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Right on. Also in terms of dynamic range - that's also interpretive - one person's level of acceptable noise is another person's not acceptable level. Like the whole Red Dragon fiasco. They showed a chart before it came out that had the camera I think at 16 or 17 stops of dynamic range. Alexa is around 14 stops. And then when people got it, I think they found it was more like 12 or 13. But yes, I think the DB16 to me, has more pleasing skintones than the Red Dragon stuff. I find the dragon stuff to have a BEIGE look like that video Phil Holland shot. I find that when I grade. With that said, like Mattius, I much more prefer the look of the red one mx's skintones. But like Mattius, I own a bunch of cameras, and once I own them, I get bored of their image and crave another camera. Then I get that camera and miss the older one and buy the older one. Then I do tests, and go, "opps." and then have to sell the older one. Or now I just, when I have that urge, I rent. Or just learn to love the flaws and all of my current camera. Man, I need therapy

videos are so nice Mattias! Thanks for sharing. Free video, so thank you - but still One thing is to record BMCC with raw, not log. And also just literally a person's face and a color chart. motion test - that is what is nice from the DB again, though, the hard part, is the dynamic range and sensitivity of the camera. I no doubt believe the DB16 probably looks nicer than the BMPC in skintone and motion, but loses with dynamic range and sensitivity. And for some, that's fine. But as a A or B camera for me, where I am mostly working at 400 ASA or 800 ASA light levels where I need 12 stops of dynamic range a lot of times, this is challenging.

Having to use the bmpc probably cause of low light capabilities

I had the camera for a day and did tests and I rated it at 200 ASA, 400 ASA gets pretty noisy. 800 ASA to me was way too noisy. I'm not a fan of noise reduction post tools, even though they are amazing - but I rather have a camera that's cleaner. With that said, yes the color is really beautiful and its motion is beautiful, but I really think you could get there with the BMPCC. I don't know for sure, but I would want to test side by side. I have some of that DB16 test footage, I should recolor it. I did a test with it but I graded it terribly. And just from all my experience with the Sony F35 which is a 400 ASA camera.... having a 200 ASA camera is not super easy to use - especially if you guys like to run and gun. Even if you are shooting narrative. Especially if you have night exteriors or low-light scenes. And I like the Ikonscope - with 12 stops of dynamic range, or 11 stops, it's difficult to use this. And having only CINEMA DNG just burns up disk sapce. For a lot of stuff, when you don't have a data wrangler, this is tough on production. Just sayin'. I really think doing a comparison with the BMPCC and the Bolex first, before dropping $5000 or so on it. One last thing - I think what people are noticing from DB16 footage is that there is a less of it. And those who use it are more artistic than just everyone who uses the BMPCC. So they do better coloring, frames, composition. They use film grain in post, noise reduction. So that's why all these clips look so beautiful. There's also a lot of clips on vimeo that don't look good. So just rent the camera from lensrentals.com and do some tests. That's what I did, and that thing went back immediately.

I think that db stuff looks great. My other issue now that i remember is that i rated it at 200 asa. Which makes sense cause its basically the same sensor as the ikonscope d16 made a few years before. And has the same feel really. Also it felt like 11 stops if usable dynamic range to me.

It just looks like the DB is going to break at any second, that it's some fischer price kickstarter invention. I don't know if the BM micro is out yet.

Looking at the new Pocket camera and thinking it would be great on a 3-axis gimbal. Anyway have experience with the Came-TV Single or the Nebula or the H+ - I'm reading mixed things on all of them. Is there a better one, besides the Ronin-M or Movi-M - something that is small and good. Assume it's all just a compromise.

that stuff all looks great, but I still think they could get that with the BMPCC. We are seeing beautiful grade and the lenses. I don't know how much of a difference - has someone shot test charts with both to see. Doesn't the form factor of the camera scare everyone - I guess if you just put it on rails then it's okay

Wow that stuff looks amazing! I for one, couldn't get over the form factor of the Digital Bolex. But those images are incredible! the other BMPCCCCCC stuff - the original looks beautiful too! Of course, there's also a lot of stuff shot on both cameras that doesn't look as good. Put a camera in the right hands.... but it's good to see its full potential. I still think the Digital Bolex had a really bizarre form factor and the monitor was horrible on it. And the original pocket camera - same thing - bad monitor and bad battery life, but seemed to be better in low light. The new pocket is going to be a pretty amazing, small, sneaky camera.

