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I agree, the S5 and even more the S1 (with better IBIS, 6K and Open Gate) are fantastic value, I still have these camera along with the even older A7III. For my use, I much prefer the S1 or S5 over the A7III, the video quality is much better, there is no annoying NR or detail smoothing at high ISO, the details are well maintened whereas the A7III looks quickly mushy, a bit like the S5II with rec 709 profiles. The IBIS is also much better on the S1 and S5. Only the AF is not as good as the A7III, but with the last firmwares and the last Sigma lenses like the 28-45mm, it is much faster than before. I don't have any issue if I don't shoot fast moving subjects. Some old lenses like 35mm Sigma F2 are almost unusable on these cameras though ... Yes ! The GH5 is also a great value, even if I have most recent m43 cameras like the GH6 or G9II, the GH5 is still unbeatable for 4k/Open Gate quality and the Open Gate can be used at 60 fps ! The GH6 is special, lot of issues even with the AF, but the colors are the best I've seen on any Panasonic camera.

I stopped to sell anything to MBP and I only sell cameras in person, never on Ebay, especially at this price. I just use ad sites to meet buyers. The S5II is quite popular.

In France, there was some offers last week for the S1RII, like 350€ in gift card, you can also easily sell the S5II for 1300€. It makes the upgrade for about 1900€, it still a lot of money but it is not so bad for 8K, 4K60fps, 4k 120fps with a small crop, internal raw, slightly better IBIS, in my opinion better colors and of course better photo resolution, I think it makes sense mainly for hybrid shooters heavily invested in L-mount. And it is not like there was something better for this mount. Like I said I pre-ordered mine, but if the camera is disappointing, I will go with Nikon and the Z8, like Andrew did.

Yes the 28-45mm is excellent, the rendering is nice and punchy, the contrast and colors are great, and it replaces (for me) easily a 24mm, 35mm and 50mm. This is also because of lenses like this I want to give a last chance to Panasonic with the S1RII. But I'm pessimistic. The more I see footage from the S1RII, the more I think it is more close than the S5II than the S1, S1H and S5.

Like I thought, the S1RII has not better moiré performance than the S1H : Also, I'm almost sure the S1RII still has these weird smoothed out details in video but wait and see ...

Slashcam said the S5II had a flawless and quite "cinematic" video rendering in their review. This is not true at all, the bad processing just destroy the fine details, even more in 4k. So I would take their words with a grain of salt for now. And I found very strange all these reviews showing there is still a good amount of moiré whereas in the video of hopkinsfilms the S1RII looks even better than the S1H. Also it's hard to say because of Youtube compression but I found a video from Vistek showing a comparison between the R5II and S1RII in 8K, and like on the S5II I wonder if these are not the same smoothed out details on skin texture that I can see on the S1RII. His forehead looks more blurred on the S1RII (right image). Never mind, I already pre-ordered the camera, I will compare the video engine to my S1 and S5II, but if it is close to the S5II, I will return the camera this time.

Yes, the S1 is the camera I use the most, excellent video quality, no oversharpening or smoothed out details like on the S5II. I have owned all the GH cameras, and for me the best one was the GH5 (and also the GH4). I still use the GH5 a lot. The very organic look of the Open Gate in the GH5 and the possibility to use it at 60fps is great. I was somewhat disappointed by the GH6, G9II and GH7, there is something about detail rendering I don't like, in 4K there is sometimes a lack of detail, of course the GH5 is not perfect either and still has sharpening at 0 in V-log or -5 with 709 profiles, but at least fine details are not altered. In Open gate/5,7K while there are plenty of details on the new cameras I still see a bit of bad sharpening like I on the S5II. Internal Prores raw on the GH7 fix the issue but the files are really huge, need to be recorded in V-log and there is no support for Resolve SOOC. This is why I use the GH5 most of the time with my m43 lenses, never had any issue with AF on the 10-25mm and 25-50mm in good light, can't say the same about the GH6 with low fps recording mode. Special mention to the G9II though, it is really a joy to use with the 20mm f1.7, thanks to the PDAF and the relatively lightweight of this combo.

