL list of lenses for C100/II, source canon homepage: The following EF Lenses are compatible with Face AF and Auto Push Iris: EF-S 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 IS STM EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM EF-S 18-55 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS STM EF 24-105 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM" So, not even the 50mm. ??? The problem now is sample variation and reliability. Borrowed a Canon DSLR and tested the two NANO 18-135 samples they had in the local shop: No way! Even worser than my two used cheapo 18-55s. One was completely blurred > 70mm... You could see it even in the display before zoomed in. Contrast and colour rendition was in no case significant better as my 18-55 STM, which also quiet/fast btw. I'm not sure about AF-Speed, maybe it's a micro second faster than my shorter (and lighter) STM, but that's absolutely usable anyway. So no real improvement for 600,- Wish they had updated the 17-55/2.8

Hi, which lenses are considered for best IS, AF and face recognation? While I have a ton of vintage, but still very nice AIS Nikkors my most used lens for handheld doc's last year was ... the plastic 18-55, mainly between 18-35 mm. Would love to have 16 mm on the short end. Optically not great, I know, but I really like the auto-everything features as it allows me to concentrate fully on the action instead of technical stuff - everything sharp (enough) and exposed pretty ok'ish, even if the lighting changes dramatically during the take, what a gift. So, in short, IS is a must have. Will have to test some candidates, but the list is quite short, mainly the well known STM zooms. 17-50/2.8, 16-35/4 or of course 18-135 STM. Did I miss someone? Are Tamron or Tokina etc. serious contenders for working and reliable face recognation (which becomes really important for me)?

Yeah, _that_ would be gorgeous. Please... I think I knew the technical result, but hey, I've been wrong before and sometimes even photography could easily called an art. Call me curious, but I'm not the only one.

The C1oo(II) needs a tweaked picprofile for difficult low light conditions. Forget WDR and Clog, too.

omg, that's really great. and that's not an easy plot to shot imho. this is the true language of light and it is full of emotions and feelings (so there's no wonder you struggled when you are trying to discuss things in normal words like the rest of us :-) - you should better express yourself by shooting and shooting and shooting even more, the only grammar you ever should take into consideration are the flight of the photons)) no, seriously, while I am not sure about the different gradings, at least they didn't disturb the view; your visual communication is very trained, sir

+ 1 neat video

​What's wrong with a C100?

we are boring? maybe, but why on earth not building you own large film format by yourself???

Ebrahim, you saved me a lot of typing. :-) Exactly my thoughts.

we had really great experiences with their stills department some years ago, but of course, things could have chanced

had no idea about ExMachina, but Levithan has indeed some of the very best shot landscapes ever, like you said the pictures are not arbitrary but mirroring the plot and the characters. they make you really feel the story

really really good, nearly worldclass at least until ~ 40 sec, when it start struggling a little bit, but still fine

+ 1 I have asked myself exactly the same q many times.

I don't think it's wise now staying with the PL mount only, it should be changeable.

ok, results are promising enough, not perfect, but sometimes very close so, these bodies won't destroy your storytelling, now let's move on to the real biz. :-)

​Call her D810. :-)

Don't get me wrong, Ebrahim, I just did the unbelievable, switching from N to C... but only for the c100MKII, and only for video, I had to add. Got sick with the handling of the Nikon DSLRs. Ironically, I have a ton of Samyang, Nikon and Zeiss glas, in between a lot of fast primes, and exactly ONE (1) fuzzy cheapo-fanplastic Canon zoom, the 18-55.The last one I bought second hand just out of curiosity, because I had not planned to invest in Canon lenses (zooming/focussing the other way as Nikon lenses...).and guess what ... -- this F*** little zoom is my most valuable lens for the C100 at the moment!When I tried to focus manually I had a lot of false peaking with my trusty primes; even with the VF loupe I was too much struggling for sharp content. That changed the moment I tried the AF. Probably a game changer? At least for any steadycam/gimbal work, where you didn't want to touch the body. Yes, the new 50 is a steal. Unfortunately we are allmost sure like Jimbo said, that face detection and auto iris are not supported, just like the 17-50/2.8 ... so, no free lunch. and no reason to invest. :-(

ok, time for a little bashing. :-) Of course you are right, Ebrahim, but we have already an abundance of very fine and very cheap fifties, even if this might be an new experience for the average Canon shooter. What could make this lens interesting would be support for face detection and auto iris in the newer bodies, otherwise I would prefer a good ol' manual glas, but that might be just me.

​As others said, some AF-D's are quite suboptimal, the 20mm 2.8 for example needs f=5.6 to become contrasty... I use it a lot, but never wide open.

​No. No please. stop it right here