Man that is gorgeous!!!

Awesome test Geoff did - try to guess the lens. Some are $70,000 glass, some are $600 glass. http://cinematography.net/CML-CMIR-Lens-Tests.html Also great article on clinincal glass look vs round - http://yannickkhong.com/blog/2016/2/23/the-problem-with-modern-optics Partly why I love the Leica R glass so much.

Here's a court document of the Cushnie female discrimination lawsuit that was originally filed in 2009: http://law.justia.com/cases/new-york/other-courts/2011/2011-ny-slip-op-33861-u.html The lawsuit was thrown out. Interesting how the press doesn't report on that. Come on, PR guy, doing your job for you

Actually, I am even more adamant about siding with the workers, especially after one person posted the history of lawsuits they settled on worker discrimination. So B&H settled in 2007 for $4.3 million. Also the Feb case, B&H tried to settle, and the Labor Department refused. They are going to trial. That's a big deal. That means the Labor department knows they are going to win. What happened to the 2009 trial? Well seems like it was thrown out and B&H won that one. http://law.justia.com/cases/new-york/other-courts/2011/2011-ny-slip-op-33861-u.html And now we have the Feb 2016 case. This is telling, in that, he is stating that the allegations are unproven, and yet they already wanted to settle with the department of labor, and have a history of lawsuits that they have settled. 2011 and 2016 have new lawsuits. 2007 wasn't that long ago. $4.3 million dollars back then against discrimination against Hispanic workers. And zero proof of women being in executive positions. The eagerness for workers to unionize. All these things point me towards siding with the workers.

I gotta use that degree somehow. ☺ yep america used to be 75 percent rural until around after world war one.

Well, how did the French stop the train of monarchy? They revolted. Now where is monarchy? Communism was an attempt to stop the train of capitalism, but it put in another corrupt system of government more aligned to dictatorship. Now we have a corporate-oligarchy where human life is irrelevant. Where rich people make more just on their interest than by attempting to do business. And that's the issue I see - rich people are just sitting on their investments, and have great advisors working on their portfolios. Are they consciously evil? No, I don't think many people are. I don't even think the Koch brothers see themselves at that - they see themselves as great businessmen. But it requires enough voices to call them out either through political change, as has been the dominant driving force of American politics since the 60's with the black, woman, and gay political revolutions, or via violence, like the the 1960 black movement. I don't know if violence will happen nowadays. It's possible - occasionally we get things like the Bundy guys in Oregon, but the difference now is there is welfare and basic medical care for the poor. In essence the superrich have it pretty much locked down. I see the only way to change the course of the world is to affect the richest people's youth - those who are still impressionable. That's why I give money to Habitat for Humanity and ASP - Appalachia Service Project - helping teenagers rebuild houses in poor areas in the South and others. This exposes rich kids to poverty for the first time, up close. On a ladder, on a roof, under a building. This was a turning point in my ideology - the first time I escaped my bubble of Connecticut to see how the world really is. This is when I probably started to become conscious of it all.

Unions, although flawed, cause they are run by humans, which are, like all of us, flawed, are perhaps one of the few innovations of the past two hundred years to prevent exploitation of workers. They exist in places, because they are needed. The reverse are countries like China, where they do not care at all for worker's safety, and workers will literally sleep at a job site. I was offered a job shooting a feature over there were it was 7-days straight for 16 hours a day, for a month. When I asked for a day off or two, they said that was standard working in China. Sorry to hear about your back. That must have been horrible.