Yes, I will test the S1RII myself before buying it this time, I saw the Slashcam.de test about the resolution in video but I'm suspicious because the same site said the S5II had a flawless and quite "cinematic" video rendering. I could said something like this for the S1 and S5, but certainly not for the S5II. Resolution is a thing, but the processing as well. However, the rolling shutter certainly not look so bad compared to the S5II(X).

I stopped to sell my gear with MPB two years ago. I had a very good experience at first, they were always serious. However, my last 2 sales have been disappointing, each time they have lowered my rating. I baby my gear and even when I sold a GX9 brand new (because I bought it with 3 lenses for a very good price), they lowered the condition to "excellent". The camera was new, with box etc ... And worse, they lowered the price of their "excellent" condition while the camera was in their warehouse. I saw some people saying MPB bought them some lenses with an "average rating" and later sold them with "excellent" rating. They recognized their lenses on the pics. I don't know if it's true but I wouldn't be surprised if it is.

Some of these youtubers use multi fake accounts on forums and L-M43-Sony rumors site to upvote themselves or downvote other people, this also allows them to have an army of virtual minions to support then even when they talk nonsense, like when the Hybridshooter said the IBIS of the A7III/A7IV was as good as on the S5/S5II. 2 years ago, he mixed up his accounts on L-rumors while responding to a guy, he quickly deleted his post, but sadly for him, someone made a screenshot before he deletes his post. Most youtubers must really be taken with a big grain of salt, even Gerald Undone who was really hard on Panasonic in the past and concentrated most of his reviews to point out the negative aspects of their cameras and lenses without talking too long about their positive sides. But for people using both Panasonic and Sony cameras , its bias was clear. However I must admit I'm a bit disappointed by Panasonic products since 2022. I use their cameras since a long time, I loved the GH4 and GH5 and I liked the S1, but everything after looked much less refined. The GH4 and GH5 had groundbreaking features and like the NX1, these cameras were ahead of their time. The GH6, althouht it had great color science, was a total failure. In Europe, the price was cut down by almost an half after only some months ... At this time they also changed their video engine making fine details in 4k looking like an oversampled 1080p, the S5II's 4k almost looked like smartphone footage, especially when using the 709 profiles and when the image was slightly underexposed leading to a waxy look when shoothing people face. I had absolutely not the feeling to use a Panasonic camera, this camera was really pointed toward influencers and smartphone users. So yes they have good IBIS and they have Open Gate, but still ... To come back about the S1RII, even if Panasonic fanboys are angry and even if they do the most they can to prove that everything is great and most flaws are not so important, the truth is this S1RII is the replacement of a 6 years old camera, and after 6 years Panasonic can't even reach the spec of the R5 from 2020 ? This is not serious, the R5 has much better rolling shutter, 8k internal raw without crop, and yet it is a camera from 2020 ! What we will get with the hypothetic S1HII ? During 6 years Panasonic used and re-used the same A7III sensor from 2018, so maybe we will just get a clone of the A7SIII ? I'm barely kidding. Now you can find the R5 for less money than the S1RII (in Europe the price of the S1RII is close to 3600€), and if you want something better, of course in spending more money, you can get the great Nikon Z8, even the cheaper Z6III looks sometimes most interesting than the new Panasonic camera. And what about the lenses, why Panasonic stopped to make new S Pro lenses since 2019 ? We only have one S Pro prime. I don't see the point to invest to the L-mount for most people at this point and the S1RII will not help. Since 2019, the wait to get a flagship camera was really too long, especially to get a camera "almost" as good cameras from 2020/2021. I'm afraid it will be a total failure like the GH6 and there is a big chance the camera will be much cheaper in some months. I hope I'm wrong. On the positive side (according to some reviews), the crunchy/smartphone looks of the S5II is not present in the S1RII, as well as the waxy skin texture. Like someone said earlier, it still can be a good upgrade from the S1 for people who are already heavily invested in the L-mount system.