I have 2 red one mx. W ssd its pretty reliable. But they dont support them. If it dies on you in the field...thats it. The joystiq on one of mine fell off and broke. They wouldnt help. I had to 3d print it With that said it has xlr hd sdi...and the image is really pretty So you get what you pay for. Just be aware that it may become a 8k brick.

Actually yes (and sorry because I have a BA in anthropology) - this was how the majority of the world operated for roughly 70,000 years. There was no farming. There were no lords or slaves. We lived tribal-based. And we worked 20 hours about a week. The world of today is based on the simple fact that life became unsustainable with the increasing population growth. Not enough nuts on the ground. Hunting animals was actually more done recreationally, as it wasn't easy back then with rudimentary tools to hunt down animals that are faster than us and stronger than us. Agriculture started because of the population increase. This is when different structures of society formed. In China, it was more a rent-based farming structure. Rice was the main crop. You would have your own rice paddies, and give a cut to the person who owned the land. In Europe, it was feudal. Most people were serfs. You worked for a king. The world of today is run primarily by the military-industrial complex, as president Eisenhauer mentioned. Our lives are dictated by those who have the biggest guns (nuclear weapons) and the most money (corporations). We can't ever go back to Hunting/Gathering. There are simply too many people and not enough resources. It's this world we were born into. We can choose to run and participate in our countries in a fair and just way, such as many European countries and Australia/New Zealand, or side more with the USA, Russia, and China, which run their countries based on fear.

Actually it's not that hard to say - a lot of anthropologists have studied this subject very thoroughly. The last tribe that lived this way is the !Kung. There was a very famous documentary about this - one of my favorite docs of all time.

Just look at videos shot with both and specs and then if possible rent and play w raw footage from both. Each has a different motion cadence and skintone handling dunamic range etc. Its up to your taste. And of course price out media lcd etc to see cost. If bm is cheaper and that gets you other stuff you can buy like a nicer lens then that maybe something to think about too.

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What is everyones now that cameras are so light sensative? Mine is a joker 800 hmi, kino 2x4, 2 litepanel astra lights, some rifa lights and some dedolights and a literibbon. This with a bunch of grip and a 4x8 beadboard gets me through quite a few setups. Let me know what everyone elses is.

and we weren't always living this way. We lived 70,000 years or more as hunter gatherers. A time where the average work week was about 20 to 30 hours. And men and women were equal. We've only lived in a land of exploitation for about i think 3000 years. A blip compared to 70000 years.

That's great. That's something I wish I could do more. It takes more effort to buy ethically, but it's worth it for the sustainability of our global society. Another question that was asked, "what are the ethical decisions based on the resources needed to create these electronics?" For me, it's difficult, but I guess, my solution is to buy used. I especially do this with clothes. So many clothes are made each year, and there are so many used clothes that are completely fine. It's not like "new" clothes are "new" anyway - the amount of people who try them on at the store, and the hands touching them. With camera and lights, producers especially do not care if the product is new or not. As soon as it's taken out of its case and tested by you, it's used.

Yes, the list of violations go back pretty far. To reform is only possible if there is an admittance of wrongdoing. Per the PR representative posting on here, this does not seem to be happening. And that's probably not the smartest position to take, I think. I think, the elephant in the room, that the PR department can't talk about, is that there is a reason for B&H's insanely low prices, when compared to every other camera and photo retailer. Even while they have Friday to Sunday AM off each week, in essence cutting 2 extra shopping days off, and a long list of holidays. And that is probably cutting corners on employee wages and building conditions, amongst other things. The Walmart and Amazon way. My question for people on here is, would you shop more ethic-consciously if it cost more, but at the same time gave a more customized experience with a sales member who personally analyzes your order and recommends additional accessories that you may have forgotten?