I'm curious about the S9 video quality and fine details when cropping. I have the S1/S5/S5II and I really prefer the output of the S1 and S5, the S5II has weird digital sharpening and detail filtering. I think I've read somewhere the video quality of the S9 is different than the S5II (less sharpening), do you see a difference ?

Using both FF and M43 I can't agree more. I can add the other big thing making a difference is how the camera is processing details when shooting internal.

No, I never used Olympus cameras, only the f1.2 lenses. But I heard good things about their IBIS.

I would have apprecied a comparison between Open Gate and 4K with everything higher than a 8mm lens (like he did in his previous video), because saying the stabilization is the same while testing the IBIS only at this focal lenght is not serious. In my tests, both the GH6 and G9II have worse stabilization in Open Gate with lenses > at 15mm, more jumps. I understand he likes Panasonic a lot but owning all the recent Panasonic cameras, I can say it's a very oriented comparison to makes people believe the camera has no flaws. In the same way, all these youtubers almost never compare the video IQ (details rendering) between 4K/6K/Open Gate or between the recent and the "old" gen Panasonic cameras, and yet there is a lot to be said. Each time we need to compare the cameras ourselves or wait the impression of people who bought the camera themselve.

And I love how influencers try to hide cameras shortcomings, like when testing the IBIS only in certain conditions. Comparing the Open Gate and 4K IBIS performance while walking at 8mm only and saying there is no difference between these recording modes is a real joke.

Why there is so much crop in C4K Prores RAW ? I never liked the 4K/C4K output over the 5,7K on my GH6 and G9II, the fine details are different. I wonder if the huge crop in proresraw and the worse quality in 4K H265/ProresHQ are related.

I agree, I have the 10-25mm and 25-50mm, both are fantastic and they have very good AF on the GH5 (better than on the GH6 when using 1 zone focus). I also have the S Pro 24-70mm and 70-200mm f2.8, but I mostly use the M43 lenses. I want them for my Panasonic S cameras !

I think the OG S5 and the S1 still have the best video quality with very similar image than a raw picture file, as opposed to the recent cameras like the S5II. Even if the S5II has better IBIS in 4K, and much better AF, these S5 and S1 are a steal for people who don't need very fast AF.

If you really picky about image quality, the S9 (if it has the same IQ than the S5II) has not the same video quality than the S5. Each time I crop inside the videos of my S5II, I remember how good the S5 is. Some people don't see the difference in image quality, but the difference on skin textures by exemple is not insignificant. If the S9 has the same video IQ than the S5 and the same AF than the S5II, I will buy it for sure.

The Panasonic S5 for me. Better internal video quality than the S5II and not as big as the S1 and S1H. Of course the S5II has better AF, but I can't stand the internal video engine of this camera. The GH6 when using 5,7K ProRes is a good alternative too.

Yes, you're right. This is the first thing I noticed when I bought my S5II. Coming from the S5, S1 and even GH5, I'm very disappointed by their new processing. V-Log is less impacted but when I compare the 4K V-Log of my S1 and S5 to my S5II, I can see a difference when cropping a bit, details are rougher on the S5II. Panasonic is well know for its great image quality, I don't know why they did this on the S5II, maybe to attract smartphone users.

I agree, I want the NR setting since the beginning =).

Yes better low light and better IQ.

It not just you, it's obvious ! I don't understand why Panasonic have released a little camera faster and with better IQ video than the GH4 with 12-35mm combinaison for just 900$. Many people are in the process of reselling their GH4 or at least their 12-35 now. Moreover, their prices are dropping ...

Interesting, Panasonic should lower the 12-35mm price now.